froch, bellew

supersean1999

yafai fighting now, with the two boys to come, yafai is very impressive

monty_python

supersean1999 wrote: »

yafai fighting now, with the two boys to come, yafai is very impressive

What time does froch start?

supersean1999

monty_python wrote: »

What time does froch start?

bellew not on yet, it could be around 1030

megadodge

Brutal, brutal cut on Bellew.
Interesting to see if this is stopped, bearing in mind he's the 'home' fighter.

goalie2

awful cut on bellew from 3rd round, needs to stop the guy.

gene_tunney

Bolonti is woeful.

megadodge

The Argentine is so good defensively, it's a wonder he doesn't give it a bit more of a go offensively, seeing as Bellew's cut is not going to respond well to more punishment.

If he really went for it he could make the cut too bad to keep going.

gene_tunney

megadodge wrote: »

The Argentine is so good defensively, it's a wonder he doesn't give it a bit more of a go offensively, seeing as Bellew's cut is not going to respond well to more punishment.

If he really went for it he could make the cut too bad to keep going.

He looks good defensively because he is doing absolutely nothing offensively.

supersean1999

i hope hearn and the rest of them dont start about this guys ranking he is terrible

megadodge

gene_tunney wrote: »

He looks good defensively because he is doing absolutely nothing offensively.

I agree he's not doing enough offensively, but whether you like it or not, he's actually a very difficult fighter to hit cleanly.

gene_tunney

megadodge wrote: »

I agree he's not doing enough offensively, but whether you like it or not, he's actually a very difficult fighter to hit cleanly.

Bellew was landing the jab with ease. Bolonti moves his torso well though, ducking hooks etc. overall he's woeful though. Had Bellew cut severely and proceeded to throw 10 punches a round.

Gringo180

Whats ur predictions for thr Froch fight lads??? Is it gonna be an easy win for him, if his odds are anything to go by this shud be over early

djhaxman

Gringo180 wrote: »

Whats ur predictions for thr Froch fight lads??? Is it gonna be an easy win for him, if his odds are anything to go by this shud be over early

Think you have your answer.

djhaxman

Ward will still be too good for Froch imo if they meet again.

supersean1999

what a badly matched fight. very poor, makes me laugh when sky commentators dont want froch to go near ward again , different class, kessler is now beatable, but froch should never go near ward

gene_tunney

djhaxman wrote: »

Ward will still be too good for Froch imo if they meet again.

Agreed. Froch will never beat Ward. And Bute will never beat Froch.

Dick phelan

supersean1999 wrote: »

what a badly matched fight. very poor, makes me laugh when sky commentators dont want froch to go near ward again , different class, kessler is now beatable, but froch should never go near ward

Haha listen to Hearn saying Froch could beat Ward haha dream on Ward will just give Froch a total lesson in boxing if they meet again Frcoh is tough as nails so Ward wont stop him but honestly if Carl won more then 2 or 3 rounds against Ward i would be amazed. I think Carl should fight Kessler again i give him a good chance to beat him as yes Carl has improved since their first fight if he beats Kessler then i think he should retire after that because the only fight after that is Ward and Carl will just lose and lose badly

Henno30

djhaxman wrote: »

Ward will still be too good for Froch imo if they meet again.

Ward would shut him down again. Thing is, there aren't a whole lot of big names out there for Ward. Froch would be near enough the top of the list.

gene_tunney

Henno30 wrote: »

Ward would shut him down again. Thing is, there aren't a whole lot of big names out there for Ward. Froch would be near enough the top of the list.

What a pointless fight that was tonight.

Ward vs Pavlik almost signed apparently.

corny

supersean1999 wrote: »

what a badly matched fight. very poor, makes me laugh when sky commentators dont want froch to go near ward again , different class, kessler is now beatable, but froch should never go near ward

Don't know about that. If money isn't his sole motivation and he finds his way through Bute (who definitely should avoid Froch) and Kessler it wouldn't be a bad way to end your career.

Yes Ward would be a strong favourite and more than likely he'd smoother Froch from working again but Froch is durable and very good when given a sniff. He'd need to be lucky but there's no disgrace in losing to Ward.

Henno30

gene_tunney wrote: »

Ward vs Pavlik almost signed apparently.

Yeah, heard that yesterday. What a joke. Pavlik hasn't beaten an elite opponent in over five years, hasn't even fought one in three.

Henno30

corny wrote: »

Don't know about that. If money isn't his sole motivation and he finds his way through Bute (who definitely should avoid Froch) and Kessler it wouldn't be a bad way to end your career.

Yes Ward would be a strong favourite and more than likely he'd smoother Froch from working again but Froch is durable and very good when given a sniff. He'd need to be lucky but there's no disgrace in losing to Ward.

Froch definitely wants Ward again, no question about it. But all that money he can make in Nottingham must be tempting all the same.

I reckon it'll happen this time next year unless Ward decides to move up. Ward doesn't have a huge pick of opponents at the moment.

supersean1999

Henno30 wrote: »

Yeah, heard that yesterday. What a joke. Pavlik hasn't beaten an elite opponent in over five years, hasn't even fought one in three.

your right but i bet he would beat the mug froch beat tonight, i never got on the froch band wagon and wont now, even though i respect certain things about him, he lost to ward .lost to kessler, imo , v v lucky to beat dirrell. he was getting schooled against a shot taylor , until 15secs from the end, just about beat pascal and johnson, done good against abraham and bute, his record shows two losses, it could easily be 3 or 4, i just think he is overrated,

gene_tunney

supersean1999 wrote: »

your right but i bet he would beat the mug froch beat tonight, i never got on the froch band wagon and wont now, even though i respect certain things about him, he lost to ward .lost to kessler, imo , v v lucky to beat dirrell. he was getting schooled against a shot taylor , until 15secs from the end, just about beat pascal and johnson, done good against abraham and bute, his record shows two losses, it could easily be 3 or 4, i just think he is overrated,

Agreed. He is horribly, horribly overrated. People were putting him in P$P top 10s gere a few weeks ago lol

Henno30

Froch has gone through a serious run of opponents though, especially when you compare him with other Sky hype jobs. Pascal, Taylor, Dirrell, Kessler, Abraham, Johnson, Ward, and Bute. That's a pretty tough bunch in fairness.

corny

He's not classy and his weaknesses are very obvious but his strengths really shouldn't be underestimated.

He's fought everyone and Ward is really the only one to put manners on him. Thats not horribly overrated surely.

Boooourns

gene_tunney wrote: »

Agreed. He is horribly, horribly overrated. People were putting him in P$P top 10s gere a few weeks ago lol

How is he horribly horribly overrated?

He's the IBF World Champion and is probably 2nd to he great Ward in his division, terrific fighter. May not have the classic skills but has one of the best chins and biggest hearts in boxing.
And i have to say he's improved his accuracy with his shots lately, great to see him get the press he deserves in Britain considering the hypejobs they've had for years, when all along a great fighter has been on their doorstep.

gene_tunney

Boooourns wrote: »

How is he horribly horribly overrated?

He's the IBF World Champion and is probably 2nd to he great Ward in his division, terrific fighter. May not have the classic skills but has one of the best chins and biggest hearts in boxing.
And i have to say he's improved his accuracy with his shots lately, great to see him get the press he deserves in Britain considering the hypejobs they've had for years, when all along a great fighter has been on their doorstep.

Because people think he is p4p top 10, when he clearly isn't.

Boooourns

gene_tunney wrote: »

Because people think he is p4p top 10, when he clearly isn't.

Which people?

gene_tunney

Boooourns wrote: »

Which people?

Good few on this forum.

Boooourns

gene_tunney wrote: »

Good few on this forum.

Ah now in fairness just because a few lads here have him on their P4P doesn't mean he's overrated, talk to anyother boxing fan who knows their stuff and they'll tell you his a damn good fighter but he aint on no P4P list.

Dick phelan

Boooourns wrote: »

How is he horribly horribly overrated?

He's the IBF World Champion and is probably 2nd to he great Ward in his division, terrific fighter. May not have the classic skills but has one of the best chins and biggest hearts in boxing.
And i have to say he's improved his accuracy with his shots lately, great to see him get the press he deserves in Britain considering the hypejobs they've had for years, when all along a great fighter has been on their doorstep.

Froch is the best active British fighter without a shadow of a dought he is the second best in the division, i am struggling to think of a british fighter around who has fought such top quality opponents on such a regular basis you have to admire that. Also is it just me but often it seems that the british fighters who fight the top guys dont get near the credit they deserve, while the hype jobs get all the credit eg Ricky Burns has fought some good opposition but dosnt get near the exposure of say kell brook and for a long time Froch was largely ignored despite fighting the best out there

endswell

Boooourns wrote: »

Ah now in fairness just because a few lads here have him on their P4P doesn't mean he's overrated, talk to anyother boxing fan who knows their stuff and they'll tell you his a damn good fighter but he aint on no P4P list.

go and have a look at the p4p thread from a few weeks back. everyone has a similar 1-8, but really when you get down below it none of the arent that great when compared across time. froch for me is in that top 10, he may not have skill but he's got more balls than anyone in the top 10 for starters. gene, you never put yout top 10 in if i remember correctly, just criticised everyone elses.

gene_tunney

endswell wrote: »

go and have a look at the p4p thread from a few weeks back. everyone has a similar 1-8, but really when you get down below it none of the arent that great when compared across time. froch for me is in that top 10, he may not have skill but he's got more balls than anyone in the top 10 for starters. gene, you never put yout top 10 in if i remember correctly, just criticised everyone elses.

That's a fair point. I don't have a top 10 right now but I might do one soon.

walshb

I I don't think Froch is overrated. In boxing today he is a top 5 SMW. Personally I don't like the guy's style. I think he lacks technique, but he's effective at what he does.

That foe last night was pretty poor. But, let us allow Carl an easy night for once. He will never beat Ward. He is just not good enough for Ward, who really is a complete boxer/fighter.

Kessler II would appeal more to me.

gaybeer

The Anti British sentiment on this forum really colours all of the discussions! In an above average division Froch has fought everyone in the top ten of the division losing two close decisions. I personally had him beating Kesseler.

You can chose not to like his style and claim he is just a Sky hype job but he fights everyone, mostly winning, was beaten by a Top 3 P4P guy and makes exciting action fights. What more do people want? Rafael has him 12 I think on his P4P list. I wouldn't argue anywhere from 10-15. Outside of Ward I think he beats everyone else at 168.

endswell

gaybeer wrote: »

The Anti British sentiment on this forum really colours all of the discussions! In an above average division Froch has fought everyone in the top ten of the division losing two close decisions. I personally had him beating Kesseler.

You can chose not to like his style and claim he is just a Sky hype job but he fights everyone, mostly winning, was beaten by a Top 3 P4P guy and makes exciting action fights. What more do people want? Rafael has him 12 I think on his P4P list. I wouldn't argue anywhere from 10-15. Outside of Ward I think he beats everyone else at 168.

what are you talking about? most people on this forum rate him!

Daroxtar

Frochs problem against Ward was he didn't throw half enough leather. Wards timing was excellent and he just kept Froch off balance and out of reach all night. Froch has a top class chin and good heavy hands which might not be 1 punch KO but can do a fairly good job of breaking you up towards the later stages of a fight, so if he tried to rough house Ward he should be able to walk through enough of the incoming to be able to get his own shots off. Busy busy busy and he'll cause trouble for Ward.

But he won't. He'll stalk around throwing only a handfull of shots and get picked apart again. He just hasn't got the skill to box Ward and he wont put in the work to brawl him. I like Froch but Ward is just too cute for him.

Strongbow10

Daroxtar wrote: »

Frochs problem against Ward was he didn't throw half enough leather. Wards timing was excellent and he just kept Froch off balance and out of reach all night. Froch has a top class chin and good heavy hands which might not be 1 punch KO but can do a fairly good job of breaking you up towards the later stages of a fight, so if he tried to rough house Ward he should be able to walk through enough of the incoming to be able to get his own shots off. Busy busy busy and he'll cause trouble for Ward.

But he won't. He'll stalk around throwing only a handfull of shots and get picked apart again. He just hasn't got the skill to box Ward and he wont put in the work to brawl him. I like Froch but Ward is just too cute for him.

Froch had been saying all of this in the build up to the fight in fairness.

What broke his heart though was Ward's superior strength and ability to fight on the inside. Something Froch had not bargained for.

Froch's chin is very good but he was hurt by Ward's consistent accurate shots.

Its not as easy as walking him down, taking two shots to land one bomb. Ward is better than that.

Boooourns

endswell wrote: »

go and have a look at the p4p thread from a few weeks back. everyone has a similar 1-8, but really when you get down below it none of the arent that great when compared across time. froch for me is in that top 10, he may not have skill but he's got more balls than anyone in the top 10 for starters. gene, you never put yout top 10 in if i remember correctly, just criticised everyone elses.

Fair enough mate, i was a bit harsh with my post. I'm a Froch fan but i wouldn't have him in my to 10, i must put mine together on the thread.

walshb

Bellew-Froch at 175 lbs would be a massive British scrap. Would love to see Carl move up and meet Bellew. Bellew can forget Ward or Dawson at LHW. Hopkins he could beat. He won't beat Cleverly should they rematch.

gene_tunney

walshb wrote: »

Bellew-Froch at 175 lbs would be a massive British scrap. Would love to see Carl move up and meet Bellew. Bellew can forget Ward or Dawson at LHW. Hopkins he could beat. He won't beat Cleverly should they rematch.

Would like to see it just to see Froch shut him up. They're good pals though so it won't happen. I've actually heard talk of Cleverly vs Hopkins I wonder if that is still on the radar

unknown13

gene_tunney wrote: »

Would like to see it just to see Froch shut him up. They're good pals though so it won't happen. I've actually heard talk of Cleverly vs Hopkins I wonder if that is still on the radar

Hopkins is fighting in February and Oscar De La Hoya was saying good things about Cleverly before the Hawk fight. I think it is likely to happen.

gene_tunney

unknown13 wrote: »

Hopkins is fighting in February and Oscar De La Hoya was saying good things about Cleverly before the Hawk fight. I think it is likely to happen.

I wouldn't put it past Hopkins to beat Cleverly.

colly10

Daroxtar wrote: »

Frochs problem against Ward was he didn't throw half enough leather. Wards timing was excellent and he just kept Froch off balance and out of reach all night. Froch has a top class chin and good heavy hands which might not be 1 punch KO but can do a fairly good job of breaking you up towards the later stages of a fight, so if he tried to rough house Ward he should be able to walk through enough of the incoming to be able to get his own shots off. Busy busy busy and he'll cause trouble for Ward.

But he won't. He'll stalk around throwing only a handfull of shots and get picked apart again. He just hasn't got the skill to box Ward and he wont put in the work to brawl him. I like Froch but Ward is just too cute for him.

Ward will rough up Froch on the inside rather than the other way around. Whether there on the inside or outside, Ward is the superior fighter. I can't see Froch ever having a chance against him

unknown13

gene_tunney wrote: »

I wouldn't put it past Hopkins to beat Cleverly.

I would probably pick Hopkins by close UD. Hard to rate Cleverly anymore considering the opponents he has been facing. Warren has really matched him badly. I think Hopkins will be able to do enough to take the decision but Cleverly will win a few rounds.

walshb

I agree that is is difficult to really rate Cleverly due to who he has faced. I still think that he would be too much for an aged and well past it Hopkins. Too busy and too fit. Hopkins has not got near the workrate at this stage to win. He is clever, resourceful and tough, but his volume is just not up to it.

TheNoShow

Froch is the man