Changes to Motor Tax arrears

Adrian4

It looks as if motor tax arrears are now calculated at 1/12 of the annual rate.

It used be 1/10 of the annual rate.

http://www.corkcoco.ie/co/web/Cork%20County%20Council/Departments/Finance/Motor%20Tax/Motor%20Tax%20Rates

Stheno

Your link is about post 2008 tax?

colm_mcm

Seems so

https://www.motortax.ie/OMT/motortaxinfotype.do

Stheno

colm_mcm wrote: »

Seems so

https://www.motortax.ie/OMT/motortaxinfotype.do

Happy days

I'm away enough that I miss the deadline to tax my car, and don't have access to details to tax it online, and it annoys me paying tax when I'm away, and even more when it's got additional charges for arrears.

CiniO

It means that it's actually cheaper to pay arrears than tax for 3 months.
Someone who is taxing his car 4 times a year for 3 months, would pay more now, than someone who pays for 2 months arrears, then 3 months tax, 2 months arrears 3 months tax, and then again 2 months arrears.

F.e 2.0 engine.
1. One lump sum per year = 660
2. 4x3 months = 4x186 = 744
3. 2x6 months = 2x366 = 732
3. 2 months arrears + 3 months tax + 2 months arrears + 3 months tax + 2 months arrears = 702

Assuming you won't get caught while driving untaxed, because if you do, it's extra 60 euro penalty, and comes as 702+60 = 762, so you end up the worst.

Esel

They must have been forced to do that.

Stheno

Esel wrote: »

They must have been forced to do that.

Must have, possibly in the hope that people would be more likely to pay up?

Del2005

CiniO wrote: »

It means that it's actually cheaper to pay arrears than tax for 3 months.
Someone who is taxing his car 4 times a year for 3 months, would pay more now, than someone who pays for 2 months arrears, then 3 months tax, 2 months arrears 3 months tax, and then again 2 months arrears.

F.e 2.0 engine.
1. One lump sum per year = 660
2. 4x3 months = 4x186 = 744
3. 2x6 months = 2x366 = 732
3. 2 months arrears + 3 months tax + 2 months arrears + 3 months tax + 2 months arrears = 702

Assuming you won't get caught while driving untaxed, because if you do, it's extra 60 euro penalty, and comes as 702+60 = 762, so you end up the worst.

They should get rid of the 2 month window before lifting cars, the fact that you can benefit from breaking the law makes an ass of the law, but allow monthly tax. Would love to have something with a big engine for playing in, but paying a €300+ for 3 months just isn't worth it.

_Kaiser_

CiniO wrote: »

F.e 2.0 engine.
1. One lump sum per year = 660
2. 4x3 months = 4x186 = 744
3. 2x6 months = 2x366 = 732
3. 2 months arrears + 3 months tax + 2 months arrears + 3 months tax + 2 months arrears = 702

All that shows is that if you:

a) Can't afford to buy a new/newer (post 08) car
or
b) Can't afford to fork out €660 in one lump sum for that "massive" :rolleyes: engine

.. then you will be screwed over even more as a result for paying your tax

Even more of a kick in the stomach when your mate who CAN afford that newer car pays maybe a third-half what you do purely because of the reg plate (let's not pretend this is at all about the "environment" - this change was to encourage new car sales.. ditto the ridiculous imminent 131/132 system)

"So downgrade" I hear you say - all well and good if you do tiny mileage around town at city speeds or have buses/LUAS to avail of.. not so much if you have any sort of a decent commute to do - which in turn makes your car "worthless" because:

a) it's on the "old" system and thus should be avoided to the point of buying a brand new car instead
b) it has more than 100,000km on it - which we all know means it's likely to fall apart imminently :rolleyes: Mine incidentally has 229,000 km on it now (06 model) and is still going strong with nothing really beyond wear and tear maintenance required for the most part

This country is a joke - try to do the right thing, but not wealthy enough to be able to afford a new car every year or two and you'll be shafted every time.

Del2005 wrote: »

Would love to have something with a big engine for playing in, but paying a €300+ for 3 months just isn't worth it.

That's nice - I agree a monthly/weekend tax rate would be a plus, but I don't think it's what most drivers will be worrying about when the renewal notice arrives in the door.

Idbatterim

just paid E283 for 3 months tax a few hours ago :mad: its total BS to say those on the old system cant afford 08 or newer car, you either pay higher purchase price or you pay higher tax... I can afford an 08 car, just not one that would come close to what I have now.

Voodoomelon

My head's spinning, don't understand any of this...

Del2005

Kaiser2000 wrote: »

Even more of a kick in the stomach when your mate who CAN afford that newer car pays maybe a third-half what you do purely because of the reg plate (let's not pretend this is at all about the "environment" - this change was to encourage new car sales.. ditto the ridiculous imminent 131/132 system)

A lot of mates who bought the low tax cars are storing up big repair bills due to buying totally unsuitable vehicles. They may be saving a few hundred quid a year on tax, but that'll be wiped out when the need to replace the turbo and DPF. It's a good idea by SIMI to get the repair side of garages making money when no one is buying new:D

Idbatterim wrote: »

just paid E283 for 3 months tax a few hours ago :mad: its total BS to say those on the old system cant afford 08 or newer car, you either pay higher purchase price or you pay higher tax... I can afford an 08 car, just not one that would come close to what I have now.

+1, I got a lovely 2l petrol last year for very little. Pre 08 petrols aren't selling even though most people would be better off in them

_Kaiser_

Del2005 wrote: »

A lot of mates who bought the low tax cars are storing up big repair bills due to buying totally unsuitable vehicles. They may be saving a few hundred quid a year on tax, but that'll be wiped out when the need to replace the turbo and DPF. It's a good idea by SIMI to get the repair side of garages making money when no one is buying new:D

I fear that by the time these problems rear their head, the original owner will long since have moved on to the next "cheap tax" car, leaving the next owner to pay up.

It's also why anyone looking to buy a new-ish diesel these days (like I would be if I could afford it) now enters a minefield as while the car may look perfect and drive perfectly, it's that cumulative damage that will get you - can that even be checked for when buying?

Ironically, the "high mileage" diesel may actually become more desirable as at least they were driven "properly"?

+1, I got a lovely 2l petrol last year for very little. Pre 08 petrols aren't selling even though most people would be better off in them

Out of curiosity then, what's the difference in real-mileage/cost terms then between a (05-08 era) 2.0 TDI A6 a 2.0 Petrol variant..... anyone?