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Ex Pupil complaints against teacher?

  • 14-11-2012 8:28pm
    #1
    Posts: 7,320 Malik Yellow Seaweed


    Are there are avenues by which an ex-pupil can complain about a former teacher's conduct? I don't mean anything overtly criminal but harassment, humiliation, bullying and verbal and emotional abuse. I believe the Board of Management should be the first port of call but does this apply only to parents of a pupil currently at the school? Many thanks for any help folks! :)


Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,224 ✭✭✭Procrastastudy


    OP this question is a bit daft. I'm assuming it wasn't 20 years ago - report it if you have concerns.

    Hmm - okay I suppose if I stretch this I could assume you are worried about defamation and are asking out whether having a pupil there would give you a defence. I dont see how being an ex-pupil is any less of a defence (of qualified privilege) but then I'm often wrong.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 91 ✭✭biddybops


    OP this question is a bit daft. I'm assuming it wasn't 20 years ago - report it if you have concerns.

    Hmm - okay I suppose if I stretch this I could assume you are worried about defamation and are asking out whether having a pupil there would give you a defence. I dont see how being an ex-pupil is any less of a defence (of qualified privilege) but then I'm often wrong.

    Dear procrast,
    I find your answer to be indicative of a 1st year student.
    You obviously have no understanding of the terror that parents have of filing a complaint against a school.
    Our additional costs for travelling for our son is approx €120 per week and more importantly approx 10 hours travelling to and from.
    The educational system is as about moral as the medical profession, and may I add the legal profession.
    If somebody takes the courage to ask the question at least have the respect to answer without the sneer!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,554 ✭✭✭Pat Mustard


    Are there are avenues by which an ex-pupil can complain about a former teacher's conduct? I don't mean anything overtly criminal but harassment, humiliation, bullying and verbal and emotional abuse. I believe the Board of Management should be the first port of call but does this apply only to parents of a pupil currently at the school? Many thanks for any help folks! :)

    If a doctor can verify psychological damage, perhaps you could consider a personal injury action based on negligence and the intentional infliction of emotional abuse, etc. See a solicitor.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,554 ✭✭✭Pat Mustard


    biddybops wrote: »
    Dear procrast,
    I find your answer to be indicative of a 1st year student.
    You obviously have no understanding of the terror that parents have of filing a complaint against a school.
    Our additional costs for travelling for our son is approx €120 per week and more importantly approx 10 hours travelling to and from.
    The educational system is as about moral as the medical profession, and may I add the legal profession.
    If somebody takes the courage to ask the question at least have the respect to answer without the sneer!

    Conspiracy Theory forum that way >>>>>>>>>>


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 91 ✭✭biddybops



    Conspiracy Theory forum that way >>>>>>>>>>

    What are you on about? I merely point out that sneering at posters is not appropriate, a point that obviously went over your head, and you are under the impression that this is part of some conspiracy theory!


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  • Posts: 7,320 Malik Yellow Seaweed


    Thanks for all the replies lads. Please calm down everybody though as I don't want anybody to get into trouble! :) I don't know what to think really. On one hand it was a long time ago and I'm sure others probably had it much worse if at a CBS or whatever. You might say "Get over it". On the other hand this lad wouldn't have said boo to a goose and was treated quite despicably. The treatment has left a psychological scar. Also from checking around it seems this teacher is still employing their abusive methods. Money is not the motivation here. A damaging teacher from a bygone era that needs to be retired is the primary reason.

    I'm just wondering if a complaint was made or if a person went to a solicitor would they be laughed out of it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,554 ✭✭✭Pat Mustard


    biddybops wrote: »
    What are you on about? I merely point out that sneering at posters is not appropriate, a point that obviously went over your head, and you are under the impression that this is part of some conspiracy theory!
    Let's take another look at what you wrote:
    biddybops wrote: »
    The educational system is as about moral as the medical profession, and may I add the legal profession.
    A bit far-fetched, and nothing to do with legal discussion. Perhaps you should try the Conspiracy Theory forum, or maybe Personal Issues.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,224 ✭✭✭Procrastastudy


    biddybops wrote: »
    Dear procrast,
    I find your answer to be indicative of a 1st year student.
    You obviously have no understanding of the terror that parents have of filing a complaint against a school.
    Our additional costs for travelling for our son is approx €120 per week and more importantly approx 10 hours travelling to and from.
    The educational system is as about moral as the medical profession, and may I add the legal profession.
    If somebody takes the courage to ask the question at least have the respect to answer without the sneer!

    The OP is an ex pupil asking in the Legal Discussions forum not someone asking in the Personal Issues forum (which I no longer frequent because of my posting style) or a parent in the parenting forum. If it was a parent with ties to the school I would have considered that in my answer - if you read the OP he is not - he is an ex pupil.

    @OP You seem to be giving more info now and I understand a bit more where you are coming from. Legal advice can't be sought here; firstly because of the charter and on a personal note I'm only a second year law student.

    Rather than going to the board or a solicitor I would run this buy a lawyer at a FLAC clinic. There seems to be some doubt in your mind as to whether this was abuse or not - sounds like it was - but get a professional opinion.

    To clarify is it that you are aware of this ex-pupil and the school have recently hired this teacher?


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,455 ✭✭✭krd


    Also from checking around it seems this teacher is still employing their abusive methods. Money is not the motivation here. A damaging teacher from a bygone era that needs to be retired is the primary reason.

    The funny thing is, I got the shock of my life a few months back. I found out one of my old teachers was still teaching (had just had some good news, I had heard another one of my old teachers was dead, and was just checking to see if I'd got lucky with any more).

    The guy was atrocious. I can't really describe him here - because he was particularly unique - he should be completely unemployable anywhere - turning up for work everyday in the same suit, stinking and stained with urine (really bad) and that was just the charming aspect of character. Reading stuff on the web, he's up to all his old tricks. The kids he "teaches" virtually have no chance of passing exams without grinds - and this may be him doing this deliberately, as he has a nice little earner giving those.
    I'm just wondering if a complaint was made or if a person went to a solicitor would they be laughed out of it?

    It's interesting. Because I'd like to see a few of my old teachers getting a kick up the arse. If you complain to the school, they will protect the teacher. If you complain to the department of education - something similar.

    I do know of a case where a teacher I know, got their union to force the department of education to force a teacher into early retirement.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 12,520 Mod ✭✭✭✭byhookorbycrook


    krd wrote: »

    It's interesting. Because I'd like to see a few of my old teachers getting a kick up the arse. If you complain to the school, they will protect the teacher. If you complain to the department of education - something similar.

    .
    Wanting to kick someone up the arse doesn't exactly come under a legal remit.

    Are you familar with the agreed complaints procedure or have you just decided this yourself???:rolleyes:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 191 ✭✭Avatargh


    biddybops wrote: »
    Dear procrast,
    I find your answer to be indicative of a 1st year student.
    You obviously have no understanding of the terror that parents have of filing a complaint against a school.
    Our additional costs for travelling for our son is approx €120 per week and more importantly approx 10 hours travelling to and from.
    The educational system is as about moral as the medical profession, and may I add the legal profession.
    If somebody takes the courage to ask the question at least have the respect to answer without the sneer!

    You don't have to ask "may I add" when you're typing.

    I'd like to take this opportunity to tell you that.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,455 ✭✭✭krd


    Wanting to kick someone up the arse doesn't exactly come under a legal remit.

    'A kick up the arse' is a figure of speech.

    I went to a CBS. Aside from the abysmal teaching, relentless psychological and verbal torture, I was physically abused.
    Are you familar with the agreed complaints procedure or have you just decided this yourself???:rolleyes:

    Is there a complaints procedure? I would love to make a complaint if there is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,397 ✭✭✭✭FreudianSlippers


    Charter.


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