Saorview+UPC

DMurr

Feel free to move if this is in the wrong place

I just got a Samsung 22" ES5000 Link to the tv on Samsung.com

We have the old NTL with no set-top box just cable.

I can only get analog stations and no digital ones [RTE,RTE2 HD,TV3 ect]

We have an older walker tv in the kitchen conected to the same feed that picks up the digital stations along with the anolog

What am i missing here ?
I was told the tv was saorview approved
In set up i selected Ireland
It told me it found digital chanals but when i select these all i get is a black screen

djimi

Saorview is nothing to do with UPC or the UPC connection.

If you want to pick up the Saorview channels then you will need to get an aerial into the back of the TV if the TV supports Saorview or a Saorview box if it doesnt. The Saorview channels are seperate from what you pick up from the UPC analogue.

What you are picking up when you try to tune in digital channels is probably the encrypted UPC digital signal. This will not display on your TV without a UPC box and subscription.

DMurr

OK but then why dose the walker pick up both ? thats whats puzzleing me

maxg

What do you get if you select RTE1 digital at your Samsung?

DMurr

There is no RTE to select

In the auto set up it found 18 analog station and no digital tv or radio

when i set up the walker it picked everything up

maxg

Which options did you get for the first channel scan?
Analog, aerial, cable, dvb-t, dvb-c?

djimi

Is the Samsung MPEG4 compatible? I have heard on occasion where peoples UPC cables have acted as an aerial for the Saorview signal, so if the Walker is Saorview (MPEG4) compatible but the Samsung is not then maybe the Walker is picking up the Saorview signal via the UPC cable (not as part of the UPC signal; just a happy coincidence).

maxg

Due to the picture the tv is doing an digital cable scan and there should be a channel list for digital channels at your Samsung after that.
If there is saorview at your line for whatever reason you need a dvb-t (aerial digital) scan.

DMurr

maxg wrote: »

Which options did you get for the first channel scan?
Analog, aerial, cable, dvb-t, dvb-c?

Here is the screen pics




Then this screen where i selected full

DMurr

djimi wrote: »

Is the Samsung MPEG4 compatible? I have heard on occasion where peoples UPC cables have acted as an aerial for the Saorview signal, so if the Walker is Saorview (MPEG4) compatible but the Samsung is not then maybe the Walker is picking up the Saorview signal via the UPC cable (not as part of the UPC signal; just a happy coincidence).

It was my understanding the both TVs were saorview and that meant there was a saorview receiver built in thus negating the need for a saorview set top box

maxg

Select air digital and analog.
If you want to check the digital cable channels first select full and not network at the third screen.

DMurr

Ill go try that so and post back. Thanks

DMurr

Ok so researched selecting Digital&Analog cable and got this


Did the same but switched to Air and i got 18 Analog stations and nothing else

Could it be that the walker picked up the saorview signal by its self but the samsung needs an external aireal to pick it up

maxg

You could try the Samsung at your kitchen wall plate.
Maybe the saorview signal is not strong enough at the other socket.

DMurr

I'v tried that, wanted to replicate everything so the only variable was the tv.
might pop back into the store and see what they have to say

djimi

DMurr wrote: »

Could it be that the walker picked up the saorview signal by its self but the samsung needs an external aireal to pick it up

At a guess Id say that this is the problem alright.

Have you a rabbit ears type aerial lying around? You could try plug it in to the RF port on the TV and try the digital tune again. If the TV is Saorview compatible this should pick up the stations.

maxg

@DMurr
Next idea. After a air scan try a manual digital scan for 546 mhz and check the signal strength and quality.

STB

It is quite clear to me why this is happening.

You are using an old UPC cable run which is going up the walls of the house which is acting as an aerial in one room but not the other.

An Aerial get one. You cant be depending on a length of cable for TV reception.

Capt'n Midnight

There are different ways to transmit a digital TV signal.
DVB-C is for Cable (UPC)
DVB-S is for Satellite
DVB-T is for Terresterial (Saorview)

The 18 analog channels are the basic TV on UPC.

UPC encrypt everything digital apart from RTE1 so even if your TV could decode DVB-C you wouldn't get much.


STICK AN EXTERNAL AERIAL INTO THE TV AND RESCAN.

You have a choice of the 18 analog channels OR the Saorview channels. You can't have both (ok it's possible but requires filters and a lot of knowing what you are doing)

maxg

The question is more like why the tuner doesn't pick up digital channels at all.
Due to the op saorview is receivable via his upc line at a other tv because of bad shielded cables.