Gas Boiler timer switch issue

supersaint3

Hi lads, I'm having a little grief with my boiler, serviced this year. I've included a photo, although I have the manual it doesn't give any model number, the make is a Simi

It's 7 years old and works perfectly, just no longer off the timer which as you can imagine makes the place a little cold say frst thing 6am in the morning when you're up for work and you didn't want to leave it on all night or get up at 5 to turn it on!

link to image:

http://www.freeimagehosting.net/ycfub

ok so the little pip goes down to I for full time heating, stops in the middle for timer, or goes up to 0 for off, I reckon something must be gone wrong in there...

Would anyone be able to PM me a recommendation for someone who could repair this, or an idea as to what could be the problem, I mean could I take it apart myself is it just a spring or a clip or something? Or do I perhaps need a new timer unit?? All help would be greatly appreciated, I'm gonna get me cards from a very cold girlfriend soon if she has to get up for another winter in the cold!

With thanks!

meercat

cant see your pic
however ,any competent electrician should be able to fit a new clock for you
i wouldnt bother trying to source a replacement for your existing one or repairing it either

meercat

see your pic now(just about:D)
get a new single channel digital clock fitted beside your boiler and disregard the old one

shane0007

meercat wrote: »

cant see your pic
however ,any competent electrician should be able to fit a new clock for you
i wouldnt bother trying to source a replacement for your existing one or repairing it either

Not unless that electrician is also an RGI. As the clock is an integral part of the boiler then only an RGI can work on it or even fit an external one and wire into it.
Yes I know it is a silly rule but that is the law. Only an RGI can work inside a gas appliance in Ireland. In the UK, an electrician can wire into it.

There will be a data plate in the boiler with the model number and a replacement time lock should be available, usually circa €35 + vat.

meercat

shane0007 wrote: »

Not unless that electrician is also an RGI. As the clock is an integral part of the boiler then only an RGI can work on it or even fit an external one and wire into it.
Yes I know it is a silly rule but that is the law. Only an RGI can work inside a gas appliance in Ireland. In the UK, an electrician can wire into it.

There will be a data plate in the boiler with the model number and a replacement time lock should be available, usually circa €35 + vat.

understand your point here and im not getting at you but

who now wires up gas boilers
surely a registered contractor can

and if they are now not allowed access the boiler(daft rule as you say)
whats to stop an electrical contractor leaving the existing clock switched to permanently on and then fitting a new clock between the fused spur unit and the boiler without opening the boiler up

Robbie.G

meercat wrote: »

understand your point here and im not getting at you but

who now wires up gas boilers
surely a registered contractor can

and if they are now not allowed access the boiler(daft rule as you say)
whats to stop an electrical contractor leaving the existing clock switched to permanently on and then fitting a new clock between the fused spur unit and the boiler without opening the boiler up

It is up to the rgi to wire and connect the boiler and heating the spark is only supposed to leave a spur.As Shane said its stupid but it is illegal for anyone other than a rgi to take the cover of a gas boiler and work on it. All rgi's are trained to wire heating but how many can do so competently

shane0007

meercat wrote: »

understand your point here and im not getting at you but

who now wires up gas boilers
surely a registered contractor can

and if they are now not allowed access the boiler(daft rule as you say)
whats to stop an electrical contractor leaving the existing clock switched to permanently on and then fitting a new clock between the fused spur unit and the boiler without opening the boiler up

They would also have to ensure that the permanent live is also still available to the boiler. Why do all that when an RGI can legally carry out the work and it is a very minor job for any competent RGI.

This law is also the reason why electricians are an acceptable allied trade to be allowed to complete the GIS/GID certification courses.

Before I get hammered about taxi drivers being an acceptable allied trade, erm, certain places allowed them into OFTEC which could then leap frog them into GIS. The OFTEC acceptance rule is now gone.

meercat

shane0007 wrote: »

They would also have to ensure that the permanent live is also still available to the boiler. Why do all that when an RGI can legally carry out the work and it is a very minor job for any competent RGI.
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cheers shane0007

yes ,the permanent live should be fed from the spur unit

still think it would be a cheaper ,simpler and better job to install new digital clock

this could be done without opening the boiler housing
it may also be quicker as ordering a replacement clock may take time and rgi may have to return if he hasnt got one with him

shane0007

How will he connect the switched live from the new time clock into the switched live contact in the boiler as the permanent live from the spur will be connected to the permanent live port in the boiler and then linked through the time clock to switched live port internally.

If OP gets boiler model, this should also be located on his last RGI Cert 3 that the OP would have received on his last boiler service, he can give the details to an RGI over the phone, part ordered and fitted on one call. A new Cert 3 will also have to be issued as they appliance has been repaired. Boiler could even be due a service and all could be done nicely before a nice hard winter!

meercat

shane0007 wrote: »

How will he connect the switched live from the new time clock into the switched live contact in the boiler as the permanent live from the spur will be connected to the permanent live port in the boiler and then linked through the time clock to switched live port internally.

im sorry
cheers shane0007
humble pie for me tonight

shane0007

Lol, no worries....

kanji

meercat wrote: »

cheers shane0007

yes ,the permanent live should be fed from the spur unit

still think it would be a cheaper ,simpler and better job to install new digital clock

this could be done without opening the boiler housing
it may also be quicker as ordering a replacement clock may take time and rgi may have to return if he hasnt got one with him

As stated by Shane the switched live for turning on the boiler can't be got at without removing the casing

The permanent live can but this is a permanent live ie; not to be switched off by a clock

The boiler is a sime system format

Edit: sorry, a bit too slow:)

shane0007

kanji wrote: »

The boiler is a sime system format

Show off! Lol

meercat

kanji wrote: »

Edit: sorry, a bit too slow:)

im slower;)

kanji

shane0007 wrote: »

Show off! Lol

Just a little bit sad that I'm sitting here on a Saturday night able to recognise a boiler from just the shape of the bottom panel:(

Nedser101

If the boiler is a simi system ,he vac are the agents ,they have most parts of the shelf

shane0007

kanji wrote: »

Just a little bit sad that I'm sitting here on a Saturday night able to recognise a boiler from just the shape of the bottom panel:(

Get used to it. It's babies and boilers for you from now on!