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  • 15-11-2012 11:31pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,477 ✭✭✭


    http://www.roscommonherald.ie/2012/11/14/court-finds-dublin-man-guilty-of-ira-membership/


    Seems it doesn't work any more.

    Justice Irish style

    Returning judgement this morning, Mr Justice Paul Butler said the court found that Nolan's failure to answer material questions in interview was "wilful, deliberate and calculated" and this corroborated the belief evidence of Chief Superintendent Kevin Donohoe that Nolan was an IRA member.


    How can you get that answer if he said nothing:confused:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,968 ✭✭✭✭Praetorian Saighdiuir


    Johnny Tightlips aint saying nuthin'


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,477 ✭✭✭Hootanany


    Sounds right.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Hootanany wrote: »
    http://www.roscommonherald.ie/2012/11/14/court-finds-dublin-man-guilty-of-ira-membership/


    Seems it doesn't work any more.

    Justice Irish style

    Returning judgement this morning, Mr Justice Paul Butler said the court found that Nolan's failure to answer material questions in interview was "wilful, deliberate and calculated" and this corroborated the belief evidence of Chief Superintendent Kevin Donohoe that Nolan was an IRA member.


    How can you get that answer if he said nothing:confused:

    ...a webley? Good jaysus.....


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,061 ✭✭✭keith16


    benwavner wrote: »
    Johnny Tightlips aint saying nuthin'

    Where'd they shoot ya Johnny?!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,968 ✭✭✭✭Praetorian Saighdiuir


    keith16 wrote: »
    Where'd they shoot ya Johnny?!

    I aint sayin nothin'!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,061 ✭✭✭keith16


    benwavner wrote: »
    I aint sayin nothin'!

    What are we gonna tell the doctor?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,968 ✭✭✭✭Praetorian Saighdiuir


    keith16 wrote: »
    What are we gonna tell the doctor?

    Tell 'em to suck a lemon! :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,477 ✭✭✭Hootanany


    Taking the fifth is alive and well in Ireland.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,061 ✭✭✭keith16


    Hootanany wrote: »
    Taking the fifth is alive and well in Ireland.

    Who said anything about been in Ireland?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,741 ✭✭✭Piliger


    Hope he never gets out.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,968 ✭✭✭✭Praetorian Saighdiuir


    keith16 wrote: »
    Who said anything about been in Ireland?

    Johnny certaintly didnt.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88,972 ✭✭✭✭mike65


    UK law - does the same apply in Ireland?
    If you say nothing or ´no comment´ at an interview, the court can infer guilt but only if

    - you are charged and go to court, and

    - you do not give evidence.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,477 ✭✭✭Hootanany


    What's the cops say anything you say will be can't ?cant remember the rest

    Tired going to bed now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 899 ✭✭✭djk1000


    mike65 wrote: »
    UK law - does the same apply in Ireland?

    Similar here, depending under what act you are charged.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,874 ✭✭✭rolliepoley


    Miranda rights


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    mike65 wrote: »
    UK law - does the same apply in Ireland?

    Yes. You must be informed beforehand that if you do not answer the question inferences may be made.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,477 ✭✭✭Hootanany


    So if don't say anything the Judge or Gaurdi can say you are anything.
    Don't seem right to me


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,897 ✭✭✭MagicSean


    Hootanany wrote: »
    So if don't say anything the Judge or Gaurdi can say you are anything.
    Don't seem right to me

    No it's a bit more complicated. If a person was attacked and you were caught nearby with cuts on your hand you could be asked what you were doing in the area and why you had cuts on your hand and if you didn't answer the court would be able to infer certain facts from that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,652 ✭✭✭fasttalkerchat


    Hootanany wrote: »
    So if don't say anything the Judge or Gaurdi can say you are anything.
    Don't seem right to me

    Some don't even get a full court case. Others are held on the word of a politician even after the court has demanded their release.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,477 ✭✭✭Hootanany


    Some don't even get a full court case. Others are held on the word of a politician even after the court has demanded their release.

    Has that happened over here then.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,775 ✭✭✭Death and Taxes


    The very idea of a right to remain silent is outdated and does nothing for justice or for any search for the truth.
    These days Garda interviews are recorded, a person in lawful custody should be required to answer any relavent question put to them.


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