Why don't we celebrate Guy Fawkes?

Mint Sauce

Over in London at the mo, and there has been fireworks going off all weekend in the parks and commons, acompanied by bonfires in some.

The above question was raised over lunch today, why dont we celebrate it. He was of course a catholic who tried to blow up the Houses of Parlament. I thought that kinda thing would be praised by some aspects of the irish community.

:pac:

TheBody

irish-stew wrote: »

Over in London at the mo, and there has been fireworks going off all weekend in the parks and commons, acompanied by bonfires in some.

The above question was raised over lunch today, why dont we celebrate it. He was of course an Irish man who tried to blow up the Houses of Parlament. I thought that kinda thing would be praised by some aspects of the irish community.

:pac:

They burn an effigy of him.

maximoose

Fawke knows.

jam_mac_jam

Did somebody really ask you that? I don't think he was Irish anyway catholic but not Irish.

AgentOraiste

We irish dont give a Fawke

Mint Sauce

TheBody wrote: »

They burn an effigy of him.

That represents his execution though, thought we could have taken on celebrating his attempts to blow the place up though.

Scioch

He wasnt Irish and they aint celebrating him they are celebrating killing him and its primarily a "fcuk Catholicism" kinda thing.

Not really our cup of tea I'd say.

MissFlitworth

irish-stew wrote: »

The above question was raised over lunch today, why dont we celebrate it.He was of course a catholic who tried to blow up the Houses of Parlament. I thought that kinda thing would be praised by some aspects of the irish community.

They're celebrating that he was stopped, caught, tortured and executed, not that he nearly got away with it

Lenin Skynard

Sure lets celebrate Bastille day and Thanksgiving while we're at it.

TheBody

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Did somebody really ask you that? I don't think he was Irish anyway catholic but not Irish.

Wikipedia says he was born in York.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes

Sparks43

Because he was a Brit

Case closed

Thread=Damp Squib

jam_mac_jam

I sometimes wonder do English people know we are a different country? I was asked last year why we didn't get a day off for the royal wedding. They should learn a little of their history.

Seaneh

irish-stew wrote: »

why dont we celebrate it.

Because he was english and he failed?

philologos

Sparks43 wrote: »

Because he was a Brit

Case closed

Thread=Damp Squib

So was Patrick

Mint Sauce

Scioch wrote: »

He wasnt Irish and they aint celebrating him they are celebrating killing him and its primarily a "fcuk Catholicism" kinda thing.

Not really our cup of tea I'd say.

I know it was to celebrate the killing off him, I was talking about an irish stance on the thing though. To correct my self though, got the religion/nationallty thing mixed up hence my quick edit.

I should really say at this point, I dont support terrorism, this thread is purely tounge in check.

subway

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guy_Fawkes_Night

Its not really v for vendetta night...

steve9859

Scioch wrote: »

its primarily a "fcuk Catholicism" kinda thing.

Yes, because all school kids who stuff straw and old newspapers into some old clothes on 5th November are actually expressing their anti Catholicism.....

Seaneh

philologos wrote: »

So was Patrick

Patrick at least lived here and actually gave a toss about Ireland.

Fawkes was just and English Catholic who supported a Catholic king.

Lapin

irish-stew wrote: »

He was of course a catholic who tried to blow up the Houses of Parlament.

2 perfect reasons not to celebrate the nutter.

jam_mac_jam

irish-stew wrote: »

I know it was to celebrate the killing off him, I was talking about an irish stance on the thing though. To correct my self though, got the religion/nationallty thing mixed up hence my quick edit.

I should really say at this point, I dont support terrorism, this thread is purely tounge in check.

Why would we have any stance on it? Should we also celebrate the 8th May or Bastille day, its nothing to do with us.

candy-gal1

Watched this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c8UtojJT8ts

in celebration of today, only saw it first recently, awesome movie as hadnt a clue what to expect!

El_Dangeroso

Sparks43 wrote: »

Because he was a Brit

Case closed

Thread=Damp Squib

Interesting factoid: A squib is a firework, therefore the term 'Damp Squib' means a firework that doesn't go off. How apropos for the day that's in it.:)

Mint Sauce

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

Why would we have any stance on it? Should we also celebrate the 8th May or Bastille day, its nothing to do with us.

It wasn't a serious conversation, more of a p!sstake on the thing.

Sparks43

El_Dangeroso wrote: »

Interesting factoid: A squib is a firework, therefore the term 'Damp Squib' means a firework that doesn't go off. How apropos for the day that's in it.:)

Wow

Scioch

steve9859 wrote: »

Yes, because all school kids who stuff straw into some old clothes on 5th November are actually expressing their anti Catholicism.....

Kids are stupid, they like fires and noise. The celebration itself is simply the left over fanfare of an anti catholic/burn the traitor to the crown crap.

Not really anything at all for Irish people to row in behind now is it ?.

El_Dangeroso

Sparks43 wrote: »

Wow

OK

Downlinz

It's threads like this that makes after hours insufferable these days. Why is this place so obsessed with Britain? Why does everything that country does have to be contexualised and examined for relevancy here? Why that one country and no place else on the planet?
On the first two pages we've a thread about Poppie, a thread on Guy Fawkes, two on british footballers, another on Britains invasion history, one on a program about gambling in Britain, another on a British celebrity pedophile.

It's pathetic and ongoing. Just rename this board "British culture discussion" and give the rest of us a social board to talk about relevant things.

An Coilean

irish-stew wrote: »

Over in London at the mo, and there has been fireworks going off all weekend in the parks and commons, acompanied by bonfires in some.

The above question was raised over lunch today, why dont we celebrate it. He was of course a catholic who tried to blow up the Houses of Parlament. I thought that kinda thing would be praised by some aspects of the irish community.

:pac:

Sounds like the kind of guy whos life should be celebrated

AgentOraiste

An Coilean wrote: »

Sounds like the kind of guy whos life should be celebrated

Many who did similar things are known as terrorists and got jobs in Stormount

asherbassad

TheBody wrote: »

They burn an effigy of him.

Same reason we don't celebrate Bastille Day. It's nothing to fcuking do with us.

gobnaitolunacy

Apparantly he was the only man to enter Parliament with honest intentions.

Death and Taxes

irish-stew wrote: »

Over in London at the mo, and there has been fireworks going off all weekend in the parks and commons, acompanied by bonfires in some.

The above question was raised over lunch today, why dont we celebrate it. He was of course a catholic who tried to blow up the Houses of Parlament. I thought that kinda thing would be praised by some aspects of the irish community.

:pac:

Maybe because what they are celebrating in the UK is that he failed, which is why they burn an effigy of him on the bonfire!
Remember, remember, the 5th of November
The Gunpowder Treason and plot;
I see of no reason why Gunpowder Treason
Should ever be forgot.
Hardly anything there for the Irish to celebrate!

Wibbs

Well it's also a great excuse for letting off rockets and having a knees up. After all when the culture went Protestant they lost most of the traditional religious holidays, so all saints' day would be right out and halloween would be a tad pagan for your more puritan types. Boxing day instead of st Stephen's day would be another example.

Sunnyisland

This Guy Fawkes dude had nothing to do with us. Morning ;-)

Dr Bob

asherbassad wrote: »

Same reason we don't celebrate Bastille Day. It's nothing to fcuking do with us.

this.

...plus while I might like our neighbours to the east a lot , the whole burn-a-catholic in effigy thing still makes me a little uneasy, even if its old history.
If they change it to burn-a-dummy-dressed-asJimmy-Saville-night though I'm all in.

gbee

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

I sometimes wonder do English people know we are a different country? I was asked last year why we didn't get a day off for the royal wedding. They should learn a little of their history.

Well founded opinion in fact as the Royal Wedding attracted apparently the entire watching republic TV viewers

gobnaitolunacy

Dr Bob wrote: »

this.

...plus while I might like our neighbours to the east a lot , the whole burn-a-catholic in effigy thing still makes me a little uneasy, even if its old history.
If they change it to burn-a-dummy-dressed-asJimmy-Saville-night though I'm all in.

They're burning Lance instead.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2227729/Bonfire-Night-Effigy-drugs-cheat-Lance-Armstrong-burned-stake.html?ito=feeds-newsxml

anncoates

Guy Fawkes is actually an awesome name.

Fratton Fred

Dr Bob wrote: »

this.

...plus while I might like our neighbours to the east a lot , the whole burn-a-catholic in effigy thing still makes me a little uneasy, even if its old history.
If they change it to burn-a-dummy-dressed-asJimmy-Saville-night though I'm all in.

It started off with burning an effigy of the Pope, I thought that would be more AH style:D

anncoates

Downlinz wrote: »

It's threads like this that makes after hours insufferable these days. Why is this place so obsessed with Britain? Why does everything that country does have to be contexualised and examined for relevancy here? Why that one country and no place else on the planet?
On the first two pages we've a thread about Poppie, a thread on Guy Fawkes, two on british footballers, another on Britains invasion history, one on a program about gambling in Britain, another on a British celebrity pedophile.

It's pathetic and ongoing. Just rename this board "British culture discussion" and give the rest of us a social board to talk about relevant things.

Geographical and political colonisation goes but minds remind colonised.

Sunnyisland

anncoates wrote: »

Guy Fawkes is actually an awesome name.

Rather have Guy Knives

Scioch

realies wrote: »

Rather have Guy Knives

Or Gal Knives ?


Guy Fawkes and Gal Knives sounds likes two Bostan gangstas.

Rascasse

realies wrote: »

This Guy Fawkes dude had nothing to do with us. Morning ;-)

Except the fact he tried to assassinate the King of Ireland. James being the King that united the three crowns of Scotland, England and Ireland - hence triple crown in rugby.

Canis Lupus

Downlinz wrote: »

It's threads like this that makes after hours insufferable these days. Why is this place so obsessed with Britain? Why does everything that country does have to be contexualised and examined for relevancy here? Why that one country and no place else on the planet?
On the first two pages we've a thread about Poppie, a thread on Guy Fawkes, two on british footballers, another on Britains invasion history, one on a program about gambling in Britain, another on a British celebrity pedophile.

It's pathetic and ongoing. Just rename this board "British culture discussion" and give the rest of us a social board to talk about relevant things.

They're our next door neighbour and we're intrinsically linked with them whether some people like it or not. You got a problem? Start your own amazing and fascinating thread. I'm sure everyone will post in it.

Matt_Trakker

Downlinz wrote: »

It's threads like this that makes after hours insufferable these days. Why is this place so obsessed with Britain? Why does everything that country does have to be contexualised and examined for relevancy here? Why that one country and no place else on the planet?
On the first two pages we've a thread about Poppie, a thread on Guy Fawkes, two on british footballers, another on Britains invasion history, one on a program about gambling in Britain, another on a British celebrity pedophile.

It's pathetic and ongoing. Just rename this board "British culture discussion" and give the rest of us a social board to talk about relevant things.

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