Fas are a joke

kerryted

Went in to Fas today looking for a miracle, hoping that they might be someone there that might give me advise on training or 1 of those CE schemes or some bit of hope , I met this snotty ould bitch who treated me like something she brought in on her shoe, I left there thinking that this country is well fuc@ked if these are the kind of people that are supposed to be helping the unemployed get back to work, what hope do we have , as a lad i spent sometime in the UK and if you wanted a job you went to the job center every morning and you got a job, here you are encouraged not to work and don't be bothering us.

edellc

kerryted wrote: »

Went in to Fas today looking for a miracle, hoping that they might be someone there that might give me advise on training or 1 of those CE schemes or some bit of hope , I met this snotty ould bitch who treated me like something she brought in on her shoe, I left there thinking that this country is well fuc@ked if these are the kind of people that are supposed to be helping the unemployed get back to work, what hope do we have , as a lad i spent sometime in the UK and if you wanted a job you went to the job center every morning and you got a job, here you are encouraged not to work and don't be bothering us.

So what advise are you looking for ?

Instead of bitching about a service do something about it...did you get this persons name, if not ring the office describe them to reception so you get a name and then make a formal complaint, either do it while on the phone by speaking to a manager or write an email....I would do both

services won't improve unless you are proactive about it

petersburg2002

Fas is full of managers and administrators. They seriously need to recruit some qualified career guidance counsellors who might actually be able to help people.

kerryted

edellc wrote: »

So what advise are you looking for ?

Instead of bitching about a service do something about it...did you get this persons name, if not ring the office describe them to reception so you get a name and then make a formal complaint, either do it while on the phone by speaking to a manager or write an email....I would do both

services won't improve unless you are proactive about it

You are spot on there but who do i complain too I worked for a while in the public sector i know what goes on when people complain to the manager about staff they are all probably working together for years, great buddies a big laugh in the canteen about the lad coming in complaining about the service he got, sure whats it to us we get paid anyway and we haven't got a pay rise in 6 months. Fas staff should be on a commission to get people back to work we might see some results than.

Mr. Loverman

If you have no commitments here, you should emigrate.

Surveyor11

Mr. Loverman wrote: »

If you have no commitments here, you should emigrate.

OP, two words of advice (coming from someone who's been on the dole twice, works in construction, is on their 4th job and is qualified well) is there are jobs there- First, fas are not going to find you one, although I did find my first one through them when made redundant. Second word of advice is emigration is not always the answer and forcing people to emigrate is not the solution, and that feck off and emigrate attitude is not good. In saying that I willingly spent a stint in London when I finished college, best thing I ever did, even met a wife! So chin up and keep trying - never give up job hunting

edellc

http://www.fas.ie/en/About+Us/Corporate+Structure/Complaints+Procedures.htm

apparently this is how you complain

OP I know what your saying about civil servants and the buddy buddy thing...job for life so can treat everyone else like **** and nothing will be done

However regardless of this I have to put my faith in the complaints procedure and that it will at least be read and just maybe the employee would have a talking to by a manager...unless people complain about the level or lack of service they receive then nothing will every be done at least by making a complaint you are doing something and maybe someone in there will take this on board.

So think before you write and dont rant be clear and factual about your complaint and outline how you expect to be treated when seeking help with the state owned body that is suppose to help with unemployment not hinder it.

best of luck op

Mr. Loverman

Surveyor11 wrote: »

In saying that I willingly spent a stint in London when I finished college, best thing I ever did, even met a wife!

That's why I recommend he emigrates instead of being unemployed in Ireland slowly getting depressed. There are tons of opportunities abroad, as well as all the usual "travel broadens the mind" stuff.

I just don't see the point being long term unemployed in (let's be honest) a country which is fairly depressed and broken.

Of course, emigration is not for everyone.

dahamsta

Surveyor11 wrote: »

First, fas are not going to find you one, although I did find my first one through them when made redundant.

I just wanted to highlight the ridiculousness of this sentence.

RacoonQueen

Mr. Loverman wrote: »

If you have no commitments here, you should emigrate.

That's what my friends girlfriend was told to do. A newly qualified architect, went to the SWO for advice and was told she'd never find a job here and should emigrate.

Great advice.

doolox

Fas are on a high end to nothing. There are 450,000 people unemployed and next to no jobs out there and in fact a lot of employed people are in danger of losing their jobs or being put on longer hours for less money as employers seek to stretch resources and stop from going broke.

While there are some employers who are making good money there are many who are supplying goods and services to big multinationals who are constantly being told to cut costs or have their contracts stopped.

Most discretionary activity in the economy has been cut back to the bone.

Unless you have a good degree and some years experience in a Science or Engineering background or IT related career or languages at a high level then there is very little else that will cover the cost of living here.

Emigration may be an option but almost invariably has its social problems. Those people with little or no social contacts or ties here have done reasonably well but those with a high local sporting or social element to their lives have found it hard.

From what I can see things are not going to improve here for the next 10 yrs or so until Europe acts as one to solve youth unemployment. Ireland will not do it alone.

Dr Turk Turkelton

Mr. Loverman wrote: »

If you have no commitments here, you should emigrate.

You are a Fine Gael supporter right?

Seems to be their policy for getting the unemployment numbers down!

Mrs OBumble

RacoonQueen wrote: »

That's what my friends girlfriend was told to do. A newly qualified architect, went to the SWO for advice and was told she'd never find a job here and should emigrate.

Great advice.

And if she wants to work in that field - it is great advice!

What do you think they should have said "Ahh, sure'n just wait a while, there'll be a grand job for you soon"?

If she's an architect with no experience, then most probably there will NOT be a job for here here any time soon. No one is going to hire an experience-free grad, when there are experienced people to choose from, who are willing to work for the same rate.

So really, her choices are pretty simple.

kerryted

Mr. Loverman wrote: »

That's why I recommend he emigrates instead of being unemployed in Ireland slowly getting depressed. There are tons of opportunities abroad, as well as all the usual "travel broadens the mind" stuff.

I just don't see the point being long term unemployed in (let's be honest) a country which is fairly depressed and broken.

Of course, emigration is not for everyone.

I have been there done that and it does broaden the mind ,and that's why i find it hard to put up with the likes of Fas . Everyone knows that Fas are not up to it even the government but are slow to change.

StillWaters

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

And if she wants to work in that field - it is great advice!

What do you think they should have said "Ahh, sure'n just wait a while, there'll be a grand job for you soon"?

If she's an architect with no experience, then most probably there will NOT be a job for here here any time soon. No one is going to hire an experience-free grad, when there are experienced people to choose from, who are willing to work for the same rate.

So really, her choices are pretty simple.

I agree. As a intelligent qualified person I'm sure she knows about jobbridge and Springboard.

What else is there here for a newly qualified person in a sector in the doldrums? It's very sensible advice!

Surveyor11

dahamsta wrote: »

I just wanted to highlight the ridiculousness of this sentence.

No I found the job by scouring their website myself amongst others, secured the interview and the job myself

If I sat on my hands and did nothing, Fas were not going to contact me as the job matched my qualifications and experience, so easy tiger

RacoonQueen

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

And if she wants to work in that field - it is great advice!

What do you think they should have said "Ahh, sure'n just wait a while, there'll be a grand job for you soon"?

If she's an architect with no experience, then most probably there will NOT be a job for here here any time soon. No one is going to hire an experience-free grad, when there are experienced people to choose from, who are willing to work for the same rate.

So really, her choices are pretty simple.

StillWaters wrote: »

I agree. As a intelligent qualified person I'm sure she knows about jobbridge and Springboard.

What else is there here for a newly qualified person in a sector in the doldrums? It's very sensible advice!

Or they could have assisted her in finding other work or even a jobbridge position (graphic designer even). Telling her to emigrate is not good 'advice'. Simply saying ''just emigrate'' is not the sort of response they should be giving to someone who is looking for help.

micromary

A pretty sad state of affairs. I am setting up my own online business. If I did not have that I would most certainly emigrate. There is nothing else for someone like me in the 30's. I agree with complaining re FAS but who do you complain about? Personally my experience is I could complain about 7 or 8 people in the Baldoyle and Swords offices for a number of reasons ie incompetence, rudeness, wrong advise etc I am even doing a course at FAS but the teacher knows her stuff but simply can't teach it. There have already after 2 weeks being people who have left it because they are unhappy. Jobbridge is a total waste of time but worse of all about it is the total lack of respect as a person I have been given by Jobbridge employers. Disgrace.

Mrs OBumble

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Or they could have assisted her in finding other work or even a jobbridge position (graphic designer even). Telling her to emigrate is not good 'advice'. Simply saying ''just emigrate'' is not the sort of response they should be giving to someone who is looking for help.

Because ... ???

Seriously, if someone says "I trained as an XXX, how can I get a job as one?", and the only honest answer is "emigrate", then that this the answer to give.

Now if they say "I trained as an XXXX, what are my options now"? then that is a slightly different situation, emigration should be only one of the options presented.

But frankly to suggest that someone who has trained as an architect should settle for doing graphic design is

1) insulting to the level of training involved
2) ignoring the number of unemployed artists / designers out there.

slpower01

RacoonQueen wrote: »

Or they could have assisted her in finding other work or even a jobbridge position (graphic designer even). Telling her to emigrate is not good 'advice'. Simply saying ''just emigrate'' is not the sort of response they should be giving to someone who is looking for help.

I know this thread is old, but you do realize a graphic designer is a COMPLETELY different skill set. Its kind of like saying, sure you've worked on a building site as a plumber for years, apply for an electricians job (and even that would be a closer match).