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Friday 16th November

  • 16-11-2012 5:48am
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,370 ✭✭✭


    Fantastic 3 days racing at Cheltenham starting today.

    4.05 Cheltenham

    Swing Bill 16/1


    Although David Pipe's other runner in the race has been heavily backed into favouritism from a double figure price, I think his 11 year old grey Swing Bill looks a far better value call in a race he won last year off this very mark and also a race he came 2nd in back in 2010. He comes here on the back of a break (just like he did last year) and although his form at the back end of last season was pretty discouraging I'm hoping his break has freshened him up and given his performances in the last 2 year I don't see why he won't be fully wound up for this. Starting with last years race, Swing Bill won very impressively off his current mark of 134 by 7L (a further 12L back to the 3rd) under a fantastic ride from Tom Bellamy. Sitting midfield, he made a bad blunder that surely would have sapped a fair bit of energy from him but he still had more then enough left in the tank to win going away. The form of that race was franked in no uncertain terms with the 2nd Stewards House winning on his only subsequent start off the same mark in a better race. Swing Bill ran another fine race on his next outing a week after this triumph off a mark of 141 under a huge weight of 12-1 where he finished a gallant 7.5L beaten 3rd. Again, the form of that race looks very solid with the 2nd Fruity O Rooney winning his next start impressively off the same mark before running an absolute blinder off a 5lb higher mark at the Cheltenham Festival when finishing runner up in the JLT Speciality Handicap Chase.

    For the rest of last season, Swing Bill took in a very adventurous calender last season that included the Kym Muir, Grand National and Bet365 Gold Cup where it is understandable that he struggled. His final start came over a trip that was probably too short at Worcester in June where he was pulled up and I'm hoping the break has reinvigorated him and that, once again, David Pipe has him spot on for this. In this Amateur Riders handicap, Mikey Ennis takes the ride and claims 5lb off his back. I've watched back a couple of his races and he seems a confident rider who looks rather adept at judging how much horse he has under him. I do have a niggling doubt about his ability to ride out a finish but he would be one of the more experienced jockeys in the field. I am, however, a little concerned that he is 0-17 for David Pipe but a top trainer wouldn't continue to utilise him if he wasn't confident in his abilities so I'm hoping this race has been earmarked for this amateur rider to land his first success for him. Back to his last winning mark in this race last year, I definitely think Swing Bill is on a mark he can exploit (even another year older) and he truly demolished this field last year. If his break over the summer has revitalised him, I'm confident that the return to Cheltenham will bring about a much improved performance and I think he has a good chance of landing this for the 2nd consecutive year at a lovely price with David Pipe having a fantastic record at this meeting.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭the groutch


    I've backed Battlecry @ 25/1 in the same race.

    A bit of a quirky horse who needs to sort out his jumping a bit, but was 2nd in this race last year off 111, and a very close 2nd here in April off 116 over 3f longer, so the trip is no issue.
    So if returning to that kind of form off 112 today (carrying 10st1), should be in with a decent e/w shout.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,370 ✭✭✭rossom


    I've backed Battlecry @ 25/1 in the same race.

    A bit of a quirky horse who needs to sort out his jumping a bit, but was 2nd in this race last year off 111, and a very close 2nd here in April off 116 over 3f longer, so the trip is no issue.
    So if returning to that kind of form off 112 today (carrying 10st1), should be in with a decent e/w shout.

    Wasn't 2nd in this last year. Was a different Amateur Riders race a month earlier. Same logic still applies though


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,447 ✭✭✭barney4001


    Cheltenham today looks like a day for all favourites to go in,get on them


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,173 ✭✭✭hucklebuck


    barney4001 wrote: »
    Cheltenham today looks like a day for all favourites to go in,get on them

    I am opposing Fingal Bay and possibly Dodging Bullets


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,015 ✭✭✭✭Francie Barrett


    :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 895 ✭✭✭Mocha Joe


    Great stuff. I didn't back it. :(


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,370 ✭✭✭rossom


    rossom wrote: »
    Fantastic 3 days racing at Cheltenham starting today.

    4.05 Cheltenham

    Swing Bill 16/1


    Although David Pipe's other runner in the race has been heavily backed into favouritism from a double figure price, I think his 11 year old grey Swing Bill looks a far better value call in a race he won last year off this very mark and also a race he came 2nd in back in 2010. He comes here on the back of a break (just like he did last year) and although his form at the back end of last season was pretty discouraging I'm hoping his break has freshened him up and given his performances in the last 2 year I don't see why he won't be fully wound up for this. Starting with last years race, Swing Bill won very impressively off his current mark of 134 by 7L (a further 12L back to the 3rd) under a fantastic ride from Tom Bellamy. Sitting midfield, he made a bad blunder that surely would have sapped a fair bit of energy from him but he still had more then enough left in the tank to win going away. The form of that race was franked in no uncertain terms with the 2nd Stewards House winning on his only subsequent start off the same mark in a better race. Swing Bill ran another fine race on his next outing a week after this triumph off a mark of 141 under a huge weight of 12-1 where he finished a gallant 7.5L beaten 3rd. Again, the form of that race looks very solid with the 2nd Fruity O Rooney winning his next start impressively off the same mark before running an absolute blinder off a 5lb higher mark at the Cheltenham Festival when finishing runner up in the JLT Speciality Handicap Chase.

    For the rest of last season, Swing Bill took in a very adventurous calender last season that included the Kym Muir, Grand National and Bet365 Gold Cup where it is understandable that he struggled. His final start came over a trip that was probably too short at Worcester in June where he was pulled up and I'm hoping the break has reinvigorated him and that, once again, David Pipe has him spot on for this. In this Amateur Riders handicap, Mikey Ennis takes the ride and claims 5lb off his back. I've watched back a couple of his races and he seems a confident rider who looks rather adept at judging how much horse he has under him. I do have a niggling doubt about his ability to ride out a finish but he would be one of the more experienced jockeys in the field. I am, however, a little concerned that he is 0-17 for David Pipe but a top trainer wouldn't continue to utilise him if he wasn't confident in his abilities so I'm hoping this race has been earmarked for this amateur rider to land his first success for him. Back to his last winning mark in this race last year, I definitely think Swing Bill is on a mark he can exploit (even another year older) and he truly demolished this field last year. If his break over the summer has revitalised him, I'm confident that the return to Cheltenham will bring about a much improved performance and I think he has a good chance of landing this for the 2nd consecutive year at a lovely price with David Pipe having a fantastic record at this meeting.

    That was the most ridiculous price I have ever seen. Lovely stuff


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,438 ✭✭✭Morgans


    Congrats Rossom, Great picking.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,184 ✭✭✭3ndahalfof6


    sweet sir just nectar like.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,669 ✭✭✭Colonel Sanders


    Well done (and I didn't follow you in)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 878 ✭✭✭sonnky


    sickened I missed it. Just in from school.good call though rossom :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,839 ✭✭✭FortuneChip


    Very impressive run.

    Well done Rossom!
    Cheers for the "insight" (don't want to say "tip"{yes, I've lurked for a while})


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,370 ✭✭✭rossom


    Very impressive run.

    Well done Rossom!
    Cheers for the "insight" (don't want to say "tip"{yes, I've lurked for a while})

    Call it whatever you want. Doesn't bother me if they're winning!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,016 ✭✭✭Hulk Hands


    rossom wrote: »
    That was the most ridiculous price I have ever seen. Lovely stuff

    Wait until you hear the price in running! I couldn't get a steam up in time in work so I flicked open the Betfair app and watched the prices move. Swing bill went steadily out as far as 80/1 before slowly coming in and in. By the time he got to 3 I was shouting at the phone. He suddenly went evens, then the internet lagged and for about ten seconds I was staring at it hoping the price would disappear! As tense as any photo finish I've ever watched! Cheers Rossom

    What a day. Along with him, I had 3 bets
    in the form of Dynaste, Dodging Bullets and my biggest of the day on Uncle Junior. Should be a good weekend :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,173 ✭✭✭hucklebuck


    Well done all. Great shout Rossom I left him alone as out of my four only Dynaste won and had 2 seconds and a fourth, didnt want to put the kybosh on y'all


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,447 ✭✭✭barney4001


    great shout rossom good luck


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,370 ✭✭✭rossom


    Hulk Hands wrote: »
    Wait until you hear the price in running! I couldn't get a steam up in time in work so I flicked open the Betfair app and watched the prices move. Swing bill went steadily out as far as 80/1 before slowly coming in and in. By the time he got to 3 I was shouting at the phone. He suddenly went evens, then the internet lagged and for about ten seconds I was staring at it hoping the price would disappear! As tense as any photo finish I've ever watched! Cheers Rossom

    What a day. Along with him, I had 3 bets
    in the form of Dynaste, Dodging Bullets and my biggest of the day on Uncle Junior. Should be a good weekend :)

    How on earth did he go out to 80s! He never looked in trouble at any stage!

    No worries HH and sounds like you had a belter of a day


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 553 ✭✭✭stdidit


    Thats one sickening feeling when you log onto boards after a hards day work and see Rossoms thread is on its second page, so you just know before you open it that you've missed out on something!

    Great call though! Keep it up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭ste2010


    Well done rossom..if I wasn't eating newspapers for dinner and scraping the ground for 10c I would have got on..
    Also independently that's 2 big winners in a week...wonder where that guy who called your picks pigs is gone....karma is a bi**h


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,646 ✭✭✭Luap


    Was in college all day, I had a feeling if you gave a fancy he'd win. I was hoping it might of been for this evenings racing.

    Great stuff, keep it up.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,370 ✭✭✭rossom


    ste2010 wrote: »
    Well done rossom..if I wasn't eating newspapers for dinner and scraping the ground for 10c I would have got on..
    Also independently that's 2 big winners in a week...wonder where that guy who called your picks pigs is gone....karma is a bi**h

    I think he's seen the error of his way and to be fair Torres9kop congratulated me on Quartz De Thaix the other day. At the end of the day its only a forum so no point in taking negative comments to heart.

    Cheers again lads


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 398 ✭✭torres9kop


    rossom wrote: »

    I think he's seen the error of his way and to be fair Torres9kop congratulated me on Quartz De Thaix the other day. At the end of the day its only a forum so no point in taking negative comments to heart.

    Cheers again lads
    I only slagged u back then so you would up your game. Reverse cycology. I read ur write ups with interest. Well done


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,370 ✭✭✭rossom


    torres9kop wrote: »
    I only slagged u back then so you would up your game. Reverse cycology. I read ur write ups with interest. Well done

    Cheers T9K


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 48 fergal23


    I do most of your picks Rossom. Your right ups alone are top notch. Was on Quartz de Thaix and Swing Bill today. Well done. How would you rate Snap Tie's chance in the Racing Post Hurdle on Sunday, it's a very open race.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,370 ✭✭✭rossom


    fergal23 wrote: »
    I do most of your picks Rossom. Your right ups alone are top notch. Was on Quartz de Thaix and Swing Bill today. Well done. How would you rate Snap Tie's chance in the Racing Post Hurdle on Sunday, it's a very open race.

    I've already backed him, although I'll think he'll drift bigger again. Write up to come tomorrow at some stage. Also having a small saver on Moon Dice who I tipped up in the race last year when an unlucky 4th off 1lb lower and who trainer Paul Flynn has said is a much better horse this year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 262 ✭✭BlueBaron


    Cheers Rossom had a 10er on him 14/1..got me on a bit of a role after that, gonna be a good weekend!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,408 ✭✭✭ft9


    rossom wrote: »
    I've already backed him, although I'll think he'll drift bigger again. Write up to come tomorrow at some stage. Also having a small saver on Moon Dice who I tipped up in the race last year when an unlucky 4th off 1lb lower and who trainer Paul Flynn has said is a much better horse this year.

    The ground seems to be gone against Moon Dice now Rossom, he hates that tacky ground. He's on the drift.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭klairondavis


    ft9 wrote: »
    The ground seems to be gone against Moon Dice now Rossom, he hates that tacky ground. He's on the drift.

    Moon Dice will be withdrawn in the morning unless the ground dries out significantly which is very unlikely.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,408 ✭✭✭ft9


    Oh really?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,335 ✭✭✭✭UrbanSea


    :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,408 ✭✭✭ft9


    I'd say Darlan could well come out too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,408 ✭✭✭ft9


    Darlan non runner as predicted.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,818 ✭✭✭ste2010


    ft9 wrote: »
    Darlan non runner as predicted.
    Rage...I was hoping he'd stay in to keep cash and go's price inflated


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