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Why did Israel assassinate Ahmed Jabari hours after he recieved peace draft?

stuar · 2012-11-16 00:41:47

Did Israel deliberately destroy any chance of peace with the Palestinians, seems they did, instead of peace they want escalation of blood, that's the conspiracy, just incase anybody asks.

16-11-2012 12:41AM

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Did Israel deliberately destroy any chance of peace with the Palestinians, seems they did, instead of peace they want escalation of blood, that's the conspiracy, just incase anybody asks.

Israeli peace activist: Hamas leader Jabari killed amid talks on long-term truce.
Hours before Hamas strongman Ahmed Jabari was assassinated, he received the draft of a permanent truce agreement with Israel, which included mechanisms for maintaining the cease-fire in the case of a flare-up between Israel and the factions in the Gaza Strip.
This, according to Israeli peace activist Gershon Baskin, who helped mediate between Israel and Hamas in the deal to release Gilad Shalit and has since...
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israeli-peace-activist-hamas-leader-jabari-killed-amid-talks-on-long-term-truce.premium-1.478085

Israel Approved Killing of Hamas Commander Amid Talks on Long-Term Truce

Israeli peace negotiator Gershon Baskin said Jabari's assassination "killed the possibility of achieving a truce."

Just hours before Israel assassinated Hamas commander Ahmed Jabari on Tuesday, he received the draft proposal of a permanent truce agreement with Israel. But Israel approved the airstrike anyways, choosing escalation over resolution.

“I think that they have made a strategic mistake,” Baskin said, “which will cost the lives of quite a number of innocent people on both sides.” He added that Jabari’s assassination “killed the possibility of achieving a truce.”

“This blood could have been spared. Those who made the decision must be judged by the voters, but to my regret they will get more votes because of this,” he added.

“According to Baskin,” Haaretz reports, “during the past two years Jabari internalized the realization that the rounds of hostilities with Israel were beneficial neither to Hamas nor to the inhabitants of the Gaza Strip and only caused suffering, and several times he acted to prevent firing by Hamas into Israel.”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-approved-killing-of-hamas-commander-amid-talks-on-long-term-truce/5311922

ELIMINATED...........Along with any hope of peace!

‘Ahmed Jabari: Eliminated’: Israel goes to war with Hamas on social media, live tweets assassination, posts proof on YouTube.
When Israel Defence Forces launched their offensive into the Hamas-controlled Gaza strip, they announced their action over their Twitter account, even live tweeting the assassination of Hamas military commander Ahmed Jabari.
“Ahmed Jabari: Eliminated,” the IDF posted on Twitter.

The IDF account also issued a stark warning to Hamas leaders, which set off a war of words with Hamas’ military wing, Al Qassam Brigades.
IDF

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@IDFSpokesperson 14 Nov 12
We recommend that no Hamas operatives, whether low level or senior leaders, show their faces above ground in the days ahead.

Alqassam Brigades @AlqassamBrigade
@IDFSpokesperson Our blessed hands will reach your leaders and soldiers wherever they are (You Opened Hell Gates on Yourselves)

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Twitter’s rules of service say users “may not publish or post direct, specific threats of violence against others.”

http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/11/15/ahmed-jabari-eliminated-israel-goes-to-war-with-hamas-on-social-media-live-tweets-assassination-posts-proof-on-youtube/

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#2 16-11-2012 01:07AM

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Those people are psychos.I mean Israeli leadership and all those supporting them.
But i guess we must wait for a more Hitler esq situation(maybe not so related to the people controlling the USA),
before brutal punishment of a whole culture is seen as something we must act on internationally.

I say bring on the next great dictator asap.Its the only way we will "progress" to our next phase of slavery.And im kind of tired of the covert slide.

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#3 16-11-2012 01:22AM

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Perhaps they don't wan't him involved and are expecting the real broker of peace to step in.

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#5 16-11-2012 07:17AM

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Have to say I doubt it, the guy seemed pretty committed to intifada

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#6 16-11-2012 04:04PM

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Jonny7 wrote: »

Have to say I doubt it, the guy seemed pretty committed to intifada

Of course he was committed to Intifada, does that excude him from realising militarily HAMAS cannont beat Israel alone and the people of Gaza were suffering and peace would end the suffering slightly.

Israel don't want peace, they'd be under more pressure to treat Palestinians as Humans.

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#7 17-11-2012 12:50AM

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If you think 'peace' was on the horizon you are not familiar at all with Hamas' declared charter. They make no secret that peace is not their objective - dozens of rockets had been launched in the WEEK prior to the assassination - in fact quite the opposite, their goals are specificaly racial and genocidal in nature. Again, this is no secret one can read their 'Covenant' whenever he or she choses.

It is unclear right now how much of their founding 'principals', or how racialised the organisation is at this point but what is very clear is its dedication to continuing what they see as resistance, and violently. That the organization can act in two different ways at once, with its military wing doing one thing and its political wing saying another, does nothing to make any unified 'goal' more clear. What we do know is that it's military wing, under the command of this man, was attacking routinely immediatly before this mans killing.

If you think he was planning an 'intafada' at the same time as planning a peace then you managed to contradict yourself in the same sentance. Impressive.

Are you claiming the leader had a change of heart and was about to put the idea forward to Hamas or the people of Gaza as a whole?

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#8 17-11-2012 03:55AM

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SamHarris wrote: »

If you think he was planning an 'intafada' at the same time as planning a peace then you managed to contradict yourself in the same sentance. Impressive.

I didn't say he was planning, I said committed to Intifada, meaning resistance/uprising, he didn't get so high up in HAMAS by handing out leaflets.
Committed to Intafada doesn't mean he wasn't open to peace, not his prefered route maybe?, but one he seemed willing to take for a little less suffering in Gaza.

Read before you accuse me of contradicting myself.

SamHarris wrote: »

Are you claiming the leader had a change of heart and was about to put the idea forward to Hamas or the people of Gaza as a whole?

Both!

If you'd have read my OP I quoted a piece that answers your question if you'd bother trying a little insted of waiting for somebody to show up with a spoon.

The quoted piece:
"“According to Baskin,” Haaretz reports, “during the past two years Jabari internalized the realization that the rounds of hostilities with Israel were beneficial neither to Hamas nor to the inhabitants of the Gaza Strip and only caused suffering, and several times he acted to prevent firing by Hamas into Israel.”
http://www.globalresearch.ca/israel-...-truce/5311922

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#9 17-11-2012 09:41PM

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Well, I can't help but feel the Israeli's were reacting to this rather than any upcoming peace truce.

While I sympathise with the Gazans and their virtual prison camp, it's not exactly wise to keep poking the wasp's nest.

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#10 17-11-2012 09:56PM

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The Israeli government defines itself by its treatment of the Palestinians. There is an election coming up, why would they want peace at a time like this!

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#11 17-11-2012 11:05PM

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Jonny7 wrote: »

Well, I can't help but feel the Israeli's were reacting to this rather than any upcoming peace truce.

While I sympathise with the Gazans and their virtual prison camp, it's not exactly wise to keep poking the wasp's nest.

of course, its because the gazans are shooting at I srael, WHY are they shooting missiles? would it have anything to do with the invaders stealing their land and as y out said yourself putting them in a 'virtual prison camp

no its definitely the gazan's fault for trying to defend themselves

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#12 18-11-2012 08:33PM

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SamHarris wrote: »

If you think 'peace' was on the horizon you are not familiar at all with Hamas' declared charter. They make no secret that peace is not their objective - dozens of rockets had been launched in the WEEK prior to the assassination - in fact quite the opposite, their goals are specificaly racial and genocidal in nature. Again, this is no secret one can read their 'Covenant' whenever he or she choses.

It is unclear right now how much of their founding 'principals', or how racialised the organisation is at this point but what is very clear is its dedication to continuing what they see as resistance, and violently. That the organization can act in two different ways at once, with its military wing doing one thing and its political wing saying another, does nothing to make any unified 'goal' more clear. What we do know is that it's military wing, under the command of this man, was attacking routinely immediatly before this mans killing.

If you think he was planning an 'intafada' at the same time as planning a peace then you managed to contradict yourself in the same sentance. Impressive.

Are you claiming the leader had a change of heart and was about to put the idea forward to Hamas or the people of Gaza as a whole?

Don't know where to start with this. None of it makes any sense. Where is your compassion for the civilian population exposed to the might of one of the mightiest militaries in history?

More importantly...who is occupying who?

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#13 18-11-2012 08:38PM

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Tzar Chasm wrote: »

of course, its because the gazans are shooting at I srael, WHY are they shooting missiles? would it have anything to do with the invaders stealing their land and as y out said yourself putting them in a 'virtual prison camp

no its definitely the gazan's fault for trying to defend themselves

Your post reminded me of this Latuff cartoon.

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#14 19-11-2012 12:13AM

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Something different from the normal Israel is right, Hamas is wrong rhetoric normally broadcast by US main stream media.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/46979738/ns/msnbc-up_with_chris_hayes/#49873864

One of the points raised is at:
05:57

Look first of all theres a number of different factions in Gaza, including Hamas but also a variety of different factions.
Em the israelis, through the Egyptians have been working with Hamas to crack down on the rocket fire, that has worked largely thanks to one of the point peple there Ahmed Jabari who they just assasinated.....
One Israeli journalist put it, that Israel has eliminated it's sub-contractor in Gaza.

Its worth a view.

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#16 19-11-2012 02:25PM

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Tzar Chasm wrote: »

of course, its because the gazans are shooting at I srael, WHY are they shooting missiles? would it have anything to do with the invaders stealing their land and as y out said yourself putting them in a 'virtual prison camp

no its definitely the gazan's fault for trying to defend themselves

Everyone knows this. Don't fire rockets into a more powerful country, it just gives said country an excuse, no matter about history, nor unfairness, nor whatever.

Tibet fires rockets across the border to China tomorrow? their lives are suddenly going to become a lot worse. It's not going to make anything better.

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#17 19-11-2012 04:07PM

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Jonny7 wrote: »

Well, I can't help but feel the Israeli's were reacting to this rather than any upcoming peace truce.

While I sympathise with the Gazans and their virtual prison camp, it's not exactly wise to keep poking the wasp's nest.

Only got around to clicking your link now, sorry!

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Word's fail me

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Ariel Sharon's son has come out and said what the zionist's have been thinking all along, just he was the stupid kunt to actually say it. Dirty evil bastard, he'll probably recieve the nobel peace prize next year?:

Flatten all of Gaza’ says son of Ariel Sharon

Jerusalem Post The son of former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has sparked outrage with an idiotic and hugely depressing op-ed in the Jerusalem Post.
In order for Israel to put the ball decisively "in the net", writes Gilad Sharon, they must step up their campaign against Gazan civilians. These people "are not innocent". Why? "They elected Hamas."

Humanitarian fears of killing Gazan non-combatants "ultimately lead to harming the truly innocent: the residents of southern Israel", says Sharon.

Sharon delivers a payload of hate himself with a call for indiscriminate destruction along the lines of America's use of the Atomic bomb. "We need to flatten entire neighborhoods in Gaza. Flatten all of Gaza. The Americans didn’t stop with Hiroshima – the Japanese weren’t surrendering fast enough, so they hit Nagasaki, too."
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/iv-drip/flatten-all-of-gaza-says-son-of-ariel-sharon-8328228.html

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#18 19-11-2012 07:35PM

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Jonny7 wrote: »

Everyone knows this. Don't fire rockets into a more powerful country, it just gives said country an excuse, no matter about history, nor unfairness, nor whatever.

Tibet fires rockets across the border to China tomorrow? their lives are suddenly going to become a lot worse. It's not going to make anything better.

so, might is right, is that your position???

never mind illegal occupation and collective punishments, just roll over and take it.

basicly them uppity little arabs should know their place and give deference to their betters

is that the nub of your argument?

words fail me in my attempts to convey my disdain for your sentiment

there is one, but its rude

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#19 19-11-2012 07:58PM

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Tzar Chasm wrote: »

so, might is right, is that your position???

never mind illegal occupation and collective punishments, just roll over and take it.

basicly them uppity little arabs should know their place and give deference to their betters

is that the nub of your argument?

words fail me in my attempts to convey my disdain for your sentiment

there is one, but its rude

Nope it isn't. Reread what I wrote.

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#20 19-11-2012 08:02PM

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stuar wrote: »

Dirty evil bastard

Spot on.

I'm not sure which is more disgusting. The fact that he called for genocide or the fact that it was deemed acceptable to print.

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#21 19-11-2012 08:39PM

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Jonny7 wrote: »

Everyone knows this. Don't fire rockets into a more powerful country,

How about..."don't fire rockets into a weaker country".

Jonny7 wrote: »

It's not going to make anything better.

Has the latest round of israeli barbarity made anything better?

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#22 19-11-2012 08:49PM

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Brown Bomber wrote: »

How about..."don't fire rockets into a weaker country".

It doesn't achieve anything.

In the real world, not the hypothetical one, the Palestinians and the Israelis have to come to some sort of an agreement.

All Hamas do by firing rockets is validate the Israeli response. The Palestinians do not have military superiority, so they will never "win" with violence. It's a no-brainer.

Has the latest round of israeli barbarity made anything better?

Absolutely.

Every time there is a situation like this, the Palestinians always come off worse. Look at the comparative losses to infrastructure, lives, standard of living, etc.

Progress made? zero.

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#23 19-11-2012 08:51PM

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stuar wrote: »

Flatten all of Gaza’ says son of Ariel Sharon

Jerusalem Post The son of former Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon has sparked outrage with an idiotic and hugely depressing op-ed in the Jerusalem Post.
In order for Israel to put the ball decisively "in the net", writes Gilad Sharon, they must step up their campaign against Gazan civilians. These people "are not innocent". Why? "They elected Hamas."

Humanitarian fears of killing Gazan non-combatants "ultimately lead to harming the truly innocent: the residents of southern Israel", says Sharon.

Sharon delivers a payload of hate himself with a call for indiscriminate destruction along the lines of America's use of the Atomic bomb. "We need to flatten entire neighborhoods in Gaza. Flatten all of Gaza. The Americans didn’t stop with Hiroshima – the Japanese weren’t surrendering fast enough, so they hit Nagasaki, too."
http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/iv-drip/flatten-all-of-gaza-says-son-of-ariel-sharon-8328228.html

Like evil lunatic father like evil lunatic son. It reminds me of eerily prophethic racist and sociopathic comments made by Benjamin's Netanyahu's father - he sounds utterly vile.

http://972mag.com/the-late-benzion-netanyahus-appalling-views-on-arabs/44215/

On the “essence” of Arabs

Prof. Netanyahu: The Jews and the Arabs are like two goats facing each other on a narrow bridge. One must jump to the river – but that involves a danger of death. The strong goat will make the weaker one jump … and I believe the Jewish power will prevail.

Q: What does the Arabs’ “jump” entail?
A: That they won’t be able to face [anymore] war with us, which will include withholding food from Arab cities, preventing education, terminating electrical power and more. They won’t be able to exist, and they will run away from here. But it all depends on the war, and whether we will win the battles with them.

Q: I suppose you don’t believe in the peace process.
A: I don’t see any signs that the Arabs want peace. … We will face fierce attacks from the Arabs, and we must react firmly. If we don’t, they will go on and Jews will start leaving the country. … We just handed them a strong beating in Gaza, and they still bargain with us over one hostage. … If we gave them a beating that would really hurt them, they would have given us Gilad Shalit back.

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A: That’s not enough. It’s possible that we should have hit harder.

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Q: So what’s the solution?
A: No solution but force … strong military rule. Any outbreak will bring upon the Arabs enormous suffering. We shouldn’t wait for a big uprising to start, but rather act immediately with great force to prevent them from carrying on. … If it’s possible, we should conquer any disputed territory in the Land of Israel. Conquer and hold it, even if it brings us years of war. We should conquer Gaza, and parts of the Galilee, and the Golan. This will bring upon us a bloody war, since war is difficult for us – we don’t have a lot of territory, while the Arabs have lots of space to retreat to. But that’s the only way to survive here.
There is valuable experience [on this matter] we don’t pay notice to. I mean the Ottoman rule over the Arabs. The Turks ruled over the Arabs for 400 years, and there was peace and quiet everywhere. The Arabs hated the Ottomans, but every little thing they did brought mass killings and hanging in towns squares. They were hanging people in Damascus, and Izmir … every town had hanging posts in its center. … The Arabs were so badly beaten, they didn’t dare revolt. Naturally, I don’t recommend the use of hangings as a show of force like the Turks did, I just want to show that the only thing that might move the Arabs from the rejectionist position is force.

On the peace process
Prof. Netanyahu: The problem with the Left is that it thinks the war with the Arabs is like all the wars that nations around the world are conducting. These wars end with a compromise after one side wins or after both sides get tired from war and understand that victory is not possible. But in the Arabs’ case, their nature and character won’t allow any compromise. When they talk of compromise, it’s a way of deceiving. They want to make the other side stop giving its best efforts and fall into the trap of compromising. The Left helps them with that goal.

Q: If compromise replaces war, what is the damage?
A: Compromise is not realistic. It weakens our positions and brings us to a state of limpness, of false believes, of illusions. Every illusion is weakening.

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#24 19-11-2012 08:59PM

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Jonny7 wrote: »

It doesn't achieve anything.

In the real world, not the hypothetical one, the Palestinians and the Israelis have to come to some sort of an agreement.

All Hamas do by firing rockets is validate the Israeli response. The Palestinians do not have military superiority, so they will never "win" with violence. It's a no-brainer.

Absolutely.

Every time there is a situation like this, the Palestinians always come off worse. Look at the comparative losses to infrastructure, lives, standard of living, etc.

Progress made? zero.

Just to be clear are you saying that the latest round of Israeli war crime has "made better" something?

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#25 19-11-2012 10:21PM

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Brown Bomber wrote: »

Just to be clear are you saying that the latest round of Israeli war crime has "made better" something?

I don't know how you extrapolated that, but no.

I am saying that firing rockets into Israel hurts the Palestinians a hell of a lot more than it "hurts" the Israelis. It's basically pointless.

After this intervention by Israel, as illegal, or as wrong, or as disproportionate as anyone wants to (correctly) call it - there won't be as many rockets coming out of Gaza. And if the rockets start again, then this will happen again. It just doesn't achieve anything other than give Israel yet another excuse.

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