Timing Belt gone

paulymc

Lads ive a 05 avensis 1.6 Petrol. Driving last week and the oil light went on. Pulled into a garage about 30 seconds later and before i could even stop, the engine cut. Never started again, just kept ticking over.

Just got the phone call this morning saying the belt is gone and Valves and other stuff too. Am i right in saying if the belt goes it takes alot more with it.

Im being told it could be 1000+ to sort. :(

Also is there a chance the car could be fooked altogether ? We are at a very early stage of diagnosing the problem.

Supergurrier

Potentially it could be alot more than a grand unfortunately

bbability

Contact IVI on the Naas road and get a price on a replacement engine. It might be a better option

(Sorry about smiley face... It's a typo)

nct tester

are u sure there is a belt on it??

bbsrs

nct tester wrote: »

are u sure there is a belt on it??

Depends
http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2055807405?page=1#post_64132409

paulymc

nct tester wrote: »

are u sure there is a belt on it??

Yes as far as I know. (How the mechanic is describing it on the phone)

bazz26

2003 to 2009 Toyota Avensis 1.6 VVTi had a timing chain which should last the lifetime of the engine. When did the car last get an oil change and was the correct grade of oil used?

paulymc

bazz26 wrote: »

2003 to 2009 Toyota Avensis 1.6 VVTi had a timing chain which should last the lifetime of the engine. When did the car last get an oil change and was the correct grade of oil used?

Yes the correct oil was used. I think the oil change may have been the problem as I was over by a month.

bbsrs

paulymc wrote: »

Yes the correct oil was used. I think the oil change may have been the problem as I was over by a month.

Going over due by a month in itself would not cause a timing belt to break. If you're doing you oil changes by the number of months rather than miles I take it you do very little mileage in your car. Was it overdue a belt change or is it actually a chain? Do you trust your mechanic?

Ronnie Beck

paulymc wrote: »

Yes the correct oil was used. I think the oil change may have been the problem as I was over by a month.

Them vvti's seem to drink oil. My mates corolla goes through a litre a week. I presume it was 13 months since it was last serviced. Could have been real low on oil if you haven't been checking it and topping it up causing the chain to fail. You won't know if it's worth repairing without knowing the full damage list and cost. The car itself won't be wrote off.

paulymc

bbsrs wrote: »

Going over due by a month in itself would not cause a timing belt to break. If you're doing you oil changes by the number of months rather than miles I take it you do very little mileage in your car. Was it overdue a belt change or is it actually a chain? Do you trust your mechanic?

I've never used this mechanic before but he's a good friend of mines brother so no reason not to trust him.
That's what he has told me, said he won't know the extent of the damage until he gets it up an running.! But worried about throwing 1500 or so at it and it won't even fix the problem.

Thanks for all the info by the way lads, much appreciated

techie

paulymc wrote: »

I've never used this mechanic before but he's a good friend of mines brother so no reason not to trust him.
That's what he has told me, said he won't know the extent of the damage until he gets it up an running.! But worried about throwing 1500 or so at it and it won't even fix the problem.

Thanks for all the info by the way lads, much appreciated

I'd be checking how much a replacement engine is , found this on Donedeal:

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/carparts/1797274

Nissan doctor

Your car doesn't have a timing belt so I'd be getting a very clear description from the mechanic before you agree to paying anything.

bbsrs

paulymc wrote: »

I've never used this mechanic before but he's a good friend of mines brother so no reason not to trust him.
That's what he has told me, said he won't know the extent of the damage until he gets it up an running.! But worried about throwing 1500 or so at it and it won't even fix the problem.

Thanks for all the info by the way lads, much appreciated

Replace the engine with a secondhand one if the chain is gone.

joujoujou

bazz26 wrote: »

2003 to 2009 Toyota Avensis 1.6 VVTi had a timing chain

Actually ALL the VVTi engines have timing chain, whatever the model and year.

bazz26 wrote: »

which should last the lifetime of the engine. [...]

Theoretically, yes. In fact, changed timing chain in my car couple of months ago (VVTi, ofc.), it was really time to do so. 270 000 km done on chain, which is good result anyway. :cool:

Well, @paulymc, did you control oil level frequently?

You need really have to very low level of oil to have light up. You would hear timing chain before that (it rattles very loudly).

ofcork

They should last alright,i have 144k miles on mine and no probs.

paulymc

joujoujou wrote: »

Actually ALL the VVTi engines have timing chain, whatever the model and year. Theoretically, yes. In fact, changed timing chain in my car couple of months ago (VVTi, ofc.), it was really time to do so. 270 000 km done on chain, which is good result anyway. :cool:

Well, @paulymc, did you control oil level frequently?

You need really have to very low level of oil to have light up. You would hear timing chain before that (it rattles very loudly).

I had just topped up the oil about an hour before I started a long journey from Dublin to Sligo as it was on minimum or just above.

The mechanic is checking to see if there was a clog which stopped the oil from passing through.

As far as I know there was around 120k km on the clock

joujoujou

I'd say you maybe had a leak somewhere?

bazz26

joujoujou wrote: »

Actually ALL the VVTi engines have timing chain, whatever the model and year. /

In the Avensis yes but as far as I remember the first generation VVTi engines in the Lexus IS200 were belt driven.

joujoujou

Sorry, my fault. I meant "ZZ" engine series rather than all vvti engines.

Nissan doctor

bbsrs wrote: »

Replace the engine with a secondhand one if the chain is gone.

If its a car your planning on keeping the car long term then that's rarely the best option.

bobin fudge

Nissan doctor wrote: »

If its a car your planning on keeping the car long term then that's rarely the best option.

Im in similar situation, you think a brand new engine is the way go to?

thanks

Nissan doctor

bobin fudge wrote: »

Im in similar situation, you think a brand new engine is the way go to?

thanks

No, Having your engine properly repaired is the best option in the long term IMO unless you know that your engine was in poor condition anyway before the failure.

joujoujou

Brand new? It'll be dearer than entire car.

paulymc

Was over having a look last night. Turned out it is a chain, and is still intact. Apparently it "jumped a few teeth" because a bolt bent and the threads were ruined. (I dont really have a clue about engines btw)

Its starting on 2 cylinders with 2 not working but some of the valves an stuff are damaged. Also the cam shaft needs replacing.

My options so far is either let the Mechanic fix it, wait to hear back from someone about a price on a 2nd hand engine, or go to IVI engines on the naas road who have quoted 1650 on a replatement engine, with 3 months warranty.

What do you reckon is the best option ? considering its an 05 is it worth fixing ? Surely i wouldnt get much for the car off anyone with this engine trouble. For the record everything else (body, inside) etc is in great nick

Ronnie Beck

What mileage is on the engine. If it was me and the pistons weren't damaged or weren't drinking oil before, I'd just get the head repaired.

Ilfdlab

Hi. your car should have a timing chain. Better off just getting a replacement engine as I've seen one done recently & it cost the owner €1200 :mad:. They had a lot of problems when doing it as the block is aluminium (I think it was a 2.0 auto Petrol ? but was told the 1.6 + 1.8 are the same) & the head bolt heicoils had to be replaced too !

Ilfdlab

Just a few to check for a replacement engine :

http://cars.donedeal.ie/for-sale/carparts/4118449

or Traynors up the north, they deliver to Dublin most mornings :


http://www.traynors.co.uk/


Hope this is of help.

sumo12

joujoujou wrote: »

Actually ALL the VVTi engines have timing chain, whatever the model and year. Theoretically, yes. In fact, changed timing chain in my car couple of months ago (VVTi, ofc.), it was really time to do so. 270 000 km done on chain, which is good result anyway. :cool:

Well, @paulymc, did you control oil level frequently?

You need really have to very low level of oil to have light up. You would hear timing chain before that (it rattles very loudly).

+1
All vvti are chain driven. Chains give no trouble unless neglected by lack of oil changes or low oil level. Despite liking a bit of oil between services, it's pretty hard to break a vvti engine if you look after it. Sounds like yours is locked up - pull the rocker cover off and check camshafts and gears on timing end, if they are black and smell burnt and the visible part of the chain is discoloured then your engine is for the bin I'm afraid