Mclaren's reliability

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I wouldn't be the biggest Lewis Hamilton fan but I find it strange that a normally reliable car has suddenly broken a lot since Lewis announced he is going to Mercedes. I find it hard to believe a team like mclaren would engage sabotaging the competition for themselves but it does seem unusual.

Myrddin

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I find it strange that a normally reliable car has suddenly broken a lot since Lewis announced he is going to Mercedes. I find it hard to believe a team like mclaren would engage sabotaging the competition for themselves but it does seem unusual.

I normally hate this emoticon, but I think its use is warranted here man...:rolleyes:

Cmon, in the real world of money & sponsors, a winning car is king

-gilly-09-

McClaren's reliability is an issue, but not by their own making. Im sure they want lewis to go out on a high as much as he does.

cadaliac

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I wouldn't be the biggest Lewis Hamilton fan but I find it strange that a normally reliable car has suddenly broken a lot since Lewis announced he is going to Mercedes. I find it hard to believe a team like mclaren would engage sabotaging the competition for themselves but it does seem unusual.

Why, pray tell, would they do that to themselves?
They have poor reliability and the team isn't the same since Ron Denis left. Lewis could see no future there and made a change. I don't particularly like LH either, but he made the right choice for his career.
McLaren are not the force they once were.

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EnterNow wrote: »

I normally hate this emoticon, but I think its use is warranted here man...:rolleyes:

Cmon, in the real world of money & sponsors, a winning car is king

But do you not find it strange they are breaking down a lot recently gearbox in Singapore, rollbar problem in India and now fuel pump in Abu Dhabi all since he's announced he's out of there

You can see his race results here http://www.planetf1.com/lewis-hamilton

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endplate wrote: »

But do you not find it strange they are breaking down a lot recently gearbox in Singapore, rollbar problem in India and now fuel pump in Abu Dhabi all since he's announced he's out of there

No because Button has also been having issues and Hamilton had issues before he said he was off.

Jordan 199

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But do you not find it strange they are breaking down a lot recently gearbox in Singapore, rollbar problem in India and now fuel pump in Abu Dhabi all since he's announced he's out of there

You can see his race results here http://www.planetf1.com/lewis-hamilton

Rear suspension problem in Japan, rollbar problem was in Korea. He had reliability problems in the last 4/5 races.

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No because Button has also been having issues and Hamilton had issues before he said he was off.

Yes indeed. But Hamilton fared worse when it came to car reliability this year.

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Jordan 191 wrote: »

Rear suspension problem in Japan, rollbar problem was in Korea. He had reliability problems in the last 4/5 races.

Thanks getting my races mixed up. The curse of too many races in a season:D

Myrddin

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Yes indeed. But Hamilton fared worse when it came to car reliability this year.

It's like Webber though, usually though if there's a problem its his car that gets it. It will be Schumacher who suffers most at Merc due to tech issues too at Merc, & so on.

Hamilton has been beset with technical problems, pitstop crew errors, the fueling error etc...rather than see a conspiracy, I see it as a shame really, because they can make a genuinely fast car.

the culture of deference

It has cost Lewis the championship this year. He was on a great roll.

Ghost Train

I think it might have been Eddie Jordan or Martin Brundle who pointed to them taking their eye off the ball the years around when they launched production cars, might be something in that.

Was interesting to hear in this weekends commentry that Webber has gone 30 races without a technical failure

Kimi also had some terrible reliability with McLaren during his time there, so nothing new really

Don't think McLaren would have anything to gain by messing Lewis about, wins seems to be what the team value so why would they throw them away. Pity that they've had such a bad year with reliability, would have been great to see three teams and drivers fight for the championship these last two races

mickdw

I dont think its such a far out theory that Hamilton might be pushed to the side since his decision to leave. He was acting the prick in the run up to the decision so I can only assume that there was a serious fall out internally at Maclaren. Is it so strange to think that someone at the top might have said, he will never win another race at Maclaren or that he will never score another point at Maclaren.

Max_Charger

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I dont think its such a far out theory that Hamilton might be pushed to the side since his decision to leave. He was acting the prick in the run up to the decision so I can only assume that there was a serious fall out internally at Maclaren. Is it so strange to think that someone at the top might have said, he will never win another race at Maclaren or that he will never score another point at Maclaren.

For every point Lewis scores in the championship, McLaren receive money. For every point Lewis scores for McLaren in the constructors championship, McLaren receive money. So to think that someone "at the top" made a decision to deliberately lose money, while still spend millions running the car is, in my opinion, the stupidest thing I've read on this forum in a while.

Myrddin

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For every point Lewis scores in the championship, McLaren receive money. For every point Lewis scores for McLaren in the constructors championship, McLaren receive money. So to think that someone "at the top" made a decision to deliberately lose money, while still spend millions running the car is, in my opinion, the stupidest thing I've read on this forum in a while.

Sorry lads, I'd have to agree with this. Money talks, & this is the real world.

mickdw

Id normally agree but it will be interesting to see how the next 2 races go.

the culture of deference

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Don't think McLaren would have anything to gain by messing Lewis about, wins seems to be what the team value so why would they throw them away. Pity that they've had such a bad year with reliability, would have been great to see three teams and drivers fight for the championship these last two races

McLaren always want to win. They would never sabotage a car.


I think Lewis would have been 40 points ahead of Seb now without the reliability issues. There is a thread on planetf1 about it.

ratedR

McLaren have been their own worst enemy for the past 10 years or so. More so since Ron stepped down. From reliability problems, to terrible strategy calls, to messed up pitstops, to sulky drivers and even the whole spygate incident.

These are all the reasons why they have haven't won the Constructors Championship since 1998, which when you look at the drivers they've had there in that time, and the wins and points they've racked up, is completely unacceptable. There's something very rotten at the core of McLaren, something or someone at the top needs to change.

I find talk of sabotage ridiculous though. Points mean prizes, or money in this case.

Alter-Ego

McLaren have a history of ruining the title chances of some very good drivers due to a ridiculously unreliable car. How many hydraulics or engine failures did Kimi have during his time there?

jordainius

Lewis has 5 DNF's so far this season compared to Jenson's 4. In 2011 it was 3-2 to Lewis and in 2010 it was 4-2 to Lewis.

McLaren are just having a bad year in terms of reliability- 9 DNF's so far this year; Red Bull have had 11 DNF's in the last 3 seasons combined.

(I know some of those DNF's were down to driver error but I'm not willing to look up the exact nature of every DNF:D)

No way in a million years McLaren are sabotaging Lewis, the 50 points from potential/probable race wins in singapore would probably have them ahead of Ferrari in the race for second in the constructors championship and the extra prizemoney that comes with finishing higher up the standings. Now, they're very unlikely to finish second unless Ferrari go to pieces.

jordainius

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Lewis has 5 DNF's so far this season compared to Jenson's 4. In 2011 it was 3-2 to Lewis and in 2010 it was 4-2 to Lewis.

Last year and the year before some of Lewis's retirements were his own fault, Button had more failures I think.

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McLaren must have read this thread and said uh oh they are copping on to us:D.

Good win by Lewis (agh hate saying that) today