New York after the floods.

Run_to_da_hills

Something to be said for an elevated Dart line.

Wouldn't like to be about if the third rail was left on. :eek:

Mech1

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Something to be said for an elevated Dart line.

And a elevated user name:D

Run_to_da_hills

Mech1 wrote: »

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Something to be said for an elevated Dart line.

And a elevated user name:D

That's where I would have gone.

I can't understand why there was so many cars destroyed including that field of taxis when such ample warning was issued about this storm as far back as Friday.

dowlingm

I wonder what flood projections were done for MN and Interconnector

CIE

dowlingm wrote: »

I wonder what flood projections were done for MN and Interconnector

Speaking of an active Metro-North, their Hudson Line had its own problems. New Jersey Transit's "North Jersey Coast Line" (known informally as the Jersey Shore line) had barges slamming into drawbridges over the Raritan River and Cheesequake Creek.

BTW, that first photo in the OP is the Hoboken station of PATH (aka Port Authority Trans-Hudson Railroad, originally the Hudson & Manhattan Railroad). The Hudson River is coming in through the lift shaft; and that is salt water, since that part of the river is tidal. Some of the photos of the New York system are real, and some others certainly look photoshopped.

Here is another shot of Hoboken Terminal, out by the ferry slips; Manhattan is in the background (photo credit "@jerrylore" of Twitter).

LivelineDipso

Pumps - the tunnels will be empty of water in no time.

All transport tunnels have massive pumps for flooding.

V_Moth

LivelineDipso wrote: »

Pumps - the tunnels will be empty of water in no time.

All transport tunnels have massive pumps for flooding.

That is only the start though. I'd say clearing potentially highly toxic sludge (heavy metals, sewage) from however many kilometres of tunnel will take some time. Also, I guess there will be issues with electrical wiring and checking points for corrosion damage.

wile1000

MTA have published a 'Hurricane Sandy Recovery Service' map showing partial restoration to the network. Lower Manhattan is still completely out though. Can only imagine the problems they're going to face over the coming days, for one of the world's busiest transport networks. :-O
http://www.mta.info/sites/default/files/pdf/HurricaneRecoveryMapOct312012.pdf

Chris_5339762

Looks like they are being organised. Here you wouldn't know a thing from Irish Rail or Luas until you got there and found it wasn't working. There would be some vague "Dublin bus are accepting Luas/rail tickets" without any extra capacity.

Keedowah

That diving photo looks photoshopped...

edit: it was! 10 Fake Photos of Hurricane Sandy

I wonder where all the rats from the subway ran to? Get the willies thinking about it.

Run_to_da_hills

Damage on the New York City Subway's Rockaway tracks on the A Train Line.

This looks familiar.

CIE

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Damage on the New York City Subway's Rockaway tracks on the A Train Line.

This looks familiar.

The "familiar" scenario was not the result of a hurricane though. :rolleyes:

The Rockaway line used to be part of the Long Island Railroad, for the record. This vid is from around 1950; shows old low-level platforms and MP54 EMUs. A fire on the Jamaica Bay bridge would cause the LIRR to close the line and sell it to NYC transit, who reopened it as subway in 1956. (The subway uses the exact same kind of third rail.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-gX1AtT6jzA

dowlingm

Apparently despite moving some kit to higher ground some other New Jersey Transit gear got caught in the flooding and is out of service until further notice. News is coming out now that Amtrak is going to lend some stock to NJT and they in turn are going to borrow about 20 coaches from VIA Rail to operate the Albany-Montreal section of the Amtrak Adirondack Service.

dowlingm

New Jersey Transit had 21 Multilevels waiting for delivery at Bombardier. Given how stuck they are for coaching stock they asked Amtrak to go fetch them pronto.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6yYjx2de6k

CIE

dowlingm wrote: »

New Jersey Transit had 21 Multilevels waiting for delivery at Bombardier. Given how stuck they are for coaching stock they asked Amtrak to go fetch them pronto.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6yYjx2de6k

Perhaps they would not have been so badly stuck for rolling stock if they hadn't retired some of their rolling stock prematurely (the Comet IIIs and ALP-44s for example). At least those don't require brake inspections every three weeks. It's really bad what happened to their maintenance complex in the Meadowlands, but that's what happens with central planning; brilliant idea to stick it in a marsh, especially when you have been replacing other maintenance shops that were on higher ground (e.g. the former Jersey Central "Elizabethport" shops).

Interesting that those 62-tonne cars are being hauled via Metro-North's Hudson Line. That's a long way to go, into the Bronx and back out and back in again to get to Sunnyside Yard in Queens via the Hell Gate line.

dowlingm

There seems to be a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking about the maintenance centre location but what I'm hearing is that the MMC, while in a marsh, is on higher ground and thus does not routinely flood. The Lackawanna Cutoff restoration project, if it had been moved along, would have allowed some equipment to be moved inland towards Scranton. As for the ALP44s, the reality is that the decision not to overhaul the mixed fleet for 44O/E/Ms in favour of acquiring more ALP46As meant they could operate longer trains.

CIE

dowlingm wrote: »

There seems to be a lot of Monday morning quarterbacking about the maintenance centre location but what I'm hearing is that the MMC, while in a marsh, is on higher ground and thus does not routinely flood. The Lackawanna Cutoff restoration project, if it had been moved along, would have allowed some equipment to be moved inland towards Scranton. As for the ALP44s, the reality is that the decision not to overhaul the mixed fleet for 44O/E/Ms in favour of acquiring more ALP46As meant they could operate longer trains.

Yes, NJ Transit is adept at putting out more propaganda than Irish Rail, aren't they.

AFAICS, NJT really only needs "longer trains" on their main Newark Division lines, particularly the Northeast Corridor and (badly-washed-out) North Jersey Coast Lines. The butchered line of that division, the Raritan Valley Line, was using eight-car double-deckers, which was way too much capacity (perhaps enough capacity if the pre-1967 Jersey Central route was in operation, but not even these days). The push-pull cars, even shorter ones, are badly suited to the Morristown Line with its closer-together stations. If one wants to compare electric units, though, the ALP-44s were based on Sweden's ASEA/ABB Rc6 (Amtrak's similar AEM-7 was based on the Rc4); and what with Amtrak's AEM-7AC upgrade allowing those units to pull 14-car single-level Amfleet cars, the ALP-44s could have been similarly upgraded to AC traction, and not for more expense than buying the ALP-46As.

The Lackawanna Cutoff project seems to have fallen victim to cross-state politicking. The owners of the railway on the Pennsylvania side want the trains to go all the way to Scranton, which is fifty miles from the border with New Jersey; this would seem to indicate a service better-suited to an entity such as Amtrak. Enviro-wacko stuff is even holding up the short extension to Andover, N.J. Shame for a railway that was originally conceived to be a four-track corridor into northeastern Pennsylvania.

CIE

The NYC subway recovered rather quickly.

Photos (courtesy Buzzfeed) from two days ago depicting a whole platform full of cheerleaders (about 300+) waiting to ride uptown for the Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade, on the 8th Avenue Subway. They got on the C train. (Station is 34th Street, Penn Station.)

dowlingm

considering the amount of salt in the system it seems to me MTA did a pretty fine job.