Bord Bia Bonus

Tomjim

I am selling cattle next week in the factory. My quality Assurance is out a few weeks maybe months and they have not yet come to revisit.

Will I get the bonus in the factory even though the QA has lapsed

bob charles

Tomjim wrote: »

I am selling cattle next week in the factory. My quality Assurance is out a few weeks maybe months and they have not yet come to revisit.

Will I get the bonus in the factory even though the QA has lapsed

no

FixItAginTomora

If the expiry date has gone passed then you wont get the bonus, it comes up on the factory system if you are QA or not as far as I know.

Make sure they have your correct phone number because the inspector tries you a few times and cant make contact, then the letter gets re-issued. As far as I know when you get the letter, it is due for renewal soon so I assume there is some window there to get re-audited.

If there is undue delay and you urgently need to send cattle to factory, I'd be making contact with your previous auditor to double check things.

mossiemag

Hi Lads


Can anyone tell me what exactly the QA bonus is worth. I'm not Bord Bia approved.
For example if i send a 600kgs heifer to the mart and she kills out at 330kgs, then how much extra would i get? Some told me 40cent a kilo? But that sound like a lot?

Any help appreciated.

MayoSalmon

mossiemag wrote: »

Hi Lads


Can anyone tell me what exactly the QA bonus is worth. I'm not Bord Bia approved.
For example if i send a 600kgs heifer to the mart and she kills out at 330kgs, then how much extra would i get? Some told me 40cent a kilo? But that sound like a lot?

Any help appreciated.

Google is your friend

http://www.bordbia.ie/industry/farmers/pricetracking/cattle/pages/default.aspx

epfff

mossiemag wrote: »

Hi Lads


Can anyone tell me what exactly the QA bonus is worth. I'm not Bord Bia approved.
For example if i send a 600kgs heifer to the mart and she kills out at 330kgs, then how much extra would i get? Some told me 40cent a kilo? But that sound like a lot?

Any help appreciated.

If yo send her to the mart it makes no differences
It's worth 12 cent in factory
But most factories won't touch non qa farners so your options are limited where you go if not qa

mossiemag

Thanks, need to take to my dealer so.

If i sell them in mart. How long does the buyer need to keep them in his name before he can send them to factory and qualify for QA. Or can he send them straight away?

MfMan

mossiemag wrote: »

Thanks, need to take to my dealer so.

If i sell them in mart. How long does the buyer need to keep them in his name before he can send them to factory and qualify for QA. Or can he send them straight away?

Usually 70 days. There must be no more than 2 or 3 (bit of grey area this depending on where you sell to) movements on the animal. Animal must be on or under 30 months by date of bringing to factory, so it's a good idea if you're selling in the mart to ensure that the animal is at the very least 70 days away from being the 30 months. Could be worth a little bit more to the seller if so.

oldjeep

I am having 2nd audit soon , what should I expect? any tips would be great. I am 13 years building lim. herd of good quality suclers and it is very sad price wise. It is difficult to see a future in this set up. I would try to make contact as advised before you make any move on selling, mart is ok for stores but cattle fit to kill, you may be scarce on buyers at the mart.

mossiemag

oldjeep wrote: »

I am having 2nd audit soon , what should I expect? any tips would be great. I am 13 years building lim. herd of good quality suclers and it is very sad price wise. It is difficult to see a future in this set up. I would try to make contact as advised before you make any move on selling, mart is ok for stores but cattle fit to kill, you may be scarce on buyers at the mart.

Yes that's the issue i would have. At the moment i estimate them (CHA & LIM Heifers) to be near 470 to 500kgs. Come October they should be near 600kgs i hope. It wouldn't take much then to finish them. As you say there might be little interest for them at the mart at that weight.
I have never sent cattle to the factory before. But i would hope that based on breed and conformation that the factory would have some interest in them, even if not QA.

Farmer Pudsey

QA bonus is worth 12c/kg on O= or better cattle on FS2+ to 4-/4= . However non QA cattle are now often penalised by 15-20c/kg. Along with that HE and AA schemes require cattle to be QA this can often be worth another 10+c/kg. Finally cattle that go over 30 months are discounted another 10-15c/kg at present..

In reality QA is worth about 20-25c/kg minimum. A HE or AA bullock that goes over age and owner is not QA could get paid 50+c/kg less than a QA owner of underage AA and HE cattle.

larrymiller

Lads when your bringing in aa or he do you automatically get the scheme bonus or Is there something extra to be done?

mossiemag

Farmer Pudsey wrote: »

QA bonus is worth 12c/kg on O= or better cattle on FS2+ to 4-/4= . However non QA cattle are now often penalised by 15-20c/kg. Along with that HE and AA schemes require cattle to be QA this can often be worth another 10+c/kg. Finally cattle that go over 30 months are discounted another 10-15c/kg at present..

In reality QA is worth about 20-25c/kg minimum. A HE or AA bullock that goes over age and owner is not QA could get paid 50+c/kg less than a QA owner of underage AA and HE cattle.

As im not QA approved or involved the aa/he scheme. In that case all i can go off is the base rate? In my case no bonus will be applied but i might get penalised. I am i correct?

larrymiller

mossiemag wrote: »

As im not QA approved or involved the aa/he scheme. In that case all i can go off is the base rate? In my case no bonus will be applied but i might get penalised. I am i correct?

I say the factories won't want non qa stuff so id guess you'd get penalised.

In fairness the qa audit is handy

Mad4simmental

larrymiller wrote: »

Lads when your bringing in aa or he do you automatically get the scheme bonus or Is there something extra to be done?

They have to be as or aax, he or hex on card. Call the aa and he club/sceam whitch ever they are called pay a small fee to join (a few cattel on the bones will pay for that) and that's it as far as I am aware. Open to correction on that.

Also I'm fairly sure they have a lad in the factory to make sure it is a aa or he.

mossiemag

larrymiller wrote: »

I say the factories won't want non qa stuff so id guess you'd get penalised.

In fairness the qa audit is handy

Might look into that so. The only concern inspection wise is. I keep my stock bedded in straw over the winter. I don't have a dung pit with a floor for the dung. i basically make a heap of it at the back of the shed. Old style. Would that be an issue. Animal welfare wise everything is in good order.

mossiemag

Mad4simmental wrote: »

They have to be as or aax, he or hex on card. Call the aa and he club/sceam whitch ever they are called pay a small fee to join (a few cattel on the bones will pay for that) and that's it as far as I am aware. Open to correction on that.

Also I'm fairly sure they have a lad in the factory to make sure it is a aa or he.

Do you not need to supply at least 50 head a year to qualify?

larrymiller

mossiemag wrote: »

Might look into that so. The only concern inspection wise is. I keep my stock bedded in straw over the winter. I don't have a dung pit with a floor for the dung. i basically make a heap of it at the back of the shed. Old style. Would that be an issue. Animal welfare wise everything is in good order.

I'm something the same, in straw shed, I can't do anything until January then I clean out and draw to the dung heap.

Also I've never been inspected in the winter only summer.
Main thing he looked at was my crush.
Medicine store
Safety statement
Herd book
Checked tags matched blue cards etc
Meal receipts

larrymiller

Mad4simmental wrote: »

They have to be as or aax, he or hex on card. Call the aa and he club/sceam whitch ever they are called pay a small fee to join (a few cattel on the bones will pay for that) and that's it as far as I am aware. Open to correction on that.

Also I'm fairly sure they have a lad in the factory to make sure it is a aa or he.

Slaney meats have sent me out letters in the post to send them he or aa cattle, it's something I must look into as I will have around 45 fit to kill

rangler1

larrymiller wrote: »

Slaney meats have sent me out letters in the post to send them he or aa cattle, it's something I must look into as I will have around 45 fit to kill

The bord bia rep in Italy was saying it was easier get a premium price for aa and Hereford there, charolais limousine etc were competing with polish beef which is nearer to €3kg now. There was a premium for Parthenais too

oldjeep

Do not think of sending cattle to the factory if not quality assured, it is called rape what will happen price wise, go back and contact qa. again, I was talking to friend and the same happened to him and when he contacted them they were very fair with him. Good luck.

Mad4simmental

mossiemag wrote: »

Do you not need to supply at least 50 head a year to qualify?

I'm not sure to be honist, we are qa but not in the aa or he, don't have any only a few aa running with main herd. I'm just going off what other people told me. I'd say they are worth a call anyway you never know.

nhg

Hard to know if this Bord Bia Bonus is worth it at all... Hard to finish continentals under 30mths even on good grass and nuts for 6 weeks +...

Trying to decide to let them off before they reach the 30 months (2 gone this morning, I would prefer a bit more flesh on them) or let them finish properly and let them off when they are ready...

Guessing game really...

case885

Not as relevant, but AA bulls have to be be under 18 months to qualify for 10c/kg bonus.