Average Single Farm Payment

Jamesleacy501

Just wondering what the SFP would be for a 50 ha farm holding 60 cows and 40 bullocks?

bbam

Jamesleacy501 wrote: »

Just wondering what the SFP would be for a 50 ha farm holding 60 cows and 40 bullocks?

Ah here...
Are we getting accreditation in this college assignment...

ABlur

Sheeesh not another SFP thread!

bob charles

around a hundred grand

grumpyfarmer

bob charles wrote: »

around a hundred grand

Ah don't understated it now...

grumpyfarmer

But to be serious i can only speak for myself. 45ha, 80 cows, 35 1-2's and 35 0-1's and about 18k spf

whelan1

bob charles wrote: »

around a hundred grand

i dont think so... is that what yours is?

epfff

Quick answer
300 * cows
150 * bullacks

bob charles

whelan1 wrote: »

i dont think so... is that what yours is?

Take away the one in front of it and thats my SFP:)

farawaygrass

bob charles wrote: »

Take away the one in front of it and thats my SFP:)

your some man for farming without sfp. what enterprise to do run and on what acerage? you own or rent land? mind me asking why you have no sfp? sorry if being nosey! oh ya, full or part time farming?

bob charles

farawaygrass wrote: »

your some man for farming without sfp. what enterprise to do run and on what acerage? you own or rent land? mind me asking why you have no sfp? sorry if being nosey! oh ya, full or part time farming?

Im some fool to be farming more like it. Beef farm with ground rented, No SFP as wasnt farming in the reference years(I was only starting shaving back then) and full time. Hence I all for doing away with the SFP. I claim 5k of a leased SFP that I pass directly onto to 2 landowners ie I pay the rent and then the leased SFP on top of it to the landowners. And yes they are looking to take back those acres for 2014

freedominacup

bob charles wrote: »

Im some fool to be farming more like it. Beef farm with ground rented, No SFP as wasnt farming in the reference years(I was only starting shaving back then) and full time. Hence I all for doing away with the SFP. I claim 5k of a leased SFP that I pass directly onto to 2 landowners ie I pay the rent and then the leased SFP on top of it to the landowners. And yes they are looking to take back those acres for 2014

I think that rented land, in order to be eligible for SFP should have to be taken on a min 5 year lease. It might take some of the madness out of the land rent market when pinches like 2014 occur and might reduce farmers ability to give all of their record grain or beef prices to someone else as soon as they get it. I know short term it might lead to a few disasters with guys signing long term leases on the basis of a good year. In general however I'm with bob the sooner the SFP is done away with the better. It's a millstone around our necks especially for younger farmers. I,ve been saying this since I was a younger farmer.

Not so young anymore but that's how these eurocrats think. A decade is an instant to them. They always take the long view. Even 25 years ago if you had walked into a farmers meeting and told them that they would shortly voluntarily tell the DOAg how many cattle they had how many acres they farmed and where, they'd have been trying to keep one eye on you and another on the exits for the arrival of those much maligned professionals in the white coats. The area aid forms of the early nineties were presented as the end of something, I really can't remember what, but few amongst the farming community envisaged what they were the beginning of. The eurocrats on the other hand have taken the oppurtunity every crisis since has presented aided usually by the IFA and it's euro colleagues to increase their control over European agriculture. One of their main agendas is to always make their own power and positions more secure.

farawaygrass

bob charles and freedom in a cup, you both must be making a profit without having any sfp, and therefore must be in the top % of farmers in the country, and very efficent. if the sfp would go do ye think farmers would get move for their produces, from factories or supermarkets say, or will it eventually weed out the inefficent farmers(prob 85-90% of all farmers), and lead to bigger, commerical farms?
also bob, do you have any mass on angus for your beef herd?

freedominacup

farawaygrass wrote: »

bob charles and freedom in a cup, you both must be making a profit without having any sfp, and therefore must be in the top % of farmers in the country, and very efficent. if the sfp would go do ye think farmers would get move for their produces, from factories or supermarkets say, or will it eventually weed out the inefficent farmers(prob 85-90% of all farmers), and lead to bigger, commerical farms?
also bob, do you have any mass on angus for your beef herd?

Honestly not farming without SFP but all going on bank payments anyway. I've always been dubious about them. Loans were due to be paid off when current regime ends. It's only a matter of time before Euro voters really go against them and they come to an abrupt end.