Adult refugee programme offers redundancy

longlooker

Hi

The tutors on the Adult Refugee Programme, which is set to end at the end of the year are being offered enhanced redundancy. Does anyone know what this means exactly. For instance:

If we accept redundancy , can we at any time in the future be employed/ be given hours by a VEC again?

If I have a CID, can I accept redundancy from ARP, and apply for or be hired back/given hours again?

Or, if I accept redundancy and am hired back do my CID hours start from where I left off, or do I start from year 1 , so to speak, again. I am about to enter ear 3 of employment, and so am trying to figure out the best option for me

My line manager is not much help, she is being very evasive. Can anyone advise

spurious

Are you not employed by the VEC? Why are the ARP offering you redundancy?

longlooker

Hi


I don't know. Have not got the details yet. My understanding is that Arp is offering redundancy but maybe it is the VEC. Difficult to get info and hard to believe anything you are told!

spurious

If it is the VEC (and I think it is), get onto the local Branch of the TUI. It doesn't matter if you are a member or not. If people are being made redundant by their employer, it will be a concern of theirs.

The VEC would have plenty other places to assign teachers to (schools, prisons, community workshops etc.). No need for redundancies.

spacebar

hi as a teacher on the ARP, all I can say is that so far there has been no clarification from the TUI as to my status, and that i have been waiting since the announcement to actually have a meeting with anybody from the union.
If I was a conspiracy theorist perhaps I would actually feel that the union is sitting on their hands so as not to have to confront the Dept of Ed about redundant teachers as this would break the Croke Park Agreement which would in turn necessitiate a renegotiation for CPA 2. As there seems to be widespread disenchantment with the teaching unions at the moment perhaps many teachers would vote for strike action which could lead to a complete change of union personnel and or new unions being formed, but that couldn't be true......

spurious

Are you employed by the VEC?
If you are employed by the VEC it is the TUI's business.
Have you brought your situation up at your local Branch?
Your local branch will be the one people leave their part-time returns into.

If this is City of Dublin VEC, PM me and I will get it brought up.

spacebar

hi spurious,
yes I am employed by CDVEC,yes it is the TUI's business and yes the matter has been raised with my branch.
thanks for the offer to bring it up, however at the recent branch meeting the imminent redundancy of union members came in on motion number 11 on the agenda. There was no debate. If the TUI in Dublin feels that the election of treasurers etc is more important and should be dealt with before redundancies perhaps you may understand my frustration with my elected and paid for union representatives.

spurious

spacebar wrote: »

hi spurious,
yes I am employed by CDVEC,yes it is the TUI's business and yes the matter has been raised with my branch.
thanks for the offer to bring it up, however at the recent branch meeting the imminent redundancy of union members came in on motion number 11 on the agenda. There was no debate. If the TUI in Dublin feels that the election of treasurers etc is more important and should be dealt with before redundancies perhaps you may understand my frustration with my elected and paid for union representatives.

In fairness, the October meeting is always the AGM in Branches and officers have to be elected. It can only be done at that meeting.

The next Branch meeting is quite soon. I recommend you go in numbers. I will alert the reps from our school to ask for your motion if it is not reached.

spacebar

hi longlooker, PM me and we can swop arp stories

dorjay

I have just been offered enhanced redundancy after my lay off from ARP Program in Dec 2012 on condition that I DON'T apply for a job in the public sector until Jan 2014.This is crazy.I was let go and have been unemployed since.Help:mad:

spacebar

hi, it all sounds like a bit of a 'mare both for you and for the vast majority of the ARP teachers who were landed in it just before Christmas. the silence surrounding the laying off of approx. 40 (?) teachers in the middle of the academic term has been deafening. Where do the employers think the staff are going to get work when 99% of courses start in Sept. of any year?
allied to this is the situation where the ARP students were, in my VEC anyway, told that their courses were finishing early and invited to apply for new courses which wouldn't be starting for another 9 months. Of course the vast majority of the courses they would be suitable for, ESOL etc have been massively withdrawn in light of budgetary concerns.
I always felt that this was in breach of the FETAC requirements for providers which are intended to ensure continuation of service where courses/classes are suddenly withdrawn before their scheduled completion.
Sorry but none of this addresses your plea for help with enhanced redundancy terms, have you received any info from the unions in this regard? I have heard that some VEC's nationwide have moved their own ARP teachers into different positions, whether this sets an applicable precedent I don't know

dorjay

Hi

Thanks for your response.
According to one of my ARP Dublin colleagues most ARP ERS were moved to other programs and there were only 6 discarded (I'd love to get hold of this information)She is a Union member and they are NOT INTERESTED in our plight.
Unlike me,she was not offered enhanced redundancy and HR in a Dublin VEC are not interested!
If there are any other ARP people out there will you tell us what has happened to your careers since the program ended.I really would appreciate it.:)

Peteypike

Does anyone know anything about the Roin Leslie LRC case. She won it and good luck to her. She got teacher status . Does ths Mean that all those working on ArP, now gone, will get this status ?

Peteypike

dorjay wrote: »

Hi

Thanks for your response.
According to one of my ARP Dublin colleagues most ARP ERS were moved to other programs and there were only 6 discarded (I'd love to get hold of this information)She is a Union member and they are NOT INTERESTED in our plight.
Unlike me,she was not offered enhanced redundancy and HR in a Dublin VEC are not interested!
If there are any other ARP people out there will you tell us what has happened to your careers since the program ended.I really would appreciate it.:)

Hi. Dorjay

Well, some were given CID and others were let go. But, did you read the roisin lesle LRC case. I recommend you read it. You may be due some back pay. ...herd that some Ap tutors were recently awarded teacher contracts on foot of this. I think in Waterford

dorjay

Hi Peter Pike

I informed an ARP COLLEAGUE WHO Worked FOR A Dublin VEC. Initially her line manager and union knew nothing but eventually (THROUGH HASSLING) she got a letter like myself of enhanced redundancy notice (MINE ARRIVED WITHOUT ANY NOTICE). But I haven't heard anything since! will have to call my country VEC today for update.

In relation to Leslie Case there is normally a cooling off period where VEC's can challenge out comes as soon as that has expired according to my ARP friend (who is a member of the union)the union will begin to act on her behalf.

Please tell me where you got the info on the ARP TUTORS FROM Waterford. I want to find out more before approaching my VEC. In my case I haven't worked since Dec 2012 so my case is clear for enhanced redundancy. My friend subbed for another VEC BUT IS STILL going to get her entitled enhanced redundancy

wILL KEEP YOU POSTED

Peteypike

dorjay wrote: »

Hi Peter Pike

I informed an ARP COLLEAGUE WHO Worked FOR A Dublin VEC. Initially her line manager and union knew nothing but eventually (THROUGH HASSLING) she got a letter like myself of enhanced redundancy notice (MINE ARRIVED WITHOUT ANY NOTICE). But I haven't heard anything since! will have to call my country VEC today for update.

In relation to Leslie Case there is normally a cooling off period where VEC's can challenge out comes as soon as that has expired according to my ARP friend (who is a member of the union)the union will begin to act on her behalf.

Please tell me where you got the info on the ARP TUTORS FROM Waterford. I want to find out more before approaching my VEC. In my case I haven't worked since Dec 2012 so my case is clear for enhanced redundancy. My friend subbed for another VEC BUT IS STILL going to get her entitled enhanced redundancy

wILL KEEP YOU POSTED

Hi

Heard about Waterford through a colleague in Dublin- your union rep should be able to talk to the union person in Waterford. I hear she is the person to speak to.

dorjay

I need to know who out there other than myself and another ARP Tutor was 'let go .
Apparently rumour has it that most were redeployed except for 4 of us!!

If that is deemed true then I will raise this issue with my VEC of past and the coordinators of the ARP PROGRAM

So if you know anybody who is in the same position as me please pass on my details so that I can contact them directly.

I am still waiting for the enhanced redundancy cheque but my ARP Tutor colleague has received hers.:pac: