New A&E Unit for St. Lukes Hospital

road_high

Very relieved to see this happen. Sod turning the 26th November. St. Lukes was finished as an acute hospital if we were to loose accident & emergencey services to Dublin, Naas or Waterford.

http://www.kilkennypeople.ie/news/local/st-luke-s-is-safe-hogan-1-4475804

smoking gun

Say what we want about auld Philo,but you have to tip your hat to him.

Looks after his own.

*waits for the militant Mexicans to add their usual "parish pump" blaa blaa(pardon the pun) stuff*

Who cares?

Kilkenny is the place to be.

Word.

road_high

smoking gun wrote: »

Say what we want about auld Philo,but you have to tip your hat to him.

Looks after his own.

*waits for the militant Mexicans to add their usual "parish pump" blaa blaa(pardon the pun) stuff*

Who cares?

Kilkenny is the place to be.

Word.

Yea really not at the races without a cabinet minister. Went without one for long enough (and it showed).
Must really gaul your man McGuinness...when he was in we were lucky to get (ahem) a mere parish pump. Talked lots of sh1te but didn't deliver a thing as he was (and still is) irrelevant in the corridors of power.

catbear

Makes sense as there's already a new ambulance base in Kilkenny.

Cabaal

Its not been mentioned yet but it will be....parish pump politics.

It exist....there i said it!

But it also exists in every single other country in the world, you think a congressman gets voted for in the states and then does nothing that benefits his own area? Of course not!

Its not something specific to Ireland or Kilkenny, it happens in the UK, USA, France, etc etc. Bottom line is maybe just maybe if people in Waterford voted in a meaningful person instead of a independent who basically has no power they'd see it happen more then it has for them.

Just to be clear, I didn't vote for FG or Labour in the last election

Now in saying all of the above, its also possible that parish pump politics had nothing to do with it....people can only speculate and claim it has.

road_high

The casualty unit at St. Lukes is a kip though and is badly needed. It serves a population of about 130k people and is totally inadequate for it's purpose. I don't think providing something that people need is really parish pump stuff.
It's funny, the people whinging are usually the very ones that would want the very same for their own areas.

hi5

Now, if Phillo could finish the ring rd into a proper 'ring', this would link up St Lukes with the M9 , Kilcreen and Aut Even, instead of having to drive through town for medical access.

road_high

hi5 wrote: »

Now, if Phillo could finish the ring rd into a proper 'ring', this would link up St Lukes with the M9 , Kilcreen and Aut Even, instead of having to drive through town for medical access.

Hopefully next on the list....

catbear

mfitzy wrote: »

Hopefully next on the list....

Don't you know, ring road sections happen in 20 year spurts, I reckon we'll be waiting.

road_high

catbear wrote: »

Don't you know, ring road sections happen in 20 year spurts, I reckon we'll be waiting.

We can survive with the M9 and ring road improvements but a bridge across to the Freshford road at the least would be a huge plus.
There's plenty of other towns ahead of us needing more urgetn attention around the country. The council seem to be prioritising that god awful inner relief road rather than this sensible one.

Also the N76 Tennypark and N77 Ballynaslee realignments are crucial. John McGuinness spent his last term in govt re-announcing funding for those improvements. Shock horror, nothing much happened

road_high

smoking gun wrote: »

Say what we want about auld Philo,but you have to tip your hat to him.

Looks after his own.

*waits for the militant Mexicans to add their usual "parish pump" blaa blaa(pardon the pun) stuff*

Who cares?

Kilkenny is the place to be.

Word.

Nobody! If only there was money and jobs in being bitter, paranoid and constant victimhood!

Chiparus

If you think St. Lukes is safe by being tied in with St. Vincents, you are mistaken.

The South east hospitals are very efficient and under UHI will get massive increases in funding as they see more patients at a lower cost base.

The Dublin teaching hospitals are very overstaffed , so need the patients from the South East as a revenue source.


the cost per patient seen in St lukes is 110 euro, it is 280 in St vincents


http://audgen.gov.ie/documents/vfmreports/70_Emergency_Departments.pdf



Under UHI SVH are in serious trouble, thats why the government is keen that they go in with St Lukes

road_high

Chiparus wrote: »

If you think St. Lukes is safe by being tied in with St. Vincents, you are mistaken.

The South east hospitals are very efficient and under UHI will get massive increases in funding as they see more patients at a lower cost base.

The Dublin teaching hospitals are very overstaffed , so need the patients from the South East as a revenue source.


the cost per patient seen in St lukes is 110 euro, it is 280 in St vincents


http://audgen.gov.ie/documents/vfmreports/70_Emergency_Departments.pdf


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Under UHI SVH are in serious trouble, thats why the government is keen that they go in with St Lukes

Hi chiparius. Thanks for some facts for a change on this, there is another thread on this issue, very interesting in what you say there. Kinda of sick reading how we are all going to die in ambulances on the way to Dublin and other such emotive hysteria that switches me right off.
Those patient costs are off the richter scale for Dublin, it's things like that that get my attention.

Dunmoreroader

Mods this thread should be merged with the south-east hospitals one.

road_high

Dunmoreroader wrote: »

Mods this thread should be merged with the south-east hospitals one.

Why?

Investment in St. Lukes A&E not the same thing as St. Lukes possibly leaving the south -east area group. They're just coincidently happening at the same time and are not related. Mods, no need to merge these threads in my opinion.

Dunmoreroader

mfitzy wrote: »

Hi chiparius. Thanks for some facts for a change on this, there is another thread on this issue, very interesting in what you say there. Kinda of sick reading how we are all going to die in ambulances on the way to Dublin and other such emotive hysteria that switches me right off.
Those patient costs are off the richter scale for Dublin, it's things like that that get my attention.

So it's not just parish pump politics Gringos,:) it's medical politics too with the Dublin(& Cork) hospitals lobbying and dividing the SE for selfish reasons. Very good analysis chiparus, I agree with mfitz (!!), we need more light shone on the machinations of the various hospitals and what their real motives are.
That includes the people calling the shots in St Lukes.

Dunmoreroader

mfitzy wrote: »

Why?

Investment in St. Lukes A&E not the same thing as St. Lukes possibly leaving the south -east area group. They're just coincidently happening at the same time and are not related. Mods, no need to merge these threads in my opinion.

Coincidental? Maybe.
Unrelated? Of course they are related- the break up of the SE hospitals grouping looks like hanging on what St. Luke's does which is plan to leave due to perceived threat to A&E services. Am I missing something????
It's all the one big all-encompassing debate Mods.

Schindlers Pissed

The new A&E/MAU for St. Lukes have been in the planning stages for a few years now. The newly opened carpark out there is specifically there to make room room for parking spaces that will be lost when building begins.

road_high

Schindlers Pissed wrote: »

The new A&E/MAU for St. Lukes have been in the planning stages for a few years now. The newly opened carpark out there is specifically there to make room room for parking spaces that will be lost when building begins.

No, did you not hear? It's all a HUGE BIG conspiracy against Waterford and WRH especially. Phil Hogan has an underground network of people that meet weekly to discuss how best to undermine Waterford city!!

All despite the fact that WRH has (rightly) undedrgo massive investment in a new A&E recently.

It's disgusting that people have the bare faced cheek to come on here and try question this investment and imply that it is somehow channeling funds from their areas.
The actual truth as you so rightly point out is that is has been in planning for years, well before the recent WRH paranioa kicked off. I'll repeat it again, the current unit is totally inadequate and needs investment. It's an investment for Carlow Kilkenny and St. Lukes and even people from parts of Tipp, S KIldare, Laois ands West Wicklow use and are reffered to St. Lukes.

Dunmoreroader

mfitzy wrote: »

No, did you not hear? It's all a HUGE BIG conspiracy against Waterford and WRH especially. Phil Hogan has an underground network of people that meet weekly to discuss how best to undermine Waterford city!!

All despite the fact that WRH has (rightly) undedrgo massive investment in a new A&E recently.

It's disgusting that people have the bare faced cheek to come on here and try question this investment and imply that it is somehow channeling funds from their areas.
The actual truth as you so rightly point out is that is has been in planning for years, well before the recent WRH paranioa kicked off. I'll repeat it again, the current unit is totally inadequate and needs investment. It's an investment for Carlow Kilkenny and St. Lukes and even people from parts of Tipp, S KIldare, Laois ands West Wicklow use and are reffered to St. Lukes.

Mods, this definitely sounds like the same mularky as the other thread; merge them. Maybe you could ask Big Phil at the next meeting, he's good at merging things.:-)

road_high

Dunmoreroader wrote: »

Mods, this definitely sounds like the same mularky as the other thread; merge them. Maybe you could ask Big Phil at the next meeting, he's good at merging things.:-)

Well duh...you are the one that keeps trolling onto it love . We diodn't have to wait long for you to pop along.
See post no 17. I don't see why mods should have to merge threads to suit your agenda.
Why don't you ask him yourself, it really does not bother me that much?

Cabaal

This is a separate topic in my view, seems silly to merge it

Captain Havoc

i'm not merging

Dunmoreroader

¡Oh, no, eso es ponerme de nuevo en mi caja! Me voy al sur a través del Río Grande (Suir).
Adios amigos.;)

road_high

Dunmoreroader wrote: »

¡Oh, no, eso es ponerme de nuevo en mi caja! Me voy al sur a través del Río Grande (Suir).
Adios amigos.;)

Adios....amigo would be stretching it though

Cabaal

Dunmoreroader wrote: »

¡Oh, no, eso es ponerme de nuevo en mi caja! Me voy al sur a través del Río Grande (Suir).
Adios amigos.;)

enjoy the swim
:pac:

road_high

Sod-turning this morning at St. Lukes this morning I believe. Well done to all concerned.

road_high

Sod turning;

http://www.kilkennypeople.ie/news/local/husband-and-daughter-of-late-susie-long-at-official-sod-turning-for-new-medical-unit-in-her-honour-at-st-luke-s-hospital-kilkenny-1-4524536

Interesting it's not just a new A&E unit.

road_high

Good to see a crane on the city skyline, working on the new hospital building, it's been a while.

road_high

See some guy is going on "hunger strike" as he was clamped out in St. Lukes, was parked somwhere he shouldn't have been. €100 release fee. Not sure if it was to do with all the disruption from the construction going on.

Schindlers Pissed

There's an easy answer to that one: he should've gone to the carpark. They allow a set down time, but they are strict on it. I don't agree with clamping in the bigger picture, but the parking out there was a disgrace. Wheelchair places, doctors on call spaces, staff on call spaces, ambulance areas......etc etc.

I'm not sure quiet what he's hoping to achieve.

blockic

road_high wrote: »

See some guy is going on "hunger strike" as he was clamped out in St. Lukes, was parked somwhere he shouldn't have been. €100 release fee. Not sure if it was to do with all the disruption from the construction going on.

Saw him out there last night in passing. No one is interested/concerned by the looks of it.

As SP said, there is a car park. Use it. I have no pity for him.

manus30

Does anyone know if there is a new MRI scanner going into St Lukes? Heard rumours but nothing concrete.

Dozen Wicked Words

manus30 wrote: »

Does anyone know if there is a new MRI scanner going into St Lukes? Heard rumours but nothing concrete.

It would be great if it was coming. Have heard nothing. They could do with getting a CT scanner that doesn't break down every other week.

Chiparus

road_high wrote: »

Very relieved to see this happen. Sod turning the 26th November. St. Lukes was finished as an acute hospital if we were to loose accident & emergencey services to Dublin, Naas or Waterford.

http://www.kilkennypeople.ie/news/local/st-luke-s-is-safe-hogan-1-4475804

A new A&E will not protect against the service being lost to other hospitals


Look at this A&E built in 2004!


http://www.bdp.com/en/Projects/By-Name/P-Z/Roscommon-County-Hospital-AE-Department/

road_high

Chiparus wrote: »

A new A&E will not protect against the service being lost to other hospitals


Look at this A&E built in 2004!


http://www.bdp.com/en/Projects/By-Name/P-Z/Roscommon-County-Hospital-AE-Department/

Very different catchments though. Plus portincula is pretty close by.

It is a major step in securing the hospital and preserving existing services. The govt are not going to spend €15 million and then downgrade it. Especially in the times we are in.

Chiparus

road_high wrote: »

Very different catchments though. Plus portincula is pretty close by.

It is a major step in securing the hospital and preserving existing services. The govt are not going to spend €15 million and then downgrade it. Especially in the times we are in.

84 km by the fastest way ( 1 hr 10 min ) , and once St.Vincents hear they will get 15 mil to downgrade St Lukes they will provide all the evidence that is needed to shut SLK.

road_high

Chiparus wrote: »

84 km by the fastest way ( 1 hr 10 min ) , and once St.Vincents hear they will get 15 mil to downgrade St Lukes they will provide all the evidence that is needed to shut SLK.

do you even know where portiuncula is?? Ballinasloe is about 25 mins from Roscommon....

As for the rest that's idle scaremongering and entirely your own opinion. St Luke's are free to join whatever grouping they see best for the hospital.

redtelephone

road_high wrote: »

St Luke's are free to join whatever grouping they see best for the hospital.

I don't think that's the case. St Luke's is part of the south Eastern Hospitals group. The government will decide whether it remains there or joins with another hospital group. At the moment, the two local ministers (Hogan and Howlin) want things to remain as they are, and Waterford is set to gain 21 new and replacement consultant posts in areas such as emergency medicine, dermatology and acute medicine, according to the HSE’s 2013 service plan for the South region.

Chiparus

road_high wrote: »

do you even know where portiuncula is?? Ballinasloe is about 25 mins from Roscommon....

As for the rest that's idle scaremongering and entirely your own opinion. St Luke's are free to join whatever grouping they see best for the hospital.

I am quite aware of where Balinasloe is

Thats some driving if you can do it in 25 mins. Ave speed>163 km/h

Have a look at google maps. even the shortest route on the back roads is 68 km , best route is 84 km.

And as for free to join whatever group they want? They will be placed in the St vincents group and not the st James group.

Wagon Watching

16 patients on trolleys overnight last night, and this is not just in A and E, its on ward corridors, hospital ran out of trolleys to put people on. Phil Hogan was in the paper saying how well St Lukes had done getting trolley numbers down.

Hogan was visiting someone there this week, he made a point to the manager how great it was to see the crane in the sky line and what progress had been made. He was asked by a manager if he wanted to walk round the wards to see how many patients were on corridors on trolleys, during the day, he declined. St Lukes is currently far, far worse than it has been in over 10 years.

10 plus million to build a new A and E when you probably wont have the fund to fund the staff for it and also to have nowhere then to put these patients is mad. This is not winter pressures, we are in spring.

foxcoverteddy

please don't knock our Phil, he was on a private visit, he should at least be allowed to act like a normal person, I mean did he park in the car park, now that is important, if not heads should roll, the clampers let go.
Does anyone know the true story?