The truth about Israel/Palestine

thiarfearr

In this video Danny Ayalon explains the Israel-Palestinian conflict, cutting through the bs that appears in the western media sympathetic to the Palestinian propaganda. What do you think? Certainly seems to be an anti-Israel bias in most western media, especially in Ireland

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGYxLWUKwWo

stuar

thiarfearr wrote: »

In this video Danny Ayalon explains the Israel-Palestinian conflict, cutting through the bs that appears in the western media sympathetic to the Palestinian propaganda. What do you think? Certainly seems to be an anti-Israel bias in most western media, especially in Ireland

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGYxLWUKwWo

Sorry I can't watch your video, I'm on a laptop with flash player installed.

But anything explained by Danny would be one sided biased bullsh!t.

Daniel "Danny" Ayalon (Hebrew: דניאל "דני" אילון‎, born 17 December 1955) is an Israeli diplomat and politician who currently serves as Deputy Foreign Minister and as a member of the Knesset for Yisrael Beiteinu. Formerly he served as Israeli Ambassador to the United States from 2002 until 2006. He frequently writes in Israeli and international newspapers, notably in the Jerusalem Post and the Wall Street Journal.

By the way what is the conspiracy?, and by the way it's the world media that reports these truths, and the western media actually waters down attrocities carried out by Israel if anything.

Edit:
And incase you don't know Israel have ways of hampering any news getting out:
Silencing the Truth: Media Center in Gaza targeted by Israel
http://www.globalresearch.ca/silencing-the-truth-media-center-in-gaza-targetted-by-israel/5312228

charlemont

The man may be legally correct but not morally correct, He leaves outs any mention of the people living there when it was in the Ottoman Empire.

Tzar Chasm

now THATS how you Shill bullsnit

gbee

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

now THATS how you Shill bullsnit

Grand, I'd happily follow a rebuttle.

thiarfearr

stuar wrote: »

By the way what is the conspiracy?

That western media is unfairly biased against Israel and in favour of Palestine. Especially in Ireland.

Here's another good video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZY8m0cm1oY

Several offers of a two state solution since the 30's all refused by the Arab side who instead attacked the Jews, including UN/League of Nations mandated plans. Occupation of West Bank and Gaza by Arab nations and the treatment of Palestinians in those countries even now is rarely mentioned. You rarely see the fact that Arabs living in Israel have more rights than people in most other Middle East nations mentioned.

Brown Bomber

thiarfearr wrote: »

That western media is unfairly biased against Israel and in favour of Palestine. Especially in Ireland.

Here's another good video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZY8m0cm1oY

Several offers of a two state solution since the 30's all refused by the Arab side who instead attacked the Jews, including UN/League of Nations mandated plans. Occupation of West Bank and Gaza by Arab nations and the treatment of Palestinians in those countries even now is rarely mentioned. You rarely see the fact that Arabs living in Israel have more rights than people in most other Middle East nations mentioned.

Your attempts at rewriting history would actually be humourous if the lunatic state you are defending wasn't killing innocent people trapped like animals in an open-air concentration camp because the animals aren't "chosen" enough.

cynik

A better video is "The Zionist Story" that provides historical background on the current conflict.

It's very similar to situation we witnessed in South Africa where the minority whites didn't want to share power or be ruled by the indigenous population.

Palestinians have been made refugees in their own land by foreigners.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wA1lDow-0rk

Zionism is a racist/fascist ideology and the world would be much better off without it.

thiarfearr

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Your attempts at rewriting history would actually be humourous if the lunatic state you are defending wasn't killing innocent people trapped like animals in an open-air concentration camp because the animals aren't "chosen" enough.

My impression was that they were shelling targets in Gaza in retaliation for repeated rocket attacks by Hamas on civilians in Israel

cynik

thiarfearr wrote:

My impression was that they were shelling targets in Gaza in retaliation for repeated rocket attacks by Hamas on civilians in Israel

Not surprisingly, the international media in their coverage of the latest violence failed to mention Israel broke the truce by making an incursion into Gaza on November 8th.

Hostilities between Palestinian armed groups and Israel have escalated since an Israeli military incursion on November 8 that left a 13-year-old Palestinian boy dead, followed by a Palestinian attack on an Israeli military vehicle on November 10. Between November 10 and 15 armed groups have fired more than 200 rockets into Israel, injuring eight Israeli civilians, and strikes by Israeli forces wounded scores of civilians in Gaza.

That's from Human Rights Watch, read more

However, I think it's still pretty irrelevant who started what here because people need to look at the bigger picture which is how did Palestinians become refugees in their own land?

Torakx

I dont think that who is attacking who is relevant at this stage of the conflict.
Both sides have obviously drawn blood and i think is beside the point.

You cannot say for sure that it was hamas breaking the peace.
For all we know it could be Israeli undercovers breaking the peace for hamas, so the "process" in action now, can proceed as normal.

Why would the Israeli government want peace with palestine?

Brown Bomber

thiarfearr wrote: »

My impression was that they were shelling targets in Gaza in retaliation for repeated rocket attacks by Hamas on civilians in Israel

Yeah... here are your "terrorists". If my state was committing this level of barbaric crimes against innocent men, women and children in my name I would be shamed to my very soul.

WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES OF MURDERED PALESTINIAN CHILDREN
http://mondoweiss.net/2012/11/images-of-palestinian-children-injured-in-attacks.html

cynik

Netanyahu made some interesting comments many years ago about attacking Gaza.

"The main thing, first of all, is to hit them [with] blows that are so painful that the price will be too heavy to be borne… To bring them to a point of being afraid that everything is collapsing."

"The world won't say a thing. The world will say we're defending. Especially today, with America. I know what America is. America can easily be moved. Moved to the right direction … They won't get in our way."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JrtuBas3Ipw

Torakx

Just drifted onto this one after watching the last vid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIs-Sn7V1zg

It would be easier to believe if Obama wasnt so well trained in bodylanguage and possibly NLP.

Regardless of wether they like each other, i think it has no bearing on American policy anyway.
The tricks these guys pull to sway public oppinion is basic, but i think it works very well.

thiarfearr

Torakx wrote: »

I dont think that who is attacking who is relevant at this stage of the conflict.
Both sides have obviously drawn blood and i think is beside the point.

You cannot say for sure that it was hamas breaking the peace.
For all we know it could be Israeli undercovers breaking the peace for hamas, so the "process" in action now, can proceed as normal.

Why would the Israeli government want peace with palestine?

Its possible.

But can you say the Arab world and recently Iran wants peace with Israel? They've used the Palestinians to attack Israel by proxy, have made no real efforts to better the lives of Palestinians in their own territories and use the situation as a stick to beat Israel with where possible.

thiarfearr

Torakx wrote: »

Just drifted onto this one after watching the last vid.

It would be easier to believe if Obama wasnt so well trained in bodylanguage and possibly NLP.

Regardless of wether they like each other, i think it has no bearing on American policy anyway.
The tricks these guys pull to sway public oppinion is basic, but i think it works very well.

Some things are hard to fake though even with body language and nlp training, especially body function and microexpression. I think it would have been more beneficial for Israel if Romney was elected, it does make some difference, but overall, both countries will act in accordance to their own best interests.

thiarfearr

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Yeah... here are your "terrorists". If my state was committing this level of barbaric crimes against innocent men, women and children in my name I would be shamed to my very soul.

WARNING GRAPHIC IMAGES OF MURDERED PALESTINIAN CHILDREN
http://mondoweiss.net/2012/11/images-of-palestinian-children-injured-in-attacks.html

Which is tragic. It is also possible to link images of injured/killed Israeli children. Hamas randomly targets civilians when it ups the ante, while launching its own rockets from civilian sites.

Torakx

Thiarfear, if that map posted earlier showing the history of Israels land ownership is correct.
Why is there any doubt about palestines legitimacy to that land previously owned by them?
They have every right to wage a fullscale war to defend their land dont you think?
If England came to start moving Irish people out, to say..Australia, wouldnt it be righteous for the Irish to fight back?

If its a case that a God or just God says so, then he should come and appear in an international court and explain himself and his right to condemn innocents to death for the sake of land rights.Innocents on boths sides.

I would like to understand genuinely why someone can defend Israels actions over the last 50 odd years.



Edit, sorry map was in the other thread.
http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/photos/maps/landloss.jpg
and just read your rebuttle of it ahha.
Well id still like to understand why.

Brown Bomber

thiarfearr wrote: »

Which is tragic. It is also possible to link images of injured/killed Israeli children. Hamas randomly targets civilians when it ups the ante, while launching its own rockets from civilian sites.

Can I make a suggestion?

Don't place an entire population under a barbaric siege. It's likely to make them want to strike out.

Can I ask you a question? Baring in mind that Israel killed Hamas' military chief What would be the Israeli reaction to Hamas assasinating Israel's Defense Minister Ehud Barak, as punishment for the war crimes/terrorism he has carried out?

thiarfearr

Torakx wrote: »

Thiarfear, if that map posted earlier showing the history of Israels land ownership is correct.
Why is there any doubt about palestines legitimacy to that land previously owned by them?
They have every right to wage a fullscale war to defend their land dont you think?
If England came to start moving Irish people out, to say..Australia, wouldnt it be righteous for the Irish to fight back?

If its a case that a God or just God says so, then he should come and appear in an international court and explain himself and his right to condemn innocents to death for the sake of land rights.Innocents on boths sides.

I would like to understand genuinely why someone can defend Israels actions over the last 50 odd years.



Edit, sorry map was in the other thread.
http://lawrenceofcyberia.blogs.com/photos/maps/landloss.jpg
and just read your rebuttle of it ahha.
Well id still like to understand why.

I don't defend all their actions. But I do see them as a nation surrounded by enemies and built by a people that have been persecuted throughout their history, both the Jews already living in the Middle East and those in Europe.

Before the current escalation, there had been 800 rocket attacks on Israel this year, its not hard to see that they would eventually respond.

And that map is propaganda and doesn't tell the full story, yet people swallow it blindly.

thiarfearr

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Can I make a suggestion?

Don't place an entire population under a barbaric siege. It's likely to make them want to strike out.

Can I ask you a question? Baring in mind that Israel killed Hamas' military chief What would be the Israeli reaction to Hamas assasinating Israel's Defense Minister Ehud Barak, as punishment for the war crimes/terrorism he has carried out?

I assume they'd strike back.

You never answered my question in the other thread about how Israel is 'ever expanding' if it has about half the territory it had in 1967

cynik

thiarfearr wrote: »

I assume they'd strike back.

You never answered my question in the other thread about how Israel is 'ever expanding' if it has about half the territory it had in 1967

Why does Israel oppose self determination of Palestinians?

Do you think Israelis want a 2 state solution?

BTW: Jimmy Carter had this to say about Netanyahu

“Every prime minister I’ve known has been a pursuer of the two-state solution and I don’t know that [US] President [Barack] Obama has found that prime minister Netanyahu is going to go that route,” Carter said in the American Colony Hotel in East Jerusalem. “All indication to us is that the two-state solution has basically been abandoned and we’re now moving toward a Greater Israel, or Eretz Israel, taking over all of the land between the Mediterranean and the Jordan River, which I think is contrary to the two-state solution concept.”


So then, what do you think about the concept of Greater Israel now?

JustinDee

cynik wrote: »

Do you think Israelis want a 2 state solution?

It is impossible to tell given that each successive government of late has been a narrowly edged coalition forming an alliance with right-wing fringe parties for majority swings in the Knesset. Israel is that divided.
The current government have no interest in a Palestinian state. Neither did Palestine's other previous occupiers, Egypt, Syria and Jordan or even before them, the Ottoman Turks.
The problem at Israel's end is the coalition. The population has to elect a non-Likud alliance. This new 'superparty' formed between Likud and Lieberman's party could be the straw that broke the camel's back and send the swing vote the other way. Settler movement would not be as aided and abetted and diplomatic talks would also ensue.

Of course, the problem on the Palestinians's side is that Hamas still has a stranglehold on Gaza and poses a relentless threat to Israelis. Alleged peace deals and non-existent changes to their charter as propagandic as anything that the Likud coalition distributes.
The struggle between Hamas v Fatah is also a problem. The attempt at an consolidatory alliance has lasted as predicted.

There are three sides to this conflict. Not two. Nor is the US or EU the only outside influence on proceedings. Russia, China and Iran (and now to a recent lesser degree, Syria) have vital interests.

Egypt is a very crucial factor here. Being in receipt of the annual billions of dollars in support from the likes of IMF, US and EU, taking ultimate sides is not their chosen path but rather, a role of mediation.
So, watch the US and Egypt in these negotiations. They've a tough job ahead. Don't be surprised if their involvement bursts any popularity bubble Netanyahu's cabinet hope for out of this campaign on Gaza. It is in their best interest. Rather than the usual west or US bashing points of view, you'll find if investigating a little more broadly that the US govt for one look to have been growing weary of Netanyahu's stance. Again, Hamas doing the Palestinian cause no favours by their stance either.

So, to sum up, it is up to the Israeli people to vote a majority non-Likud-style government in thus confining minority hardline parties to what they they are: minorities. It is also up to the Gazans to rise up against Hamas and demand firstly that an opposition party be allowed to be formed in Gaza then for free elections to take place as soon as possible.

Brown Bomber

thiarfearr wrote: »

I assume they'd strike back.

You never answered my question in the other thread about how Israel is 'ever expanding' if it has about half the territory it had in 1967

Apologies, One step back and two steps forward. I was referring to the ongoing expansion of the illegal Israeli settlements.

As an aside and for what it's I'd just like to point that although you and I are unlikely to agree on much you are very polite and not at all bombastic which is the norm for Israel supporters and I appreciate it for what it's worth.

Brown Bomber

JustinDee wrote: »

The problem at Israel's end is the coalition. The population has to elect a non-Likud alliance. This new 'superparty' formed between Likud and Lieberman's party could be the straw that broke the camel's back and send the swing vote the other way. Settler movement would not be as aided and abetted and diplomatic talks would also ensue.

I sincerely hope that you are not suggesting that the best prospects for peace are the war criminals Livni, the terrorist's daughter and the corrupt Olmert. The duo who oversaw war crimes against the people Lebanon in 2006 and the people of Gaza in 2008/09. If so, there is truly no hope. It's replacing Likud with Likud-light.

There is something deeply disturbing when killing women and children increases your popular support. It appears the racist, settler-colonial mentality is deep rooted in Israeli society if that is the case also in the case of some recent Israeli polls:

1. More than half of Jewish Israelis polled in May agreed that Africans living illegally in Israel are “a cancer in the body” of the country, - http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/world_now/2012/06/poll-jewish-israelis-african-migrants.html
2. Most of the Jewish public in Israel supports the establishment of an apartheid regime in Israel if it formally annexes the West Bank. - http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/jewish-people-are-just-that-people-and-far-from-chosen-1.388870
3. 
   Poll: 70% of Israeli Jews believe Jews are 'Chosen People' - http://972mag.com/poll-shows-israel-slowly-but-surely-turning-into-a-theocracy/33989/
   

JustinDee

Brown Bomber wrote: »

I sincerely hope that you are not suggesting that the best prospects for peace are the war criminals Livni, the terrorist's daughter and the corrupt Olmert. The duo who oversaw war crimes against the people Lebanon in 2006 and the people of Gaza in 2008/09. If so, there is truly no hope. It's replacing Likud with Likud-light.

There is something deeply disturbing when killing women and children increases your popular support. It appears the racist, settler-colonial mentality is deep rooted in Israeli society if that is the case also in the case of some recent Israeli polls:

1. More than half of Jewish Israelis polled in May agreed that Africans living illegally in Israel are “a cancer in the body” of the country, - http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/world_now/2012/06/poll-jewish-israelis-african-migrants.html
2. Most of the Jewish public in Israel supports the establishment of an apartheid regime in Israel if it formally annexes the West Bank. - http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition/opinion/jewish-people-are-just-that-people-and-far-from-chosen-1.388870
3. 
   Poll: 70% of Israeli Jews believe Jews are 'Chosen People' - http://972mag.com/poll-shows-israel-slowly-but-surely-turning-into-a-theocracy/33989/
   

An obviously subjective lack of experience of not only Israelis but the divisions within Israeli society. Hence a reliance on sample polling (lazy) and retroactive google searches.
Whatever floats your cause du jour.

Brown Bomber

JustinDee wrote: »

An obviously subjective lack of experience of not only Israelis but the divisions within Israeli society. Hence a reliance on sample polling (lazy) and retroactive google searches.
Whatever floats your cause du jour.

You don't like polls? Watch this then too see the depravity then. WARNING CONTAINS GRAPHIC IMAGES.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5lnKHKBeoM

JustinDee

Brown Bomber wrote: »

You don't like polls?

They're subjective, carefully sampled and findings tend to be extrapolated to suit any agendae.
Your posting reads like PressTV etc, which is why I can see a tilt when you add to a thread subject like this. The use of melodramatic adjectives before subject matter doesn't make your point of view any more credible.

If the entire country thought like the cherry-picked clip you threw up attempts to portray, there wouldn't be a coalition or a split on how the war with Hamas should be conducted.

cynik

JustinDee wrote: »

They're subjective, carefully sampled and findings tend to be extrapolated to suit any agendae.
Your posting reads like PressTV etc, which is why I can see a tilt when you add to a thread subject like this. The use of melodramatic adjectives before subject matter doesn't make your point of view any more credible.

If the entire country thought like the cherry-picked clip you threw up attempts to portray, there wouldn't be a coalition or a split on how the war with Hamas should be conducted.

I would agree PressTV have a bias.. but so does every single news organization in America or Europe (especially UK/US which are controlled by Zionists)

I don't watch American or European news because there's so much bull**** in the reporting, it's frustrating if you really want to know facts.

You don't get facts from mainstream media in Europe or America, just whatever they want you to know.

Just as an example, probably 95% of people in America and Europe think the violence in Gaza was started by Hamas when it was really started by Israel.

Now, don't waste your time telling me it wasn't because I can provide you and your audience the reality. (which you may not accept)

Israel made an incursion into Gaza on November 8th for no reason which resulted in dead 13 year old Palestinian.

The reason Hamas exist is because of Zionism just as Hezbollah existing because of Zionism, just as the IRA existed because of British oppression against the Irish people.

History rarely gets reported accurately but we're now in the information age and you cannot, will not hide the truth anymore so long as people have access to the internet.

Spin your BS anyway you like, it doesn't matter, the truth will get out and people will eventually see you for what you are.

A racist, hate mongering fascist state.

Jonny7

cynik wrote: »

so does every single news organization in America or Europe (especially UK/US which are controlled by Zionists)

Is this a fact or an exaggeration?

stuar

Jonny7 wrote: »

Is this a fact or an exaggeration?

Jewish Americans run the vast majority of US television networks, the printed press, the Hollywood movie industry, the book publishing industry, and the recording industry. Most of these industries are bundled into huge media conglomerates run by the following seven individuals:
Gerald Levin, CEO and Director of AOL Time Warner Michael Eisner, Chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company Edgar Bronfman, Sr., Chairman of Seagram Company Ltd Edgar Bronfman, Jr, President and CEO of Seagram Company Ltd and head of Universal Studios All of the following powerful controllers/owners are Jews:

Gerald Levin, CEO and Director of AOL Time Warner

Michael Eisner, Chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company

Edgar Bronfman, Sr., Chairman of Seagram Company Ltd

Edgar Bronfman, Jr, President and CEO of Seagram Company Ltd and head of Universal Studios

Sumner Redstone, Chairman and CEO of Viacom, Inc

Dennis Dammerman, Vice Chairman of General Electric

Peter Chernin, President and Co-COO of News Corporation Limited

Those seven Jewish men collectively control ABC, NBC, CBS, the Turner Broadcasting System, CNN, MTV, Universal Studios, MCA Records, Geffen Records, DGC Records, GRP Records, Rising Tide Records, Curb/Universal Records, and Interscope Records.

Most of the larger independent newspapers are owned by Jewish interests as well. An example is media mogul is Samuel I. "Si" Newhouse, who owns two dozen daily newspapers from Staten Island to Oregon, plus the Sunday supplement Parade; the Conde Nast collection of magazines, including Vogue, The New Yorker, Vanity Fair, Allure, GQ, and Self; the publishing firms of Random House, Knopf, Crown, and Ballantine, among other imprints; and cable franchises with over one million subscribers."

I coul d add that Michael Eisner could depart Disney tomorrow but the company will remain in the hands of Shamrock Holdings, whose principal office is now located in Israel".

http://wais.stanford.edu/History/history_KennedyAssassination(092803).ht ml


BBC television under Alan Yentob broadcasts into almost every home all day, every day. Likewise ITV, which is controlled by Carlton Communications plc under Michael Green and by Granada plc under Steve Morrison, each of which broadcasts to regions of 26 million, half of the population, or more, all day, every day. Daytime television across the ITV network, which broadcasts to the whole of Britain, every day, is mainly provided by Anglia Television under Graham Creelman, while the rest of the time it is controlled by the regions controlled by Carlton Communications plc and Granadaplc. Likewise ITN, which provides the news for the ITV network every day, is controlled by Michael Green and its programmes are broadcast to the whole of Britain, while Carlton and Granada jointly own the London News Network. Further, BSkyB controlled by Rupert Murdoch broadcasts to over 10 million subscribers and their families every day.

Meanwhile, the main two production studios in Britain, and the largest in Europe, are controlled by Pinewood-Shepperton Limited, controlled by Michael Grade.

The situation is similar in radio, with all BBC radio stations controlled by Jenny Abramsky, alone accounting for 49% of all radio listening in Britain, every day. Further, in total, over 85 million copies of Jewish-controlled newspapers are sold in Britain every week, controlled by Richard Desmond, Rupert Murdoch, Guy Zitter, the openly Shabbat Goy and rabidly Zionist Conrad Black and Mrs Black (Barbara Amiel.)

Sumner Redstone, Chairman and CEO of Viacom, Inc Dennis Dammerman, Vice Chairman of General Electric Peter Chernin, President and Co-COO of News Corporation Limited Those seven Jewish men collectively control ABC, NBC, CBS, the Turner Broadcasting System, CNN, MTV, Universal Studios, MCA Records, Geffen Records, DGC Records, GRP Records, Rising Tide Records, Curb/Universal Records, and Interscope Records. Just a quick copy and paste.

Brown Bomber

You have an unlikely ally



Rupert Murdoch Verified ‏@rupertmurdoch

Why Is Jewish owned press so consistently anti- Israel in every crisis?

Theresa66

I've been scanning the papers this morning and I see that Palestine's moderate president Mahmoud Abbas is applying to the UN on 29 November for non-member observer status. If granted this will allow Palestine access to the international courts so the conflict will change from being Israel vs. Palestine to Israel vs. international community.

My question is: does anyone know how Ireland intennds to vote? Is there a lobby group?

Jonny7

stuar wrote: »

Jewish Americans run the vast majority of US television networks, the printed press, the Hollywood movie industry, the book publishing industry, and the recording industry. Most of these industries are bundled into huge media conglomerates run by the following seven individuals:
Gerald Levin, CEO and Director of AOL Time Warner Michael Eisner, Chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company Edgar Bronfman, Sr., Chairman of Seagram Company Ltd Edgar Bronfman, Jr, President and CEO of Seagram Company Ltd and head of Universal Studios All of the following powerful controllers/owners are Jews:

Gerald Levin, CEO and Director of AOL Time Warner

Michael Eisner, Chairman and CEO of the Walt Disney Company

Edgar Bronfman, Sr., Chairman of Seagram Company Ltd

Edgar Bronfman, Jr, President and CEO of Seagram Company Ltd and head of Universal Studios

Sumner Redstone, Chairman and CEO of Viacom, Inc

Dennis Dammerman, Vice Chairman of General Electric

Peter Chernin, President and Co-COO of News Corporation Limited

Those seven Jewish men collectively control ABC, NBC, CBS, the Turner Broadcasting System, CNN, MTV, Universal Studios, MCA Records, Geffen Records, DGC Records, GRP Records, Rising Tide Records, Curb/Universal Records, and Interscope Records.

Most of the larger independent newspapers are owned by Jewish interests as well. An example is media mogul is Samuel I. "Si" Newhouse, who owns two dozen daily newspapers from Staten Island to Oregon, plus the Sunday supplement Parade; the Conde Nast collection of magazines, including Vogue, The New Yorker, Vanity Fair, Allure, GQ, and Self; the publishing firms of Random House, Knopf, Crown, and Ballantine, among other imprints; and cable franchises with over one million subscribers."

I coul d add that Michael Eisner could depart Disney tomorrow but the company will remain in the hands of Shamrock Holdings, whose principal office is now located in Israel".

http://wais.stanford.edu/History/history_KennedyAssassination(092803).ht ml


BBC television under Alan Yentob broadcasts into almost every home all day, every day. Likewise ITV, which is controlled by Carlton Communications plc under Michael Green and by Granada plc under Steve Morrison, each of which broadcasts to regions of 26 million, half of the population, or more, all day, every day. Daytime television across the ITV network, which broadcasts to the whole of Britain, every day, is mainly provided by Anglia Television under Graham Creelman, while the rest of the time it is controlled by the regions controlled by Carlton Communications plc and Granadaplc. Likewise ITN, which provides the news for the ITV network every day, is controlled by Michael Green and its programmes are broadcast to the whole of Britain, while Carlton and Granada jointly own the London News Network. Further, BSkyB controlled by Rupert Murdoch broadcasts to over 10 million subscribers and their families every day.

Meanwhile, the main two production studios in Britain, and the largest in Europe, are controlled by Pinewood-Shepperton Limited, controlled by Michael Grade.

The situation is similar in radio, with all BBC radio stations controlled by Jenny Abramsky, alone accounting for 49% of all radio listening in Britain, every day. Further, in total, over 85 million copies of Jewish-controlled newspapers are sold in Britain every week, controlled by Richard Desmond, Rupert Murdoch, Guy Zitter, the openly Shabbat Goy and rabidly Zionist Conrad Black and Mrs Black (Barbara Amiel.)

Sumner Redstone, Chairman and CEO of Viacom, Inc Dennis Dammerman, Vice Chairman of General Electric Peter Chernin, President and Co-COO of News Corporation Limited Those seven Jewish men collectively control ABC, NBC, CBS, the Turner Broadcasting System, CNN, MTV, Universal Studios, MCA Records, Geffen Records, DGC Records, GRP Records, Rising Tide Records, Curb/Universal Records, and Interscope Records. Just a quick copy and paste.

You pasted this

"BBC television under Alan Yentob broadcasts into almost every home all day, every day"

Why was "The Jew" bit omitted? The original line is as follows;

"BBC television under the Jew Alan Yentob broadcasts into almost every home all day, every day."

It's taken from this article
http://www.sweetliberty.org/issues/shadow/jewishmedia_uk.shtml

Which contains this line..

"Along with mass, coloured immigration, they are also deliberately encouraging mass inter-racial marriage, race-mixing, which will mean the extinction of our race. It is genocide. We must break the Jewish yoke if our race is to survive."

When we have a look at Yentob we find this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Yentob

In 2002 when the above piece was written that Yentob was director of Drama, Entertainment and Children's. He is an Iraqi-Jew.

Just a Plinker

Thiarfearr in reply to your post I in my opinion think that the reason (Irish) people or some of them feel sympathy towards the Palistine people is because we suffered 800 years of opression ourselfs. But as I said just my opinnion.

As for the video in Brownbomers post 27. The hatered and anger in it is like something I would have expected to have seen coming out of Germany if I was alive then in the late 1930's. When the hatred and killing of Jews was taking place in Europe, I am aware it is selective as is the video in your own post.


In relation to post no 31 By Stuar about the power and companies owned by Jews and altough not in the same manner as was intended by the post, Here is my own experiance from working in a company owned by people of the Jewish religion, I along with 300 other were made redundant from a company who alltough were making a pretty big profit the plant was still closed to move it to eastern europe to make more money, My views on that I will keep to myself but, I think it was why Jesus destroyed the temple.

I do in my opinion believe that to live in peace is better then to live in war and hatred, But as a father myself if my child was killed in an attack by another country I myself would go to war and I can only assume the hatred that I would feel would never leave me, The Jewish state has tried to live peacfully and I know offered to give back land taken in 1967 or the six day war if that is not the same, The dates escape me now if The Jewish state was recconised by the Arab states involved but it was not, and given what they went trough in the years between 1938 and 1945 I can understand the ( Don't feck with us attitude)
But I do feel that a war will end, but hatered will last for generations

asherbassad

thiarfearr wrote: »

My impression was that they were shelling targets in Gaza in retaliation for repeated rocket attacks by Hamas on civilians in Israel

Your impression is so far off the mark that it's laughable.

asherbassad

thiarfearr wrote: »

I don't defend all their actions. But I do see them as a nation surrounded by enemies and built by a people that have been persecuted throughout their history, both the Jews already living in the Middle East and those in Europe.

Before the current escalation, there had been 800 rocket attacks on Israel this year, its not hard to see that they would eventually respond.

And that map is propaganda and doesn't tell the full story, yet people swallow it blindly.

That map is NOT propaganda. It shows the demographics of land ownership. What is propaganda about it?

thiarfearr

asherbassad wrote: »

That map is NOT propaganda. It shows the demographics of land ownership. What is propaganda about it?

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056811626

asherbassad

JustinDee wrote: »

They're subjective, carefully sampled and findings tend to be extrapolated to suit any agendae.
Your posting reads like PressTV etc, which is why I can see a tilt when you add to a thread subject like this. The use of melodramatic adjectives before subject matter doesn't make your point of view any more credible.

If the entire country thought like the cherry-picked clip you threw up attempts to portray, there wouldn't be a coalition or a split on how the war with Hamas should be conducted.

How else would you attempt to gauge mood or popular opinion other than through polls?

asherbassad

thiarfearr wrote: »

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056811626

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thiarfearr

asherbassad wrote: »

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Post #11, I already explained why its propaganda

JustinDee

asherbassad wrote: »

How else would you attempt to gauge mood or popular opinion other than through polls?

You can't. Aside from involving a majority of people. Sampling can be engineered any way the conductor wishes. Polls are subjective and not representative.

Carraig95

Theresa66 wrote: »

I've been scanning the papers this morning and I see that Palestine's moderate president Mahmoud Abbas is applying to the UN on 29 November for non-member observer status. If granted this will allow Palestine access to the international courts so the conflict will change from being Israel vs. Palestine to Israel vs. international community.

My question is: does anyone know how Ireland intennds to vote? Is there a lobby group?

To be honest, I think Israel's reaction to Palestines acceptance as a non member observer status says it all.

3,500 new homes to be built on war won land in direct provocation to Palestine's new status, thus ending any possible chance of a two state solution. Personally the fact that the US, Britain, Australia, France, Spain, etc are all summoning their respective Israeli ambassadors shows the international disaproval of the latest tactic.

Sad to see.

thiarfearr

This will help bring peace

http://www.euronews.com/2012/12/08/hamas-leader-vows-never-to-recognise-israel/

HAMAS LEADER VOWS NEVER TO RECOGNISE ISRAEL

After receiving a hero’s welcome on his return from decades in exile, Hamas leader Khaled Meshaal has vowed never to recognise Israel.

The trip comes just two weeks after an eight-day
conflict between Israel and Hamas that ended with a ceasefire.

He made his declaration at a rally attended by thousands of people to mark the militant group’s 25th anniversary.

The stage for speeches was also dominated by
a giant model of the Gaza made M75 missile that was fired on both Tel Aviv and Jerusalem.

“We will never recognise the legitimacy of the Israeli occupation and therefore there is no legitimacy for Israel, no matter how long it will take,” he said.

“Abu Mazen took a small but important step at the United Nations. All we want is for this step and the Gaza victory to be used in support for Palestinian reconciliation and independence, and the right to go back to our land, and we won’t give them an inch of our original territory,” added Meshaal.

To the delight of the gathered crowd, Meshaal also promised to free Palestinian prisoners held in Israel, indicating Islamist militants would try to kidnap Israeli soldiers to use as bargaining chips.

humanji

He said he wouldn't recognise the legitimacy of Israeli occupation, not Israel itself. There's a huge difference that most will miss and claim this is a call to wipe out Israel.

thiarfearr

humanji wrote: »

He said he wouldn't recognise the legitimacy of Israeli occupation, not Israel itself. There's a huge difference that most will miss and claim this is a call to wipe out Israel.

"“We will never recognise the legitimacy of the Israeli occupation and therefore there is no legitimacy for Israel, no matter how long it will take,” he said.

“Abu Mazen took a small but important step at the United Nations. All we want is for this step and the Gaza victory to be used in support for Palestinian reconciliation and independence, and the right to go back to our land, and we won’t give them an inch of our original territory,” "

Reading this quote, he is rejecting a two state solution. Thats how it looks to me anyway.

stuar

humanji wrote: »

He said he wouldn't recognise the legitimacy of Israeli occupation, not Israel itself. There's a huge difference that most will miss and claim this is a call to wipe out Israel.

thiarfearr wrote: »

Reading this quote, he is rejecting a two state solution. Thats how it looks to me anyway.

Congratulation's!, You came first!

thiarfearr

stuar wrote: »

Congratulation's!, You came first!

What do you think he means?

stuar

thiarfearr wrote: »

What do you think he means?

It mean's:
"All we want is for this step and the Gaza victory to be used in support for Palestinian reconciliation and independence, and the right to go back to our land, and we won’t give them an inch of our original territory"

But what is our "original" territory?