pulsar closing sale

kscobie

Guys, pulsar.ie are selling off lots of gear, I got proper instantor spanners for €4 each, and a Milwaukee Contractor kit - 7 bit Self Feed Drill Bit Assortment set for about €97, best timber bits I ever used, until you hit a nail that is

paddym3

is the site still running? i heard the shop in cork went bang few weeks ago and closed down?

kscobie

The website is still online I think

TPM

No the site is down

LIFFY FISHING

It was part of the Grafton group, and they closed it down as part of its cut backs a few weeks ago.

LIFFY FISHING

It was part of the Grafton group, and they closed it down as part of its cut backs a few weeks ago.

Joey the lips

Pulsar were good. There failure was to realise cash is king....

I have a surezone valve. I bet you a tenner i wont get parts now.

Feck that one

LIFFY FISHING

Joey the lips wrote: »

Pulsar were good. There failure was to realise cash is king....

I have a surezone valve. I bet you a tenner i wont get parts now.

Feck that one

Their failure was the junk they brought in from the far east and didnt care about back up for the customer, they are no loss to the trade.

shane0007

LIFFY FISHING wrote: »

It was part of the Grafton group, and they closed it down as part of its cut backs a few weeks ago.

I never knew that. My local Chadwicks is fully stocked with Pulsar pumps. I just thought they bought them in cheap!

spireland32

Davies are part of the Grafton group aswell I think

LIFFY FISHING

spireland32 wrote: »

Davies are part of the Grafton group aswell I think

The Grafton group own : Chadwicks, Heitons, Buckleys, Eddies Hw Drogheda, Davies, Barretts Ballinasloe, Cork Builders Providers & several other 'independents' SO MUCH FOR COMPETITION.......

shane0007

And Heat-o-vent! And Universal Providers in KK.
They control too much and their prices are very much a rip off! I got a 25L expansion vessel last week in a small suppliers in Gorey last week for €30.50 incl vat. I checked my accounts as I bought one in Chadwicks last month and they charged me €45 + vat. Then they ring me asking why I am not buying much from them anymore.

JohnnieK

DPL are alright. There cheaper than heatmerchants for spares too.

LIFFY FISHING

JohnnieK wrote: »

DPL are alright. There cheaper than heatmerchants for spares too.

They are the only independendent family owned buisness group in Ireland in the supply group & its up to the trade to support Irish jobs

shane0007

LIFFY FISHING wrote: »

They are the only independendent family owned buisness group in Ireland in the supply group & its up to the trade to support Irish jobs

That's a bit of an odd statement. Does Chadwicks & Heatmerchants and others alike not support Irish jobs?

corkgsxr

JohnnieK wrote: »

DPL are alright. There cheaper than heatmerchants for spares too.

Dpl are good for prices, but bad when ordering stuff

Heatmerchents, are good prices, but sometimes needs abit of debating. Good for phone and ordering

International are decent prices, **** to ring, good for small awkward parts.

Cbp are ok all round. Can be good prices.

Mainly use Heatmerchents myself

shane0007

I usually have to have a large jar of vasoline handy when going into Heatmerchants.

corkgsxr

shane0007 wrote: »

I usually have to have a large jar of vasoline handy when going into Heatmerchants.

Have to know them well to get good prices and have no problem saying such a place is so much

Eg worchester bosch junior combi.

Phone 1200 ish

Went in "where ya going with that price inter are 1060"

Tappy tappy on computer ok so 1027

shane0007

Yeah but tappy tappy on the computer still gets vaseline out as I was getting on average of about €1,500 per month in over charges. They would tell you one thing over the counter but a different price gets put on the account.
I would buy an item for say €20 one day and buy the same item the next day for €35. Copper was always their favourite as the excuse always came out, copper prices fluctuate. Not that flamin' quick they don't and they are not buying it in that quick.

corkgsxr

shane0007 wrote: »

Yeah but tappy tappy on the computer still gets vaseline out as I was getting on average of about €1,500 per month in over charges. They would tell you one thing over the counter but a different price gets put on the account.
I would buy an item for say €20 one day and buy the same item the next day for €35. Copper was always their favourite as the excuse always came out, copper prices fluctuate. Not that flamin' quick they don't and they are not buying it in that quick.

Mm iv not found a account that don't need to be watched.


Worst for price changes is stainless. If I quote you today you have 2 weeks to have have the stainless in hand. Else it's new price

LIFFY FISHING

shane0007 wrote: »

That's a bit of an odd statement. Does Chadwicks & Heatmerchants and others alike not support Irish jobs?

Heatmerchants just f. Ked the Irish suppliers trade over before its current take over for 100s k in unpaid debts, took a lot of suppliers to the brink, & want to continue as they owed nothing....

shane0007

LIFFY FISHING wrote: »

Heatmerchants just f. Ked the Irish suppliers trade over before its current take over for 100s k in unpaid debts, took a lot of suppliers to the brink, & want to continue as they owed nothing....

Fair point

jimf

LIFFY FISHING wrote: »

The Grafton group own : Chadwicks, Heitons, Buckleys, Eddies Hw Drogheda, Davies, Barretts Ballinasloe, Cork Builders Providers & several other 'independents' SO MUCH FOR COMPETITION.......

surely the competition authority shoud not allow that kind of ****e to happen
what chance for fair trade

LIFFY FISHING

jimf wrote: »

surely the competition authority shoud not allow that kind of ****e to happen
what chance for fair trade

Its all ready happened & when Heatmerchants went tits up Grafton went after them as well, except for the Consortium of Hevac & an investment company gods know what sh*t would b going on. Grafton own Plumb base in the UK, & are trying to set up here as well.

shane0007

LIFFY FISHING wrote: »

Grafton own Plumb base in the UK, & are trying to set up here as well.

Yeah, that's right. I got a letter from them today.

jimjimt

I heard today Heatovent are goners and another Chadwicks branch ?

LIFFY FISHING

jimjimt wrote: »

I heard today Heatovent are goners and another Chadwicks branch ?

Lots of talk about, wouldnt read too much into it, there is already a game plan in place, so dont be surprised what happens

shane0007

LIFFY FISHING wrote: »

Lots of talk about, wouldnt read too much into it, there is already a game plan in place, so dont be surprised what happens

Do you work for them?

LIFFY FISHING

shane0007 wrote: »

Do you work for them?

Nope
But I do have senior trade knowledge & would be very familuar with whats happening in the trade, spent over 30 years in it so far , god help me.

LIFFY FISHING

jimjimt wrote: »

I heard today Heatovent are goners and another Chadwicks branch ?

Heatovent closing the end of the month & word out there now that 5 Chadwicks branches nationwide to close by year end .

shane0007

LIFFY FISHING wrote: »

Heatovent closing the end of the month & word out there now that 5 Chadwicks branches nationwide to close by year end .

Do you know which 5? I heard rumours that Kilkenny was closing!

JohnnieK

Heatovent closing too, for f sake. Soon there will be only heatmerchants left. Thank god for little places like plumb it.

shane0007

JohnnieK wrote: »

Heatovent closing too, for f sake. Soon there will be only heatmerchants left. Thank god for little places like plumb it.

Better stock up on lube!

Billy Bunting

shane0007 wrote: »

Yeah but tappy tappy on the computer still gets vaseline out as I was getting on average of about €1,500 per month in over charges. They would tell you one thing over the counter but a different price gets put on the account.
I would buy an item for say €20 one day and buy the same item the next day for €35. Copper was always their favourite as the excuse always came out, copper prices fluctuate. Not that flamin' quick they don't and they are not buying it in that quick.

Thats why i gave up on then, for the second time!! they wont get another.

shane0007

I still have not learned. I still have an account and still use them for certain bits. Have an account with Chadwicks and DPL also. DPL are the best. Still have to watch them all. Last month, between them all, I had over €2,000 worth of over-charges. I am going to charge them booking keeping hours from now on.

jimf

shane0007 wrote: »

I still have not learned. I still have an account and still use them for certain bits. Have an account with Chadwicks and DPL also. DPL are the best. Still have to watch them all. Last month, between them all, I had over €2,000 worth of over-charges. I am going to charge them booking keeping hours from now on.

shane dont pay any invoice that has an overcharge on it they wont take long to cop on 2000eu invoice with 50eu overcharge let em wait for total amount

and id say you would be well within your rights

maybe a little note with your next cheque to that effect and their prewarned

after all prices agreed are what should appear on your invoices

shane0007

If I do that my bills will just be double for the next month and my bills are big enough as it is. The only time is stops for a while is when I go in to close the account and they do a bit of kissing, but it soon starts again. I reckon they are on a commission for over-charges.

It just wears me out, constantly fighting with them. For example, I ordered a boiler, unknowing to me, when I ordered the boiler, they put it on my account, then when I collected it, they put it on my account a second time for the same boiler.
Sometimes, I wonder is it best to pay them with sausage & mash and close all accounts but just just plays havoc with stock and the lads getting gear.

jimf

i knew a rep who worked for a big company was on **** wages but great commission
he told me overcharges were a great way to get his figures up for the old x mas bonus then took the hit in january with all the credit notes he had to issue

DGOBS

JK, why are heatovent closing? Is it something to do with the new (ex-hm) set up?

shane0007

DGOBS wrote: »

JK, why are heatovent closing? Is it something to do with the new (ex-hm) set up?

I was in Chadwicks and was talking to the Manager. He said yes H-O-V was closing but they were keeping a small section open for boiler spares open. The rest will be dispensed through the Chadwicks branches.

jimjimt

Cash is King as in pay for goods upfront for the real deals.

gdavis

chadwicks rang me and asked wherei bought boiler parts,i said heatovent and they wanted to know why i drove past chadwicks to ngo there!i told them its because of the good prices heatovent give me and ur man assured me that from now on they will match them!

shane0007

jimjimt wrote: »

Cash is King as in pay for goods upfront for the real deals.

I'm giving them €12k - €15k per month. Carrying that kind of cash around would not be sensible.

jimjimt

What hardwares and shops consider a cash sale is,
getting paid up front wither it is cash , cheque credit card and not a big roll of cash.
All your monthly repetitive orders could be paid for up front and watch the prices drop.
Invoice their and then.
With that turn over your the biggest plumber in the country.

shane0007

jimjimt wrote: »

What hardwares and shops consider a cash sale is,
getting paid up front wither it is cash , cheque credit card and not a big roll of cash.
All your monthly repetitive orders could be paid for up front and watch the prices drop.
Invoice their and then.

Not really applicable when dealing with those volumes, costs and payment terms. I do a lot of work for a large national company and I am generally waiting 60 days or more for payment. If I was paying out €3k - €4k out every week and not getting that money back in for 60 days or more, on top of that weekly wage bill for staff, all other running costs, I would fold within weeks. Banks will not give credit, nor over-drafts so without suppliers credit, I would be closing up shop.
Saying that, private clients work is a pleasure as payment is received upon completion of work and without that, wages being paid would be a severe struggle.

To top it all, Revenue rang me personally as they owed me a VAT refund of €1,000 and I had to send them an itemised break down of every single transaction to justify the refund of the money that was rightfully owed.

The joys of business. To be honest, it is getting harder and harder to keep a spring in my step.

jimjimt wrote: »

With that turn over your the biggest plumber in the country.

Not at all. Plenty of friends of mine in the same business are doing a lot bigger turnovers than me. I employ 2 people plus myself and I have to generate enough business to pay for their wages and mine week in week out, add that to the material cost needed to generate that volume of work and you end up with a considerable sums, so really it is not that big when it is broken down.

TPM

There is a big difference between turnover and profit.
Its easy to turnover money but actually making money is a lot harder

shane0007

Very true. For example, last year my diesel bill was €12,500. How do you bill that into your quotations along with all the other "non-chargeable" costs, such as insurance, employer's prsi, sick pay, holiday pay, etc. etc.
On the other hand, it is better than sitting at home and it is very enjoyable work (hmmm.. sometimes!)

anuprising

you add all your fixed costs up from last year and add on 10 %( wages vans diesel etc)- this is your estimated fixed costs for the forward year - divide by 46 to get weekly fixed cost , per person per van or per company .divide this by 5 to get daily figure divide by 8 to get hourly figure etc this figure is what you know it will cost you just to show up . then do your variable costs , materials etc . add two together and you get your break even point . anything above this is profit .

shane0007

anuprising wrote: »

you add all your fixed costs up from last year and add on 10 %( wages vans diesel etc)- this is your estimated fixed costs for the forward year - divide by 46 to get weekly fixed cost , per person per van or per company .divide this by 5 to get daily figure divide by 8 to get hourly figure etc this figure is what you know it will cost you just to show up . then do your variable costs , materials etc . add two together and you get your break even point . anything above this is profit .

That sounds absolutely wonderful, except I am competing against Mr €1,500 Hang It On The Wall & If It Lights It's A Good 'Un.

anuprising

yes but to run successfully long term you have to know exactly what each day is costing you even if you don't get a job in , bills still have to be paid . you will be around a lot longer than the 1500 quid merchants .

shane0007

anuprising wrote: »

yes but to run successfully long term you have to know exactly what each day is costing you even if you don't get a job in , bills still have to be paid . you will be around a lot longer than the 1500 quid merchants .

Oh I know exactly how much each day is costing me, amn't I paying for it everyday out of my pocket!