Corporal Punishment in school

Neewbie_noob

Should it be reintroduced ? Many people (including my father) are very against it, as they have horrible memories of it. Back in the day, teachers would batter you senseless for petty things, but now the pendulum has swung in the opposite direction and teachers are afraid of the pupils. Should teachers (within reason) be able to give the odd clout?

Pottler

I for one welcome the re-introduction of corporal punishment, cos the first time my kids snotty git of a teacher hits them, I'll have an excuse to kick him from one end of the car park to another..I've so longed for an excuse....

Neewbie_noob

My father (in 50's) and me (21) disagree with it, but what other options do they have to regain respect?

squod

Once they're hitting someones else's children.

Senna

Plenty of kids need a good slap but i wouldn't give that power to teachers.

lounakin

I don't think reacting to violence by violence will teach kids to respect adults... you know... if we all do the same thing. That's just my opinion. Kids who are being complete and utter excrements should get kicked out and sent to counselling instead.

Pottler

I went to school in the era of corporal punishment, but funnily enough, despite being a right messer, I never was touched once. Loads of the other kids got whacked daily, which led me to believe corporal punishment is the refuge of the bully. Why did I not get hit? Because I was well ready and able to hit back. And they knew it. Forget corporal punishment, it's the last refuge of a teacher so bereft of wit and empathy that they have to beat kids to get them to endure their boring waffle. We never messed in the interesting teachers classes, and they never hit kids either. Respect goes both ways..

Stinicker

As some-one who was illegally corporally punished in our school system as last as the last decade I can give a unanimous vote of no to this.

admiralofthefleet

no way. let the teacher pass on information to me if my son is acting the maggot. ill deal with it.
if a teacher touched my child i would go throught them for a shortcut

Mickey H

Pottler wrote: »

I went to school in the era of corporal punishment, but funnily enough, despite being a right messer, I never was touched once. Loads of the other kids got whacked daily, which led me to believe corporal punishment is the refuge of the bully. Why did I not get hit? Because I was well ready and able to hit back. And they knew it. Forget corporal punishment, it's the last refuge of a teacher so bereft of wit and empathy that they have to beat kids to get them to endure their boring waffle. We never messed in the interesting teachers classes, and they never hit kids either. Respect goes both ways..

Agree 100%.

davetherave

Are Sgt Scream and Capt Discipline going to school also?

Mardy Bum

If a teacher is knowledgeable of their subject, is firm but fair, can control a classroom and can get students ready for an exam 99.9% of the time students will not cause any trouble.

There is however usually that student, due to familial issues, who refuses to learn and is only interested in stopping others from learning. By right they should be taken out of the class and taught on their own or with other good for nothings. We don't have the resources for this.

Pat Mustard

Against corporal punishment by teachers.

In favour of discipline.

As far as I know, teachers are not even allowed to put a child outside the door of the classroom anymore, no matter how much of a loudmouth PITA that kid is.

But there should be some way of keeping control.

Tombi!

Mustard, you can't be serious about kicking a kid outside the class?
Not literally but just telling them to leave the room for the rest of the class time that day.
Where did you hear teachers have no rights to do that? I'm curious and not being argumentative

As for the OP:
I'm a bit conflicted. I finished school in 2007. So I'd still consider myself "young".
Personally, I can name about 10 kids or more in my school of 200-220 students that need a good slap or punch.
I don't think teachers should be given the power they once had (as in parents agreed the teachers had complete rights).

Pat Mustard

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Mustard, you can't be serious about kicking a kid outside the class?
Not literally but just telling them to leave the room for the rest of the class time that day.

I was being serious. When I was in school, kids used to get made stand outside the classroom a lot. It was a regular enough occurrence. Whether it was right or wrong, it took the annoying kid out of the equation.

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Where did you hear teachers have no rights to do that? I'm curious and not being argumentative

I've been told this by teachers who I know personally. I was told that it's an insurance requirement that the children should be supervised at all times, therefore no more kicking kids outside the classroom.

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Personally, I can name about 10 kids or more in my school of 200-220 students that need a good slap or punch.
I don't think teachers should be given the power they once had (as in parents agreed the teachers had complete rights).

I remember one or two unhinged teachers from my school days. Having seen them lose their tempers on more than one occasion, there's no way I'd ever be in favour of corporal punishment.

Max Power

Kids are too fat these days, they wouldn't even feel a good slap of a length of wavin pipe.

RMD

If a teacher can't control the class through voice, then they shouldn't be in the classroom let alone in the classroom with the use of violence.

deblacker

If a teacher needs to resort to violence to control their students; they shouldn't have been given the job in the first place.

There was a teacher who got sacked from my own school for punching a student, the man was a boxer at one stage, he could've seriously hurt him.

Knowing a teacher agrees with the use of violence against their students would just anger me. If they ever touched me I know my pain would be compensated for. (AH HEYURR GANG UP ON DEM)

THall04

No

I remember (several times) the entire class getting beaten, even if they did nothing…..if the teacher left the class and heard only a few lads making noise when he got back , then we all got punished.
Two slaps across the hand with a wooden meter stick (brutal way of teaching the metric system!)
The mark and the pain in your hand would be there for hours, and this happened when I was eight years old.

Although very frightening , it was normal at the time….you would hear stories about other teachers that were worse…..but looking back its hard to understand the mentality of a man who could beat a class of under tens and then listen to all the sobbing and crying that went on afterwards.

And no…there was no religious order involved.These were regular teachers who had wives and families.

The film “Kes” reminds me of school ,but I find it tough to watch the scene where the headmaster slaps the lads in his office(at about 6:45 in the clip below)

Tombi!

I don't mean to cause an argument and I would rather not have anyone post with their experiences but... some people are cruel. There's no denying it. I was six years of age when I got a full force punch from a woman. She was a "teacher". My crime? Well you see I was scum from getting sick over some food.
I didn't each much or anything.

It does not mean all teachers will be like that. I still stand that a slap around the ear is a nice thing for a lot of kids. I wasn't a bad kid. The teachers were still on the "corporal punishment is okay". They used words and a strike was literally the last resort. A threat was worse than a betting and to me, that's how it should be in schools. Threaten the kids, fine. Beating them is wrong though.

Galwayguy35

As someone who was on the receiving end of a teachers fist when I was at school I would be against it.

One thing I noticed was that the kids in the class who seemed to have parents who were "well off" never got hit though.

Lyaiera

squod wrote: »

Once they're hitting someones else's children.

Absolutely. Especially that dirty Moran child.

He's from a council house don't you know?

kowloon

The kids that could actually do with some punishment would be waiting with a group of mates to get the teacher. Either that or teachers would need to park their cars in armoured boxes.

Pottler

Is there anything to be said for Tazers?

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Violence doesn't teach people respect.. it teaches them to fear authority, and that's not good for anyone.

Muir

Brutal Deluxe wrote: »

Mustard, you can't be serious about kicking a kid outside the class?
Not literally but just telling them to leave the room for the rest of the class time that day.
Where did you hear teachers have no rights to do that? I'm curious and not being argumentative

As for the OP:
I'm a bit conflicted. I finished school in 2007. So I'd still consider myself "young".
Personally, I can name about 10 kids or more in my school of 200-220 students that need a good slap or punch.
I don't think teachers should be given the power they once had (as in parents agreed the teachers had complete rights).

I also heard that putting children outside class isn't allowed, and I heard it from the department of education. It's an infringement on a child's right to education if they're sent out apparently.

Pat Mustard

Muir wrote: »

I also heard that putting children outside class isn't allowed, and I heard it from the department of education. It's an infringement on a child's right to education if they're sent out apparently.

It's an infringement on the rest of the children if they're not!

Daniel2590

Muir wrote: »

I also heard that putting children outside class isn't allowed, and I heard it from the department of education. It's an infringement on a child's right to education if they're sent out apparently.

Don't know where this is coming from because some lads are sent out of class as if it was a routine in my school :rolleyes:

mikemac1

No

Ah but the loudmouth child who has a parent on the board of management will never get hit.
Do you want your contract renewed?

Nor will the little runt from the rich family who donated all the computers to the school

The lads from the local authority estate, yeah they'll get a beating

byhookorbycrook

I'm a teacher and was regularly beaten at the age of 3 and a half for the crime of being lefthanded.I don't ever want to see corporal punishment in school. but I disagree with the statement that "good" teachers can handle any child.There are some kids who do not want to be in school, who may be hungover, have never been disciplined by feckless parents and who delight in tormenting clas mates and teachers alike.

Muir

Daniel2590 wrote: »

Don't know where this is coming from because some lads are sent out of class as if it was a routine in my school :rolleyes:

I'm not saying it isn't done. But basically that's the teacher refusing to teach the pupil and it's an infringement on their right to an education.

BOHtox

Stinicker wrote: »

As some-one who was illegally corporally punished in our school system as last as the last decade I can give a unanimous vote of no to this.

Just verbal abuse so?

byhookorbycrook

Muir wrote: »

I'm not saying it isn't done. But basically that's the teacher refusing to teach the pupil and it's an infringement on their right to an education.

Children should never be put outside a door unsupervised. It's more usual these days to bring a child to another room with work to do.

Stinicker

BOHtox wrote: »

Just verbal abuse so?

Unfortunately not

Intensive Care Bear

I remember some of my class mates been dragged around the classroom by their hair and slapped with the dreaded metre stick, this would have been in 92 which was 10 years after it was banned. In this day in age i doubt many people would allow anyone to beat their kids.

coolhull

Neewbie_noob wrote: »

My father (in 50's) and me (21) disagree with it, but what other options do they have to regain respect?[/QUOTE
You dont 'get' respect, you have to earn it....

dj jarvis

Big fat NO from me

i was in a well know christian brothers school on the south side of dublin , i started when i was 6 and left at 15 (mid 70's onward )
they regularly bet the crap out of us with leather strips , rulers and wooden board dusters.
the were vicious bastards and the nuns were worse - i was six , just started 1st class and about 3 or 4 days into my first week and got a good slapping up and down the class for nothing , it was not even a brother or a nun , this was a female teacher in her mid 20's , she was a evil bitch , FFS we were 6 !!

so you never can tell how sadistic a person could be - so don't allow it to happen in the first place - they should be able to defend themselves or another student , but NEVER should they have any right to strike a child for discipline reasons

if someone treated my kids the way me and my brothers were, i would kill them stone dead - no bluster - honest to jebeus