Which jeep. ?

flat out !!

I'm thinking of changing jeep in the new yr. My 99 reg 2.8L pajero with high milage owes me nothing, but it will cost a bit to pass next the next doe. So was thinking along the lines of pajero or landcruiser, if not new then only couple of yr's old with low milage. Any advice on what to look for, or maybe more importantly what to avoid.? I wont be doing a huge amount of trailer work with it, but ability to pull when needed is very important. Views on fuel consumption.?

kevthegaff

i have a landcruiser great yoke, just make sure the injectors are ok

docmartin

X2 for the Landcruiser, I bought my 07 in 2009 and cant fault it, injectors were done at the time and all i do now is keep it regularly serviced and don't have to worry about it otherwise, almost 200,000 km on it now and while that may seem high, it's nothing to these machines. I find them far ahead of the pajero's to be perfectly honest, the Mitsubishi are only a toy after you've spent a while in a landcruiser

* I went for the LWB for that bit of extra stability on the Donegal roads

Docmartin

simx

+1 on landcruiser have one myself, as mentioned already watch for injectors, new type pajeros from what i have heard arent a magnificent piece of machinery landcruisers are dear but reliable

pakalasa

Have you seen the price of Landcruisers recently. I reckon mine has lost only about €2 since I bought it cheap in 2008.

bob charles

pakalasa wrote: »

Have you seen the price of Landcruisers recently. I reckon mine has lost about €2k since I bought it cheap in 2008.

secondhands they have fallen allot since I bought current one 18 months ago. I bought second one last week with low milage at hopefully the right money. Landcrusiers are good for 500k miles in my view. current one has 320k kms, after doing 100km since I bought it. time now is to buy I would think as many recreational owners cant afford to keep fuel in them. Also second hand will shoot up in price soon as very little registered since 08. If just driving around forget about a landcruiser, you have to be doing work with one and trying to make money using it to justify such a gas guzzler

simx

bob charles wrote: »

secondhands they have fallen allot since I bought current one 18 months ago. I bought second one last week with low milage at hopefully the right money. Landcrusiers are good for 500k miles in my view. current one has 320k kms, after doing 100km since I bought it. time now is to buy I would think as many recreational owners cant afford to keep fuel in them. Also second hand will shoot up in price soon as very little registered since 08. If just driving around forget about a landcruiser, you have to be doing work with one and trying to make money using it to justify such a gas guzzler

+1 couldnt justify one just for tipping around

enricoh

dont think i'd call the cruiser a guzzler, heard from a few pajero owners that they are a good bit thirstier than a cruiser n if injectors are done i'd say the cruiser is a more reliable yoke n hold there value better.

maxxuumman

Got my 3rd landcruiser earlier this year. Wanted a passenger so had to go for early '08. (lower tax) Like the earlier ones, great machine. Had to get the injectors done on it a few months after getting it. It was bought privately, so I had no guarantee. Even though there was no service history for it, Toyota stood over the injectors. It only cost me 120€ to get them done. If I recall correctly a set of injectors fitted could have cost me nearly 2K€.
Very happy with it and Toyota.

pakalasa

Toyota don't replace the Injectors in the re-call, it's the Injector Seats they replace. They're the washers at the tip of the injectors.

Dont be daft

Dont think anyone can fault the Landcruiser.
Realistically its streets ahead of anything else when you consider what a farmer needs.

One thing I could never get my head around is why Toyota released them with such small towing capacities.
Defender and Touareg both have 3.5 tonne towing capacity.
How they can be rated for almost a tonne more than the LC is beyond me. If anything it should be the other way round.

yellow50HX

maxxuumman wrote: »

Got my 3rd landcruiser earlier this year. Wanted a passenger so had to go for early '08. (lower tax) Like the earlier ones, great machine. Had to get the injectors done on it a few months after getting it. It was bought privately, so I had no guarantee. Even though there was no service history for it, Toyota stood over the injectors. It only cost me 120€ to get them done. If I recall correctly a set of injectors fitted could have cost me nearly 2K€.
Very happy with it and Toyota.

if you needed a pasenger model would it not have made more sense to get a crew cab hilux with a canopy, that way you could have the back seats and the commerical tax.

flat out !!

There's only about €2k in the difference between new pajero and landcruiser. 38 v €40k. Sales rep all talk about how fuel efficient the new pajero's are 40+ mpg. Anyways i wont be buying either new, as mentioned earlier it's too much money for just tipping around. I'll see what i can find on carzone, and i'll make sure injectors are done if it's a landcruiser i end up buying. Thanks for the replies.

JOAT

Is it a certain year of landcruisers that gave trouble with the injectors? Or is it after a certain mileage? Bought a 06 swb this time last year but heard nothing about injectors giving trouble!

pakalasa

JOAT wrote: »

Is it a certain year of landcruisers that gave trouble with the injectors? Or is it after a certain mileage? Bought a 06 swb this time last year but heard nothing about injectors giving trouble!

Mine is an '06 SWB and the injector seats had to be done. Ring a Toyota delaer and they can check the Reg No. to see if they were done. Do it right away too. Costly if things go wrong.

JOAT

pakalasa wrote: »

Mine is an '06 SWB and the injector seats had to be done. Ring a Toyota delaer and they can check the Reg No. to see if they were done. Do it right away too. Costly if things go wrong.

Thanks pakalasa. Are toyota covering the cost or whats the story with it? Had you any hassle getting them to sort it out or did you have to pay up yourself for them?

pakalasa

JOAT wrote: »

Thanks pakalasa. Are toyota covering the cost or whats the story with it? Had you any hassle getting them to sort it out or did you have to pay up yourself for them?

I rang a local Toyata dealer. They checked the reg no on the computer database. It was free. Totota pay the dealer for doing it. The engine has to be cold, so you might have to drop it in the night before.
To be honest I didn't know about it either, until a guy drove into the yard one day and asked me if I had them done.

maxxuumman

pakalasa wrote: »

Toyota don't replace the Injectors in the re-call, it's the Injector Seats they replace. They're the washers at the tip of the injectors.

This wasn't a injector seat replacement. ( had that done FOC, on my previous cruiser) . This was a full injector set replacement.
The -08's shouldn't need the seats replaced as the problem was fixed by then.

maxxuumman

yellow50HX wrote: »

if you needed a pasenger model would it not have made more sense to get a crew cab hilux with a canopy, that way you could have the back seats and the commerical tax.

Looked at the hilux but the landcruiser is a much nicer drive, and it is being used as the family car.

maxxuumman

flat out !! wrote: »

I'm thinking of changing jeep in the new yr. My 99 reg 2.8L pajero with high milage owes me nothing, but it will cost a bit to pass next the next doe. So was thinking along the lines of pajero or landcruiser, if not new then only couple of yr's old with low milage. Any advice on what to look for, or maybe more importantly what to avoid.? I wont be doing a huge amount of trailer work with it, but ability to pull when needed is very important. Views on fuel consumption.?

What's very nice is the VW Amorak. If I was to go for anything besides a landy, I'd go for that. Nicest pickup I have driven.

pakalasa

maxxuumman wrote: »

This wasn't a injector seat replacement. ( had that done FOC, on my previous cruiser) . This was a full injector set replacement.
The -08's shouldn't need the seats replaced as the problem was fixed by then.

Ok right. The full injector problem - was that just with your Jeep or was it a full 're-call'.

yellow50HX

maxxuumman wrote: »

Looked at the hilux but the landcruiser is a much nicer drive, and it is being used as the family car.

fair enough. two of my neighbours were in the same boat, one swapped his land cruiser for a hilux so he could bring the kids with him, while his wife has the family car. the other fella swapped his 07 comerical for a 03 passenger land cruiser. again uses it on the farm and does a fair bit of trailer work but also does the school run. hates the idea of paying out a fortune in tax but reckons that as he has the kids in it everyday the extra comfort was worth it.

maxxuumman

pakalasa wrote: »

Ok right. The full injector problem - was that just with your Jeep or was it a full 're-call'.

Not a re-call. Problem may have been caused by poor management by the previous owner. That's what impressed me about Toyota Ireland. They stood over the jeep, even though it was outside warranty, had no service history, and was a non specific problem.

pakalasa

maxxuumman wrote: »

Not a re-call. Problem may have been caused by poor management by the previous owner......

Or dodgy diesel? That is good from Toyota Ireland, in fairness. I get my regular service done with the dealer too. I do low mileage and I want to keep the jeep for a long time. It has just gone over the 100k Km, so still feels new.

Durrus Boy

LC again gets the vote, nearly 8 yrs of trouble free motoring at this stage ( touch-wood) just keep her regularly serviced & between the ditches!!

On a slight tangent, bossman also thinking of changing his jeep to a LC too (obviously!!) but due to the emissions category it's in she doesn't qualify for any capital allowances under the motor vehicle class ( coutesy of the greens!!) I personally don't think that a 4 x 4 is classed under plant and machinery but i'm open to correction....

Can anyone shed any light as this is a big issue??

Lucyn

I bought a SWB pajero brand new in 2007. Disaster. Couldn't get rid of it fast enough. It gave me four years of trouble and cost a fortune. Got rid last year. God help the poor sod that bought it. Maybe I was just unlucky but regretted not going for the landcruiser.

Himself had a L200 at the time and had a bit of trouble too. We now wouldn't touch a mitsubishi if you gave us one for free.

torn_jersey

flat out !! wrote: »

I'm thinking of changing jeep in the new yr. My 99 reg 2.8L pajero with high milage owes me nothing, but it will cost a bit to pass next the next doe. So was thinking along the lines of pajero or landcruiser, if not new then only couple of yr's old with low milage. Any advice on what to look for, or maybe more importantly what to avoid.? I wont be doing a huge amount of trailer work with it, but ability to pull when needed is very important. Views on fuel consumption.?

i have a 2006 landcruiser , had a landrover before that , the landcruiser is a fantastic jeep , never gave a minutes trouble so far and ive gone two years without a service at this stage , none of them are easy on juice but from the POV of resale value and reliability , its hard to beat the toyota

torn_jersey

pakalasa wrote: »

Have you seen the price of Landcruisers recently. I reckon mine has lost only about €2 since I bought it cheap in 2008.

your joking , the arse fell out of jeeps from around 2008 on , unless they have bounced back big time in the past twelve months , their is no way you have only lost 2 k , every ( now broke ) builder and tradesmen in the country had one , most of them ended up on the forecourts of various dealers having been repossessed by the banks

pakalasa

torn_jersey wrote: »

your joking , the arse fell out of jeeps from around 2008 on , unless they have bounced back big time in the past twelve months , their is no way you have only lost 2 k , every ( now broke ) builder and tradesmen in the country had one , most of them ended up on the forecourts of various dealers having been repossessed by the banks

Exactly, I bought it cheap in 2008 after the 'arse fell out of the market'. It wasn't new, but an '06 model.

PS - Was actually 2009 when I got it.

torn_jersey

pakalasa wrote: »

Exactly, I bought it cheap in 2008 after the 'arse fell out of the market'. It wasn't new, but an '06 model.

i bought my 2006 automatic ( which are more expensive ) as a two year old in march 2008 , 28 k miles on the clock and in mint condition , i paid 26 k ( sold a 2003 landrover passenger privatley for 19 k the week earlier ) and i reckon it was worth about half that after not much more than a year , im not complaining , the one i sold would also have dropped like a stone

bob charles

I was looking at a LC passenger this week, guy paid 78k for it new in 06 (he was saying "what the f*ck was I thinking"), todays value around 12k I would think and the guy would have bitten my hand off if I offered that. I relieved him of his commercial LC

vanderbadger

Lucyn wrote: »

I bought a SWB pajero brand new in 2007. Disaster. Couldn't get rid of it fast enough. It gave me four years of trouble and cost a fortune. Got rid last year. God help the poor sod that bought it. Maybe I was just unlucky but regretted not going for the landcruiser.

Himself had a L200 at the time and had a bit of trouble too. We now wouldn't touch a mitsubishi if you gave us one for free.

let me guess, dual mass flywheel..

jomoloney

I am in much the same boat as the Original Poster
<1997 pajero with 400k kms on clock >

a friend recently bought a VW Amarok after been a LC user for years and so far he is more than pleased,
any other users here?

Lucyn

vanderbadger wrote: »

let me guess, dual mass flywheel..

YES! and the manifold and the crank shaft pulley and the starter and and and ....... I could go on but I get annoyed even thinking about it :mad:

vanderbadger

Lucyn wrote: »

YES! and the manifold and the crank shaft pulley and the starter and and and ....... I could go on but I get annoyed even thinking about it :mad:

Crankshaft pulley went. On mine a few months back as well. Master cylinder went. Fixed. Then slave cylinder went :mad:

Lucyn

vanderbadger wrote: »

Crankshaft pulley went. On mine a few months back as well. Master cylinder went. Fixed. Then slave cylinder went :mad:

I feel your pain!

himwdah

Lucyn wrote: »

YES! and the manifold and the crank shaft pulley and the starter and and and ....... I could go on but I get annoyed even thinking about it :mad:

our list is as above but plus a new head then recon the new head, then patch the sump-rotten, injectors heater plugs and to finish off mot had to be renewed, thats only from june this year, very econimacal though only one fill of fuel for 5 months.

its and 04 l200, heard the horror stories after purchase, also when at dealers found out they last serviced it at 190000 but clock only said 90000 odd when we bought it, they had done all work to it from new:mad:

Western Pomise

Isnt it the Landcruisers from 2005 on that arent meant to be a patch on the older models re reliability ,quality of doors etc and fuel economy.

keep going

lots of horror stories on l200 this way as well.seems to nearly get worse as you get newer

reilig

keep going wrote: »

lots of horror stories on l200 this way as well.seems to nearly get worse as you get newer

06 L200 here (New Model) and not a bother on it. We never had to even put a part into it. It pulls about 10,000 miles per year and does very little else. In fact, we couldn't be happier with it as it was cheap enough to buy in the first place.

There are loads of horror stories about the old L200, bit I believe that problems with the New Model L200 (06 on) are mainly caused by neglect!

Suckler

Have a TD5 Discovery and a 300TDi defender - both have had a few minor issues; most annoying was a sensor fault on the disco that could leave you stranded!

Loved driving them both, great power & torque for towing.

Had a Discovery 3 for a while with all the bells and whistles, without doubt the most comfortble drive I've ever had.