Towns Still Waiting to be bypassed 2012

road_high

Still a good few when you add them all up, and a hell of a lot of them in Munster;

Enniscorthy (N11/N30)
New Ross (N25)
Dungarvan (N25), well a proper bypass, Clonmel N24 is similar
Castlemartyr (N25)

Carrick on Suir (N24)
Tipp Town (N24/74)

Adare (N21)
Newcastlewest (N21)
Abbeyfeale (N21)

Macroom (N22)

Charleville (N20)

Claregalway (N17)
Tuam (N17)

Carrick On Shannon (N4), proper one

Lots of ones on national secondaries that are badly needed too;
Athy (N78)
Mountmellick (N80)

There must be more then further up the west, on the N5 to Mayo I know there are schemes planned, feel free to add.

veryangryman

Roscommon can be a bitsch sometimes.

Ballina
Portarlington

Dont know how you missed Galway and Sligo. Dual Carriageway with traffic lights through town doesnt count as a bypass

Dublin itself could do with that Eastern bypass tunnel idea.

antoobrien

mfitzy wrote: »

Claregalway (N17)
Tuam (N17)

Add Galway (N6) & Clarinbridge (N18)

AugustusMinimus

- Innishannon
- Bandon
- Killeagh
- Fermoy relief road

That's just what hasn't been mentioned in Cork

antoobrien

AugustusMinimus wrote: »

- Innishannon
- Bandon
- Killeagh
- Fermoy relief road

That's just what hasn't been mentioned in Cork

Fermoy has a bypass - tolled but still a bypass.

road_high

How did i forget Birr, Thurles, Templemore on the N62!
Virginia on the N3 is another bad enough one.

Dr. Kenneth Noisewater

Ballybofey (N13/N15)

SeanW

*Throws the cat among the pigeons*

Slane (N2, N51)

*Hides*

With a potential drop in vehicle numbers of about 20%* over the next five years or so, I doubt that many of the minor towns will ever see those bypasses.

*based on the decline of new car sales since 2007 and the "millennium" cars ageing out and not being replaced.

Quackster

Killarney (N22), Listowel (N69) and Killarglin (N70) in Kerry, all at various stages of planning (albeit Killarney's is currently suspended).

road_high

Deleted User wrote: »

With a potential drop in vehicle numbers of about 20%* over the next five years or so, I doubt that many of the minor towns will ever see those bypasses.

*based on the decline of new car sales since 2007 and the "millennium" cars ageing out and not being replaced.

But that's not the same as car ownership and usage. I do not know any figures but I'd be very surprised if ownership (ratio of cars to people) has dropped very much in these years.
People are keeping cars longer and servicing older ones rather than the scrappage that used go on in the so-called boom years.

Red Silurian

Oola, tip town, gort, cork city north, mallow, buttevant, cobh Newlands cross (not really a town but it's the same idea)

AugustusMinimus

antoobrien wrote: »

Fermoy has a bypass - tolled but still a bypass.

It has a bypass for the M8. But it is inaccesible and doesn't cater for any traffic on the N72.


When doing the bypass, there should have been two slip roads built outside of Supervalu on the N72. On going from N7 to M8 Southbound and one from M8 Northbound to N72.

In addition, a small relief road should have been made from N72 on the Mallow side of Fermoy to junction 14 on the M8.

All of this still doesn't cater for an N72 bypass of Fermoy though.

mfitzy

mfitzy wrote: »

But that's not the same as car ownership and usage. I do not know any figures but I'd be very surprised if ownership (ratio of cars to people) has dropped very much in these years.
People are keeping cars longer and servicing older ones rather than the scrappage that used go on in the so-called boom years.

The point I’m making is that in the not too distant future a lot of these cars will fail their NCT and be uneconomic to repair and scrapped. Unless sales of new cars pick up soon, the number of vehicles will drop, plus the fact that fewer people are able to do those long distant commutes.

With this in mind, I don't expect to see more than a handful of new bypasses built, if any in the near future.

jd

mfitzy wrote: »

Lots of ones on national secondaries that are badly needed too;
Athy (N78)
Mountmellick (N80)

Bunclody on the N80

JupiterKid

Killaloe/Ballina in Cos Clare/Tipp are still waiting for a badly needed new bridge and bypass.

Castlemartyr in Cork

Castlebaldwin in Sligo

Strokestown in Roscommon

Blessington in Wicklow

Carawaystick

colmtheperson wrote: »

Oola, tip town, gort, cork city north, mallow, buttevant, cobh Newlands cross (not really a town but it's the same idea)

Cobh isn't between anywhere, it's at the end of the road
Gort is bypassed

richiek83

Carawaystick wrote: »

Cobh isn't between anywhere, it's at the end of the road
Gort is bypassed

I know we have a bypass in Newbridge but we are badly in need of our Outer Relief Road. Traffic is easily at pre bypass levels. Athy is a definite town in need of a bypass. Blessington is also possibly in need of a bypass.

Danno

Durrow N77... http://www.laois.ie/media/Media,1609,en.jpg

L1011

Danno wrote: »

Durrow N77... http://www.laois.ie/media/Media,1609,en.jpg

That's the wrong side of the town surely? It doesn't bypass it on the N77, it links the N77 to the R639 south.

Danno

The R639 (former N8) is a good quality road, whilst the N77 that goes southeast through the town is very very narrow... http://goo.gl/maps/mf4Ik ...bypassing this bottle-neck!

Sponge Bob

Ballinrobe. Please.

RossieMan

JupiterKid wrote: »

Castlebaldwin in Sligo

neither of these need to be bypassed.

Castlebaldwin is barely a village, never mind a town.
and it's a straight road, never should be put on the list.

Kilrush, Co Clare could benefit from one, though.

Roscommon Town too. On Match days its impossible up there.

JupiterKid

RossieMan wrote: »

neither of these need to be bypassed.

Castlebaldwin is barely a village, never mind a town.
and it's a straight road, never should be put on the list.

Kilrush, Co Clare could benefit from one, though.

Roscommon Town too. On Match days its impossible up there.

Have you seen the state of the N4 between Castlebaldwin and Collooney? :rolleyes:

Castlebaldwin may not be a metropolis but it could do with a bypass as part of a badly needed upgrade to the worst remaining section of the N4 route.

IMO the most urgently needed bypasses are - Adare, Slane, Claregalway, Tuam, Virginia, New Ross, Macroom, Tipp Town and Enniscorthy.

sheff_

JupiterKid wrote: »

Have you seen the state of the N4 between Castlebaldwin and Collooney? :rolleyes:

Castlebaldwin may not be a metropolis but it could do with a bypass as part of a badly needed upgrade to the worst remaining section of the N4 route.

IMO the most urgently needed bypasses are - Adare, Slane, Claregalway, Tuam, Virginia, New Ross, Macroom, Tipp Town and Enniscorthy.

New Ross and Enniscorthy are shovel ready, archaeology completed there in 2010/11. Same applies to Claregalway and Tuam (2009/10). Archaeology was also done for a Mitchelstown style relief road of Tuam in 2007 though maybe this plan was shelved when the motorway plans were developed?

Chris_5339762

Carawaystick wrote: »

Cobh isn't between anywhere, it's at the end of the road
Gort is bypassed

Cobh could do with a northern relief road.

road_high

JupiterKid wrote: »

IMO the most urgently needed bypasses are - Adare, Slane, Claregalway, Tuam, Virginia, New Ross, Macroom, Tipp Town and Enniscorthy.

I agree, these are absolute musts and all on busy National Primary roads. Newcastlewest could do with one but it's in in way as bad as Adare or most of the ones listed.

RossieMan

JupiterKid wrote: »

Have you seen the state of the N4 between Castlebaldwin and Collooney? :rolleyes:

Castlebaldwin may not be a metropolis but it could do with a bypass as part of a badly needed upgrade to the worst remaining section of the N4 route.

IMO the most urgently needed bypasses are - Adare, Slane, Claregalway, Tuam, Virginia, New Ross, Macroom, Tipp Town and Enniscorthy.

that's not a bypass, that's a motorway you want.

grenache

Adare, Claregalway and Macroom are the three worst traffic nightmares that I have yet seen. Charleville, New Ross and Slane are up there too but maybe not quite as bad as the aforementioned three.

funnyname

Ennistymon and kinvara

nacimroc

In order of the time I get stuck at places: Adare, Athy, Galway, Castlemartyr, Portlaois (N80), Claregalway,Thurles.

corktina

Co Cork didn't do at all well in the road improvements that occurred during the Celtic Tiger! Apart from the M8 which is great for City folk but does little for west Cork residents!

M20 , and Macroom bypass , sorely needed . At least the South Ring is being improved (and at least Cork are progressive with applying 120km/h limits on N roads, how many other counties are?)

Mint Sauce

deccurley wrote: »

Ballybofey (N13/N15)

Pointless by-passing Ballybofey if you dont bypass Stranorlar, other wise road would just end up in the River Finn.

JupiterKid wrote: »

Have you seen the state of the N4 between Castlebaldwin and Collooney? :rolleyes:

Castlebaldwin may not be a metropolis but it could do with a bypass as part of a badly needed upgrade to the worst remaining section of the N4 route.

IMO the most urgently needed bypasses are - Adare, Slane, Claregalway, Tuam, Virginia, New Ross, Macroom, Tipp Town and Enniscorthy.

By pass everything between Collooney and Bundoran whilst they are at it. The current link/relief roads around Sligo Town are some of the biggest jokes and waste of money I have seen.

Xenophile

mfitzy wrote: »

Still a good few when you add them all up, and a hell of a lot of them in Munster;

Clonmel N24 is similar

Your post shows a good interest and insight into road infrastructure.

Just a comment on the N24.........in my view, when funds become available (at least five years time) this should be the priority for upgrade to Motorway status. Clonmel has a link road with a high density population north and south of the N24, in many ways it is safety hazard. Forget about the western corridor that suggests bringing traffic from Galway/Limerick down to Mallow en route to Rosslare when the obvoius route is through South Tipperary. Regret that this crazy proposal was dreamed up when Fianna Fail were in power and we had lost touch with reality in so many areas of life which we are now paying so dearly for. Keep up the good work.

Well done again on the work you have put into your posts on this subject.

Sponge Bob

The N24 is like the N5 and N21, not enough traffic to justify Motorway, honest.

Probably should be Motorway grade near Limerick and Waterford but between Tipp(West) and Clonmel(East) should be 2+2 TBH.

Awful road though, the very worst between any 2 of our main cities nowadays.

Headshot

Tipp Town badly needs one tbh

Sponge Bob

Headshot wrote: »

Tipp Town badly needs one tbh

Top 10 Bottleneck to my mind, a 2+2 should do it. If the NRA is gonna do the top 50 bad bends they should also do the top 10 bottlenecks too.

The only top 10 ones with non dead plans are Tuam Claregalway EnniscorthyNew Ross and Galway, not that the likes of Sweetman hasn't objected to each and every one those bypass plans on some grounds only he and a few like minded types can understand or care about.

He'll object if anyone tries to bypass Tipp, for sure.

road_high

Sponge Bob wrote: »

The N24 is like the N5 and N21, not enough traffic to justify Motorway, honest.

Probably should be Motorway grade near Limerick and Waterford but between Tipp(West) and Clonmel(East) should be 2+2 TBH.

Awful road though, the very worst between any 2 of our main cities nowadays.

Yep it's atrocius road. Hasn't seen anything much for over ten years now despite needing a string of bypasses and upgrades.
The N21 is a pain through Adare/NCW but between these its reasonable with straight wide two lane and hard shoulders for the most part.
The N24 is winding and narrow. The local authories and politicians must take some blame especially in Co. Tipp section. Even minor safety schemes and widening would/could make a huge difference.

Headshot

I had to google this "Sweetman" bloke and I thought my local John Ryan was bad. He's against masts and wireless broadband :rolleyes:

touts

N24 is a death trap. Some part of it is regularly closed for serious and fatal accidents. It is narrow and winding and with the volume of trucks and buses on it it is only a matter of time before there is an accident with fatalities in double figures. At the same time it is literally crumbling into the ground. It took over 18 months to get Oola bridge fixed after one side of it was found to be so structurally unsafe that no traffic was allowed on that side and it had someone on duty to watch it 24 hours a day 7 days a week. Apparently other bridges along the route are patched together. There is a fairly constant stream of repair jobs ongoing to keep the road itself functioning.

But the underlying reality is most of it passes through South Tipp and South Tipp has had no minister in 20 or 30 years. The sections in Co Limerick and Co Waterford are not too bad as they have had ministers. But South Tipp returned below average backbenchers and idiot independents and therefore the N24 is simply not a priority.

With no money and worse still no decent dail candidates on the horizon for South Tipp I'm afraid you can take every N24 town off the bypass list. It simply will never happen in our lifetimes.

Rant over.

lucernarian

I think safety is a more important criteria than traffic congestion in deciding what towns need bypasses.

I think the Tipp town N24, Slane, Macroom and M20-related bypasses are the most important. Slane is barely a town but it's unique in having a safety problem such that even if the speed limit was reduced to 10kph, there could still be fatalities. It only takes overloading of a truck or failed brakes on any vehicle. I would have thought the death of a baby less than 2 years old among dozens of others in the last 3 decades would have helped ABP make up their minds... http://www.independent.ie/unsorted/features/on-the-hill-of-tragedy-355649.html

(I also think a HGV ban is needed in Slane but this will not be enough in isolation).

I have travelled only on small sections of the N24 but I found it terrible for the amounts of traffic it handled.

Xenophile

touts wrote: »

N24 is a death trap.........................

But the underlying reality is most of it passes through South Tipp and South Tipp has had no minister in 20 or 30 years.

With no money and worse still no decent dail candidates on the horizon for South Tipp I'm afraid you can take every N24 town off the bypass list. It simply will never happen in our lifetimes.

The content of your post is spot on. By the way I have suggested here in the Election forum that Tipperary should parachute a candidate with cabinet potential into the constituency at the next election.

Bye the way Tipperary South in reality has had no minister for 50 or 60 years.

antoobrien

To_be_confirmed wrote: »

I would have thought the death of a baby less than 2 years old among dozens of others in the last 3 decades would have helped ABP make up their minds...

The general health and wellbeing of the populace does not matter to the objectors to plans - just see the comments on the GCOB thread from shoutmans shill regarding the traffic delaying ambulances getting to UCHG.

Irish and Proud

Sponge Bob wrote: »

Top 10 Bottleneck to my mind, a 2+2 should do it. If the NRA is gonna do the top 50 bad bends they should also do the top 10 bottlenecks too.

The only top 10 ones with non dead plans are Tuam Claregalway EnniscorthyNew Ross and Galway, not that the likes of Sweetman hasn't objected to each and every one those bypass plans on some grounds only he and a few like minded types can understand or care about.

He'll object if anyone tries to bypass Tipp, for sure.

Would he care to object to what many farmers are doing to the environment (ripping out hedgegrows, cutting down trees etc). In some cases, a motorway would be better - at least we would have trees - the M1 was actually one of the nicest roads in my area with the lovely autumn colours. I just think it's just sad the way many of our country roads are being wrecked by farmers with their big tractors (destroying our green verges) and they way in which soil is brought out into the road from adjoining fields (as if soil is an infinite resource) - but Sweetman wouldn't care about that would he? - he'd rather hit the ordinary people by stalling much needed infrastructure projects - I think he just likes the publicity and doesn't really give a damn about the environment.

Raoul Duke

Irish and Proud wrote: »

I just think it's just sad the way many of our country roads are being wrecked by farmers with their big tractors (destroying our green verges) and they way in which soil is brought out into the road from adjoining fields (as if soil is an infinite resource)

Come on, get a grip. Do you expect tractor wheels to be scrubbed down every time they leave a field?

How do you expect anything you say to be taken seriously, if you include garbage like that.

Irish and Proud

Raoul Duke wrote: »

Come on, get a grip. Do you expect tractor wheels to be scrubbed down every time they leave a field?

How do you expect anything you say to be taken seriously, if you include garbage like that.

Would I be right is guessing that you are either a farmer or have close links with farming? Ever hear of defragmentation which would reduce the need to bring tractors out onto the road. The farmer beside me lays roadways to reduce this problem - funny enough, his farm is also clean. When he ploughed the field next to me, I don't remember him making such a mess of our road - the same can't be said of tenants who took land from him however. Also, if there is a decent enough tree in a hedge he cuts, he leaves it rather than cut away regardless.

So you get a grip!

Raoul Duke

Irish and Proud wrote: »

Would I be right is guessing that you are either a farmer or have close links with farming? Ever hear of defragmentation which would reduce the need to bring tractors out onto the road. The farmer beside me lays roadways to reduce this problem - funny enough, his farm is also clean. When he ploughed the field next to me, I don't remember him making such a mess of our road - the same can't be said of tenants who took land from him however. Also, if there is a decent enough tree in a hedge he cuts, he leaves it rather than cut away regardless.

So you get a grip!

So, to sum up, you live in the countryside and are complaining about a bit of dirt.

Irish and Proud

Raoul Duke wrote: »

So, to sum up, you live in the countryside and are complaining about a bit of dirt.

To sum up, I care about the environment around me. As a road enthusiast, what really annoys me is that road and rail projects are made to comply with strict environmental regulations (and rightly so!), but why are the ways of farmers and property developers never called into question??? Our countryside is being destroyed by that ilk IMO!

Now, a bit a dirt you say? - well I say: A disgraceful abuse of the land, and a shocking waste of good top soil. Also, is the soiling of public roads fair to cyclists and pedestrians??? I think not! I'm a motorist myself and do not appreciate my car being rendered unnecessarily dirty (I pay enough motor tax) just because some people don't care enough to respect what is in the public domain (our roads in this case). I also don't appreciate unsightly potholed roads with verges churned up and trees hacked out of it (in some cases, a motorway instead would actually be an aesthetic improvement).

Also, I have lived in the country for 36 years, so contrary to what you might think, I'm no blow-in from the city - I'm actually a Meathman, so just don't go there!

yer man!

Headshot wrote: »

I had to google this "Sweetman" bloke and I thought my local John Ryan was bad. He's against masts and wireless broadband :rolleyes:

He also objected to Knock airport overflow car park and a new terminal because it would make too much noise and to Metro North, afaik, he was silenced.....

RossieMan

Irish and Proud wrote: »

To sum up, I care about the environment around me. As a road enthusiast, what really annoys me is that road and rail projects are made to comply with strict environmental regulations (and rightly so!), but why are the ways of farmers and property developers never called into question??? Our countryside is being destroyed by that ilk IMO!

Now, a bit a dirt you say? - well I say: A disgraceful abuse of the land, and a shocking waste of good top soil. Also, is the soiling of public roads fair to cyclists and pedestrians??? I think not! I'm a motorist myself and do not appreciate my car being rendered unnecessarily dirty (I pay enough motor tax) just because some people don't care enough to respect what is in the public domain (our roads in this case). I also don't appreciate unsightly potholed roads with verges churned up and trees hacked out of it (in some cases, a motorway instead would actually be an aesthetic improvement).

Also, I have lived in the country for 36 years, so contrary to what you might think, I'm no blow-in from the city - I'm actually a Meathman, so just don't go there!

Waste of topsoil?
You'd swear they did it on purpose :rolleyes:
Its not their fault really, i live in the country and any time we dirty the road we try our best to clean it up, but its not that easy.

You don't sound like a farmer, or ever been on a farm to be honest.
Agriculture is our biggest industry, so you'll have to live with the tractors for another while yet. Tractor drivers pay tax too, and Im sure they have car tax also. As much rights on the road as you do.

Raoul Duke

Irish and Proud wrote: »

Now, a bit a dirt you say? - well I say: A disgraceful abuse of the land, and a shocking waste of good top soil. Also, is the soiling of public roads fair to cyclists and pedestrians??? I think not! I'm a motorist myself and do not appreciate my car being rendered unnecessarily dirty

So my previous summation was correct.

Also, there's nothing farmers love doing more than taking their top soil out of their fields and spreading it on the road. It may have passed you by, but the weather this year was particularly bad, leading to the situation where half the field gets stuck to the tractor tires.

And no, I don't live on a farm or in the countryside, it's just common sense and a bit of empathy.

I'm surprised you haven't complained about the smells of the countryside as well.

This is now too many of topic posts from me, so I'll end it here. Apologies.