cattle dealing

jockey joe

i want to get started dealing in cattle i would like to start with calves . can anyone tell me how to go about it do all the dealers have customers for the ones they buy at the marts .or can you make money buying them off farmers and selling at the mart any info would be greath thanks.

simx

jockey joe wrote: »

i want to get started dealing in cattle i would like to start with calves . can anyone tell me how to go about it do all the dealers have customers for the ones they buy at the marts .or can you make money buying them off farmers and selling at the mart any info would be greath thanks.

Dealers buy off farm and in other marts, you would want to be a good judge when buying in yard as in price and quality, customers geyer built up over time, advertising, word of mouth, did you have a dealers licence? There's a few tricks dealers have with scour and viruses dont know any, if you choose this route you will very quickly become friends with mr. synalox, mr. pen and strep and life aid among other remidies and youll probably be seeing your veto more often, get used to ignorent men and women too, not and easy thing too bend at but if you so choose too become a dealer I wish you luck

epfff

if your wondering where to start here all i have to say is you are soon to go broke dealing
to get customers is build up relationship often giving credit to those who cannot get it anywhere else
suffer guys like me that just dont like dealers
when i was a kid and they would try and force calfs ect on me
now i just try and treat them all like something i stood in

1chippy

Buy yourself a nice pair of mustard coloured slip on boots and a white checked shirt and you will be half way there.

Manoffeeling

You seem to honest and nice to be a dealer.

simx

1chippy wrote: »

Buy yourself a nice pair of mustard coloured slip on boots and a white checked shirt and you will be half way there.

pointy shoes,a suit,2 or 3 phones waterproof leggings and hat with a feather in it and a cigar,then having to perfect the spinning finger technique

leg wax

simx wrote: »

pointy shoes,a suit,2 or 3 phones waterproof leggings and hat with a feather in it and a cigar,then having to perfect the spinning finger technique

i know him:D

simx

leg wax wrote: »

i know him:D

a lad with glasses? kind of fat face? likes to roar and shout and talk big?

mantua

No money in it and if theirs people saying they are making good money then their either lying through their teeth or dealing in something else:rolleyes:
By the time you add in diesel, mart fees having to feed stock for a day or two theirs nothing in it. Having to have a jeep and trailer or your own wagon on the road is near impossible.

simx

mantua wrote: »

No money in it and if theirs people saying they are making good money then their either lying through their teeth or dealing in something else:rolleyes:
By the time you add in diesel, mart fees having to feed stock for a day or two theirs nothing in it. Having to have a jeep and trailer or your own wagon on the road is near impossible.

around here buying comm. is 9e selling is 14e i think if booked in add another 2e if not thats 23e you have to make for mart alone before diesel etc etc

blue5000

simx wrote: »

a lad with glasses? kind of fat face? likes to roar and shout and talk big?

Dirty lookin mac coat? Can he still get credit, think we've probably all seen him in action someplace;)

simx

blue5000 wrote: »

Dirty lookin mac coat? Can he still get credit, think we've probably all seen him in action someplace;)

yeah that the lad be tipping around in a scut truck

nashmach

Need a Merc too just for getting home

PMU

sleveless jacket, stick for under the arm,snuggle up to the boys at the ring

jockey joe

i have my dealers licence got . not all dealers are bad though you dont have to be a ganster to do the job

epfff

jockey joe wrote: »

i have my dealers licence got . not all dealers are bad though you dont have to be a ganster to do the job

no
but to earn a living and servive you have to be a gangster

simx

jockey joe wrote: »

i have my dealers licence got . not all dealers are bad though you dont have to be a ganster to do the job

I would agree not all are gangsters but the most of them are

moy83

Jockey joe what kind of money do you expect to make out of dealing in cattle ? I see plenty of dealers around me here but most of them would be farming or have another job and like going around the marts in their spare time picking up cattle that seem cheap here and there . I'd say they make a twist on the odd few and break even on most if they manage to do that at all .The "real"dealers that seem to be making a living out of it would mostly be buying for factories or fatteners and I think they probably get paid for the haulage to and from mart/feed lot /farm and factory and that would be making as much for them as the "dealing ".
I think with done deal and mart reports and the fact that its much easier for most people to get to the mart and do their own buying and selling these days that the dealers days are numbered .

jockey joe

i dont expect to make a load out of it but i am after buying a cattle truck hauling cattle for farmers so i am at the mart a lot so i said i would try my hand at dealing in calves i would not have to lay out a lot of money to get started

moy83

Ah well you are half way there so People are still paying good money for suck calves so once you get good healthy ones you should do ok . Good luck with it

himwdah

jockey joe wrote: »

i dont expect to make a load out of it but i am after buying a cattle truck hauling cattle for farmers so i am at the mart a lot so i said i would try my hand at dealing in calves i would not have to lay out a lot of money to get started

thats what most dealer i know do, or else work in the mart and the profit on the animal is a bonus, normally 10 or 15 pounds. they get a good reputation and then at the same time for someone to take a day off work and stand at the ring he could come home with nothing but have lost a days pay, that is why a dealer will always be there unless marts close. with enough contacts in time u'll never be stuck with an animal.

good luck

Kovu

1chippy wrote: »

Buy yourself a nice pair of mustard coloured slip on boots and a white checked shirt and you will be half way there.

Ahahahhahha:D

easymoney!

how do you go about getting a dealers licence ???

simx

easymoney! wrote: »

how do you go about getting a dealers licence ???

ya going to make some "easy money"?

freedominacup

jockey joe wrote: »

not all dealers are bad though you dont have to be a ganster to do the job

Reminds me of those "you don't have to crazy to work here but it helps" stickers you used to see around the place.:D

Tommyj1

1chippy wrote: »

Buy yourself a nice pair of mustard coloured slip on boots and a white checked shirt and you will be half way there.

You need the small steel bit in the heel of the mustard boots to make the clicking noise as you walk along.

kerryjack

Buy calves in the south and sell in the west you might make a few quid

jockey joe

easymoney! wrote: »

how do you go about getting a dealers licence ???

you have to get on to the department there is a bit of paperwork involved but the long and the short of it is you need a second yard away from your own farm where you can drope off cattle to stop them mixing with your own herd you need a shed a yard and a crush at the second yard

jockey joe

kerryjack wrote: »

Buy calves in the south and sell in the west you might make a few quid

thankes mate

ootbitb

Try to break the mould and don't try to fool the young , the old and the gullible.

Jamesleacy501

Sure if dealers wernt in the mart 70% of the cattle in the mart would be taken back home again!!

jockey joe

Jamesleacy501 wrote: »

Sure if dealers wernt in the mart 70% of the cattle in the mart would be taken back home again!!

you said it james all these people bad mouting dealers all the time itis them that keep the marts open

1chippy

Thats a very simple view lads.
At the end of the day they are only collecting and delivering cattle for other people.

jockey joe

1chippy wrote: »

Thats a very simple view lads.
At the end of the day they are only collecting and delivering cattle for other people.

at the end of the day they are still needed for that job . if all the dealers left the marts for a week how many cattle would be bought or sold or as you said moved or delivered.

bob charles

I think allot of people on this site mix up dealers and cattle buyers. Most of the cattle around here are bought by guys themselves for further feeding. The same group are around the ring at all the marts and buying for themselves. Very few dealers are buying and then going elsewhere with the animals. I would think over 70% of animals are bought by guys for themselves in the marts im buying in.

ootbitb

jockey joe wrote: »

at the end of the day they are still needed for that job . if all the dealers left the marts for a week how many cattle would be bought or sold or as you said moved or delivered.

The dealer is a middleman. Why buy retail if you can get something wholesale.

Farmers would do the same amount of buying and selling if there were no dealers.

The grass won't stop growing anyway.

bob charles

ootbitb wrote: »

The dealer is a middleman. Why buy retail if you can get something wholesale.

because you can often buy cheaper of a middleman. I buy a good bit of animal feed of a middle man and its cheaper than buying it of the wholesaler.

ootbitb

bob charles wrote: »

because you can often buy cheaper of a middleman. I buy a good bit of animal feed of a middle man and its cheaper than buying it of the wholesaler.

In my experience when buying animal feed the miller always refers me to the agent who could also in effect be called the wholesaler so no choice there for me.

With cattle it's very different. Either the farmer or the mart for me.

Certainly not two middlemen.

bob charles

often the middleman holds product when its not in demand, when the end user may have not use for it. For this purpose alone middle men are needed in every sector. I couldnt care less how many middle men are involved in products I buy aslong as Im buying value in my eyes and getting the best deal.

1chippy

And lets presume for instance a new northern buyer comes into a mart. he is able to pay more for cattle than the usual "middlemen". The northern lad got a trimming for paying more than the usual and wouldnt back down when he was threatened. Thats what i have seen recently on how fair the dealers work around me.
Fair enough there are good and bad in most groups, but i see far too much back scratching and bullying done by dealers.

mf240

1chippy wrote: »

And lets presume for instance a new northern buyer comes into a mart. he is able to pay more for cattle than the usual "middlemen". The northern lad got a trimming for paying more than the usual and wouldnt back down when he was threatened. Thats what i have seen recently on how fair the dealers work around me.
Fair enough there are good and bad in most groups, but i see far too much back scratching and bullying done by dealers.

They can try to bully you but there all hot air. drop a few dear ones to them and youll soon soften their cough.

Bid animals up to there market value then stop you will either get them or you wont.

1chippy

mf240 wrote: »

They can try to bully you but there all hot air. drop a few dear ones to them and youll soon soften their cough.

Bid animals up to there market value then stop you will either get them or you wont.

personally i dont worry a whole lot about them. for the few i buy, they have to be either in my eyes exceptional stock or an absolute bargain.

bob charles

1chippy wrote: »

And lets presume for instance a new northern buyer comes into a mart. he is able to pay more for cattle than the usual "middlemen". The northern lad got a trimming for paying more than the usual and wouldnt back down when he was threatened. Thats what i have seen recently on how fair the dealers work around me.
Fair enough there are good and bad in most groups, but i see far too much back scratching and bullying done by dealers.

If a buyer is able ot pay more for animals kudos to him and the rest of the lads around the ring will have to up their game. I have seen many buyers come and go. One thing I will say about far away buyers is that there are plenty of far away guys able to bid more than me for animals, unfortunately for the marts some of them arent able to pay more for the animals.:rolleyes:

pakalasa

On that subject of buying faraway from your base. What does it cost to transport a typical animal? For example what would a 500 Kg animal cost per km to transport? With everthing included....

Jamesleacy501

would i be right in saying €20 a head from limerick to kildare? 170 km? maybe im wrong!

bob charles

depends on a good few factors, I see guys charging between 50c a km down to as low as 10c a km. the high rate could be for say only a half dozen animals for short journey where as the low rate is for an artic load on a long journey

mf240

450 for 30 in calf heifers 80 miles
lorry and drag
Pay on day

restive

Is there any register of cattle dealers available to the public?

Kovu

restive wrote: »

Is there any register of cattle dealers available to the public?

Yes.

restive

Is it available online? Where is it kept?

Kovu

restive wrote: »

Is it available online? Where is it kept?

In a safe in the midst of a mart:P

No seriously. Google it.