Hyundai Sante Fe timing belt gone - new engine!

dillons

Hi,
I have a 2008 diesel 4WD automatic Hyundai Sante Fe with 174K KM. I bought it with 98k KM on it in July 2011. I have had it regularly serviced since I have owned it, not in the main Hyundai garage but in a local garage, fairly big establishment does tyres and servicing.
Last week the timing belt went and it was towed to the Hyundai garage, they have phoned to say it needs a new engine which will be 3.5 4K for a reconditioned engine! I'm not even sure if that includes their labour! I feel sick!
Should the garage who have been servicing it not have advised that the timing belt needed to be replaced?? it was last serviced 2 months ago!! Is it even worth calling that garage???

Thanks for advise

Nissan doctor

The garage should certainly have recommended it to to you or at least checked with you when it was done last but ultimatly, its your responsibility to have your maintenance done on schedual. The timing belt change interval on those is 150k. Being an 08 car I'd be sure that the instruction/service books are still with it.

On the new engine point....I'd says that the the normal main dealer 'replace rather then repair' attitude.

Unless you where at very high speed/rpm when the belt broke, a repair would likely be a vastly cheaper option.

searay

dillons wrote: »

Hi,
I have a 2008 diesel 4WD automatic Hyundai Sante Fe with 174K KM. I bought it with 98k KM on it in July 2011. I have had it regularly serviced since I have owned it, not in the main Hyundai garage but in a local garage, fairly big establishment does tyres and servicing.
Last week the timing belt went and it was towed to the Hyundai garage, they have phoned to say it needs a new engine which will be 3.5 4K for a reconditioned engine! I'm not even sure if that includes their labour! I feel sick!
Should the garage who have been servicing it not have advised that the timing belt needed to be replaced?? it was last serviced 2 months ago!! Is it even worth calling that garage???

Thanks for advise

Never thought I'd be posting about car repairs but spotted your post and I had a similar experience with the same model. The timing belt is due to be checked at 125,000km per manual. I heard a knocking noise from my engine at 110,000km and stopped. The timing belt hadn't gone but the rollers had and that was a safety mechanism to get you to stop. The rollers and belt had to be repaired and cost €1400 all in.

I was told of similar instances where the damage was severe and cost a lot more to repair but the price you quoted sounds very high.

I was only 2 months out of warranty and tried to get some contribution out of Hyundai but got nowhere. Won't be buying another Hyundai.

Did you get it serviced with a main dealer?

Bearcat

I have heard horrendous stories of the Santa fe's.....

To the OP.....caveat emptor and all that. No point in sticking the knife in more but the 1st thing you should have done was change the timing belt.
I would definitely tell the garage of your implosion and ask them why did they not advise you to do same. 4k out of anyone's pocket now approaching Xmas is a mare.

dillons

Just an update on this and a question re timing belt. Haven't done anything with it yet & debating whether to go ahead with new engine or not. Is there a market to sell as is anyone know?
Also am I right in thinking if the timing belt went the car woould have stopped? It's still driving... with a knocking noise from the engine but still driving!

edited to add: I'm not actually driving it since... it's parked up!

ZENER

Still driving ? Did the garage replace the belt ? Seems implausible that a car with a snapped timing belt would run at all !! Maybe you got the same warning searay got a couple of post up ?

Ken

colm_mcm

dillons wrote: »

Just an update on this and a question re timing belt. Haven't done anything with it yet & debating whether to go ahead with new engine or not. Is there a market to sell as is anyone know?
Also am I right in thinking if the timing belt went the car woould have stopped? It's still driving... with a knocking noise from the engine but still driving!

You wouldn't be driving if the belt was gone

Don't drive it

krissovo

Unless your car defies the laws of physics then it cannot drive without the belt.

dillons

garage told me timing belt gone but def still driving, it was towed to garage but was starting & driving!
Perhaps it's as searay said and not actually quite gone yet but is it likely that it did the level of damage to engine that they're saying if it's not actually snapped? saying damage so extensive that it needs a new engine

colm_mcm

Get a second opinion,

langdang

colm_mcm wrote: »

Get a second opinion,

And don't drive it or drive only if you absolutely have to until you are told it is OK to drive it!
(I know you said it already colm, just reinforcing it for the OP!)

dillons

Thanks, yeah I'm leaning towards a second opinion alright but would mean getting it towed from the garage that it's currently in... more expense!

colm_mcm

dillons wrote: »

Thanks, yeah I'm leaning towards a second opinion alright but would mean getting it towed from the garage that it's currently in... more expense!

Main dealer is gonna cost you way more either way, much more than the cost of a tow.

TOOYOUNGTODIE

My father drives a 2008 Santa fe. 2.2, He did the timing belt at 110,000 km and it went at 180,000 km.

Our local garage took a look, the engine has rockers designed to break if timing goes.
Dads santa fe broke 4 of the 8 rockers, he replaced all eight. new timing belt and water pump, cost 750 all in. Its driving perfectly now

MidlandsM

OP, you're looking at 2k for a replacement 2nd hand engine for one of those, plus labour to fit.

CJhaughey

A good friends Santa Fe timing belt slipped a tooth at motorway speed, the end result was one side of the rocker arms were bent, the engine still ran but poorly.
The advice given above by Tooyoungtodie is good, get it out of the Main dealers and into a good independent garage that can replace the rocker arms and not cost you a fortune.

dillons

MidlandsM wrote: »

OP, you're looking at 2k for a replacement 2nd hand engine for one of those, plus labour to fit.

Can't source a 2nd hand engine. Garage quoting in the region of 3.5K + VAT for a reconditioned one

Idbatterim

for engine try ebay.co.uk. if you require shipping, try shiply.com I paid E60 for tow truck the other day. Id get it out of main dealer asap, they are going to opt for the easiest option for them and the costliest for you. Get a good independent to have look, once exact problem is diagnosed, you can shop around for quotes. Your talking fairly major money here, so worth doing some research and investing some time. I had reconditioned starter motor fitted to my E46 325ci the other day E40 for the part including courier from ebay and E75 for labour, simply because i put some effort and time in, could have spend triple to quadruple this if i didnt...

MidlandsM

dillons wrote: »

Can't source a 2nd hand engine. Garage quoting in the region of 3.5K + VAT for a reconditioned one

of course you can ...


http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/HYUNDAI-SANTA-FE-STYLE-2-2-CRDI-2010-D4HB-AU-ENGINE-BREAKING-PARTS-/360506637126?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item53efdebb46

CJhaughey

I wouldn't say that your engine is completely shot, it could just be valvetrain damage which is repairable at a pretty reasonable cost.
It could be head damage which will obviously cost more but both jobs can be done with the engine in situ and that saves a fortune in labour cost.
If the engine is starting and running then I'd nearly bet the repair cost won;t be anything like the cost of buying and fitting a recon.

101sean

I'm with CJ and others on this, get the belt and pulleys replaced along with the sacrificial rocker arms, the rest of the engine is most likely fine. If the engine is still running, the belt hasn't gone but either jumped a tooth or pulleys have failed (or both)

Take it to someone who knows what they are talking about but don't drive it there!

dillons

Thanks for all the replies & I will certainly look on eBay, I had checked a number of UK sites but didn't think of eBay!

Just an update, I spoke to the garage and they are saying that from their initial basic visual inspection this is the damage they can see:

timing belt broke
bent valves on top of head
valves came out through top of rocker cover

He added that when you see valves out through rocker cover it usually means piston damage and new engine.

We are seeking a 2nd opinion and will take it from there but def won't be opting for main dealer stripping engine to assess further as labour costs too high, if we go down that road it would be with an independent garage at half the labour cost.

Anyone any opinion on whether that's a fair/accurate assessment of need for new engine/piston damage based on valves coming out through top of rocker cover?

Thanks again, appreciate all the feedback and advise

MidlandsM

dillons wrote: »

Thanks for all the replies & I will certainly look on eBay, I had checked a number of UK sites but didn't think of eBay!

Just an update, I spoke to the garage and they are saying that from their initial basic visual inspection this is the damage they can see:

timing belt broke
bent valves on top of head
valves came out through top of rocket cover

He added that when you see valves out through rocket cover it usually means piston damage and new engine.

We are seeking a 2nd opinion and will take it from there but def won't be opting for main dealer stripping engine to assess further as labour costs too high, if we go down that road it would be with an independent garage at half the labour cost.

Anyone any opinion on whether that's a fair/accurate assessment of need for new engine/piston damage based on valves coming out through top of rocket cover?

Thanks again, appreciate all the feedback and advise

yeah, the pistons will be damaged now then.....its toast if thats the case.

krissovo

Something does not add up, with the damage they describe there is zero chance the engine will run. However you say that the engine will run which is a little fishy.

Wait for the second opinion

lifer_sean

krissovo wrote: »

Something does not add up, with the damage they describe there is zero chance the engine will run. However you say that the engine will run which is a little fishy.

Wait for the second opinion

+1

how can the engine be running (even badly) with a broken timing belt ????

searay

TOOYOUNGTODIE wrote: »

My father drives a 2008 Santa fe. 2.2, He did the timing belt at 110,000 km and it went at 180,000 km.

Our local garage took a look, the engine has rockers designed to break if timing goes.
Dads santa fe broke 4 of the 8 rockers, he replaced all eight. new timing belt and water pump, cost 750 all in. Its driving perfectly now

This is the same work that I had carried out by a main dealer and paid €1400 for.

I'd suggest you PM Tooyoungtodie for details of that garage and get a second opinion from them.

Bruthal

lifer_sean wrote: »

+1

how can the engine be running (even badly) with a broken timing belt ????

It cant with a broken belt. It can not run at all with the belt gone off the pulleys.

Waterson

Does sound like dealer might be mistaken if the engine is still running. If the belt failed and the piston forced a valve up into the rocker assembly its highly unlikely that the engine would even start let alone run...

Bruthal

Waterson wrote: »

Does sound like dealer might be mistaken if the engine is still running. If the belt failed and the piston forced a valve up into the rocker assembly its highly unlikely that the engine would even start let alone run...

With no belt on the pulleys (broken belt), an engine simply cant start, even if somehow undamaged. No question of it being unlikely. Its not possible.

With a belt jumping a tooth, they can run, badly.

Nissan doctor

Also, with any broken or damaged valves or rockers then engine could not run as there would be very little or no compression.

Second opinion with question IMO.

dillons

When I questioned the broken timing belt I was told that it was jumping a tooth
2nd opinion on the way, will update when I know more.

dillons

finally an update! 2nd opinion recommended doing some work on engine so... 1 rocker was replaced and some welding repair to engine cover along with new timing belt & jeep is running perfectly for 1300 +VAT
There is some minor damage to the camshaft that may rear it's head in the future but OK for now, have been quoted a further 800 +VAT if camshaft does need to be replaced.

Thanks to everyone for input & advise!

road_high

Good for you OP. Still not nice but a damn sight better than 3-4k eh?!!

Bruthal

mfitzy wrote: »

Good for you OP. Still not nice but a damn sight better than 3-4k eh?!!

And its also good to see the real problems fixed.

Had the OP went with the original repair options, then they would have assumed/believed the diagnosis was correct, because the car would be running after the unnecessary engine replacement.

MidlandsM

good on you op!

monstermag

TOOYOUNGTODIE wrote: »

My father drives a 2008 Santa fe. 2.2, He did the timing belt at 110,000 km and it went at 180,000 km.

Our local garage took a look, the engine has rockers designed to break if timing goes.
Dads santa fe broke 4 of the 8 rockers, he replaced all eight. new timing belt and water pump, cost 750 all in. Its driving perfectly now

Hi there, I just spotted ur post while I was looking for help with broken timing belt , l have a 2008 sante fe, bought it from garage, timing belt was supposed to have been done, it's even written on engine (2015) so I was happy enough to buy it, thinking I would get a good bit of milage out of it before changing it again, turns out i only got around 5000km and just 1000km over warranty., do l have any come back with the garage? I have it at another garage as its closer to me (different counties) didn't know it was broke until garage told me, should I tell mechanic to hold of on stripping it until I get reply from garage where I bought it, I rang them but slow in getting back to me.
Also interested in hearing about rocker system u described, very good news for me if it's the same with my model, are all Santa fe models designed the same? My current mechanic didn't mention it, I will tell him tomorrow, is it something he'll spot when stripping down engine. Does the rocker system guarantee the engine has been saved from the worst possible damage?
I know ur post is old, but hope u can help.