My modest proposal

Stonewolf

I think I've posted this a few times over the last couple of years in response to the "privatise everything, asset stripping will answer all our problems" attitudes that occasionally pop up. Since there's been a few interesting developments lately and the boards seem to be all abuzz about them I thought I'd save myself some typing and stick them in a google document.

I'll probably add a bit of flesh to it as I go along but if you need to know my answer to any given thread on what's going wrong with PT in this country, look here.

This isn't a "how to fix IE" or "how to fix BE" or even "how to fix CIE" because if that's what you want to know you're asking the wrong question. We need to fix public transport not a little bit of it, and not piecemeal either. The whole model we've been operating is wrong.

Julius Seizure

Stonewolf wrote: »

I think I've posted this a few times over the last couple of years in response to the "privatise everything, asset stripping will answer all our problems" attitudes that occasionally pop up. Since there's been a few interesting developments lately and the boards seem to be all abuzz about them I thought I'd save myself some typing and stick them in a google document.

I'll probably add a bit of flesh to it as I go along but if you need to know my answer to any given thread on what's going wrong with PT in this country, look here.

This isn't a "how to fix IE" or "how to fix BE" or even "how to fix CIE" because if that's what you want to know you're asking the wrong question. We need to fix public transport not a little bit of it, and not piecemeal either. The whole model we've been operating is wrong.

I like the idea, sort of like how in Belgium there's wallonias carrier, TEC Wallonia (long distance) but incorporating TEC Hainaut (County level, intercounty) TEC Charleroi/Namur etc (City level: city bus and tram)

I think a lot of people on here anyway would recognise the restrictural needs anyway and transport police, it's getting it to the top that would be difficult especially with many top CEOs at risk. I think we really need a radical new transport minister...

dowlingm

Where would ports - container, bulk, passenger - fit?

Stonewolf

Ports tend to be organisations unto themselves. Conceptually, a port in the Irish context is more of a destination where goods and people both enter and leave the system. You can therefore view a port as producing and consuming movements on the system and as such it's more of a client than a constituent.

dowlingm

thing is though that ports tend to connect to transportation networks. Look at Port Tunnel for example - a massive on-land project which for the most part relieves an urban area from the effect its port has on it.

Stonewolf

dowlingm wrote: »

thing is though that ports tend to connect to transportation networks. Look at Port Tunnel for example - a massive on-land project which for the most part relieves an urban area from the effect its port has on it.

It's not a part of the port though, it's a part of the trunk route into the port which is provided for the transportation of goods (and indeed people) which arrive or leave the state at that point.

CIE

I do tire of how the phrases "public transport(ation) and "mass transportation" are conflated.

And the answer is not to merely rearrange the deck-chairs and move one bureaucracy into another. And I don't agree that privatisation is difficult to manage, especially when it comes to moving freight on rails.