Do women hiring managers prefer to hire another woman?

Mouth of the South

This is something I've noticed myself, but it's politically incorrect to mention or even suggest that it happens. I've worked in a good number of companies down the years and I have noticed that where the hiring manager is female, new hires are usually if not always other females. Often complete teams ,where the boss is female, are made up entirely or predominantly of women. I can't produce empirical evidence to support this and I am sure any putative study into it would be shot down by the PC brigade anyway. It's just something I've noticed and I surely can't be the only one who has noticed this accepted form of gender discrimination. I have never, ever been hired by a female hiring manager myself, but I am not basing any observations on that as I don't know in any of these cases whether a male or female was hired ahead of me. All other things being equal, I am certain however that a female hiring manager will usually hire another woman over an equally qualified male candidate. I am sure I will be called some kind of misogynistic dinosaur , but I doubt I am alone in this observation.

Mr. Loverman

Are there sexist women? Yes.
Are there sexist men? Yes.
Are there non-sexist women? Yes.
Are there non-sexist men? Yes.

Also, confirmation bias.

I wouldnt generalise but I have seen some teams like you mention. I would say its only a small minority but the problem is that when such teams develop, most guys won't apply to work there so they get to be self perpetuating.

As a kindof opposite observation, I often meet women who tell me that they would never work for a female boss.

edellc

I don't see what the problem is men have been doing this for century's and now they are getting a taste of their own medicine, so its a problem how ?

Mr. Loverman

edellc wrote: »

I don't see what the problem is men have been doing this for century's and now they are getting a taste of their own medicine, so its a problem how ?

I'm going to guess you're a female...

Two wrongs don't make a right.

anncoates

edellc wrote: »

I don't see what the problem is men have been doing this for century's and now they are getting a taste of their own medicine, so its a problem how ?

If you're female, this view pretty invalidates any objection you.might have to male sexism in hiring, that's why.

Eoin

edellc wrote: »

I don't see what the problem is men have been doing this for century's and now they are getting a taste of their own medicine, so its a problem how ?

Jesus, what a stupid comment.

the_syco

edellc wrote: »

I don't see what the problem is men have been doing this for century's and now they are getting a taste of their own medicine, so its a problem how ?

Remember lads; it's only sexist if guys do it :rolleyes:

I think the correct term for what the OP describes is "positive discrimination".

edellc

awwh all the poor men on here cant take a joke lol have none of you heard of sarcasm :rolleyes:

two wrongs dont make a right and discrimination of any kind is wrong, however females hiring just females and males hiring just males can never be proven as a form of discrimination as either sex manager can claim they just hired the person who fitted the job best...the reality is who would want to work for a manger who makes such decisions anyway, and tbh to not get the particular job is a lucky escape in my eyes

petersburg2002

Mouth of the South wrote: »

This is something I've noticed myself, but it's politically incorrect to mention or even suggest that it happens. I've worked in a good number of companies down the years and I have noticed that where the hiring manager is female, new hires are usually if not always other females. Often complete teams ,where the boss is female, are made up entirely or predominantly of women. I can't produce empirical evidence to support this and I am sure any putative study into it would be shot down by the PC brigade anyway. It's just something I've noticed and I surely can't be the only one who has noticed this accepted form of gender discrimination. I have never, ever been hired by a female hiring manager myself, but I am not basing any observations on that as I don't know in any of these cases whether a male or female was hired ahead of me. All other things being equal, I am certain however that a female hiring manager will usually hire another woman over an equally qualified male candidate. I am sure I will be called some kind of misogynistic dinosaur , but I doubt I am alone in this observation.

Unless the guy is drop dead gorgeous. Then he gets the job

Mr. Loverman

edellc wrote: »

awwh all the poor men on here cant take a joke lol have none of you heard of sarcasm :rolleyes:

You made a ridiculous comment and then you come here backtracking and insulting us trying to say the problem is us, not you...

That's a bit nasty, really.

Mouth of the South

In no way am I condoning the reverse either. For example, in a previous job, I saw both sides of sex discrimination at work in different areas of the same company. The sales department was managed by an arrogant, aggressive bollocks and the sales teams were nearly all (but not entirely) made up of likewise.On the other hand, the HR department was managed by a cold, conniving bitch and (wo)manned entirely by similiarly cold-hearted bitches. Sales and HR may be extreme examples as it seems to be part of the basic job requirement of one to be an arrogant, aggressive bollocks and in the other to be a rotten, cold-hearted bitch, but aren't there arrogant, aggressive women around as well as rotten, cold-hearted men? But even taking that male sales manager bollocks into account, it just always seemed in every company that I worked in that a woman manager was always more likely to discriminate on the grounds of gender when recruiting than a male counterpart.

the groutch

edellc wrote: »

I don't see what the problem is men have been doing this for century's and now they are getting a taste of their own medicine, so its a problem how ?

not another Ivana Bacik wannabe :mad:

edellc

Mr. Loverman wrote: »

You made a ridiculous comment and then you come here backtracking and insulting us trying to say the problem is us, not you...

That's a bit nasty, really.

Not backtracking but clearly you have no sense if humour so had no choice but to spell it out for you

And for the record its not a ridiculous statement men have behaved this way for century's, it was never right when they did it and is equally wrong when women do it

Take a chill pill and stop being so uptight..have you never heard of banter

Females hiring a majority of females is not a fact.

If it were, that still would not mean that the fact was a result of sexism.

Stheno

Are you talking about any particular industry OP?

Mouth of the South

Stheno wrote: »

Are you talking about any particular industry OP?

More than one

Mouth of the South

true-or-false wrote: »

Females hiring a majority of females is not a fact.

If it were, that still would not mean that the fact was a result of sexism.

Huh?

Stheno

Mouth of the South wrote: »

More than one

Such as?
I work in IT so given that it's fairly male dominated, it's not something I've come across.

Mouth of the South

Mouth of the South wrote: »

Huh?

You go from noticing a trend in your own personal life:

Mouth of the South wrote: »

I have noticed that where the hiring manager is female, new hires are usually if not always other females.

To admitting that you have no proof at all:

I can't produce empirical evidence to support this.

To stating (as if it were a fact) that it's an accepted form of gender discrimination:

I surely can't be the only one who has noticed this accepted form of gender discrimination.

To stating that (again, as though it's a fact) you are certain that this is an absolute trend:

All other things being equal, I am certain however that a female hiring manager will usually hire another woman over an equally qualified male candidate.

I was pointing out that you have no proof that women will usually hire women. In addition to that, I was pointing out that even if you had proof that women usually hire women, there could be a million reasons for this, with sexism being only one of them.

In other words, for you to have come across many instances of women hiring women, and then just deciding "Women will usually hire women because they're sexist, that's a fact" - is ridiculous. You don't have any proof, which would be fine if you just wanted to discuss your observation, but you're not discussing it, you're just throwing random statements around like they're fact without giving any reasoning for it.

Mouth of the South

Stheno wrote: »

Such as?
I work in IT so given that it's fairly male dominated, it's not something I've come across.

Manufacturing, Telecoms, IT.

I don't think it has anything to do with specific industries. A typical female manager will hire a female applicant before a male one, it's just what they do. Maybe she feels it's positive discrimination for the 'sisterhood', maybe she feels more comfortable with women subordinates, maybe she thinks women are better employees, maybe she's just sexist but thinks she is justified in doing it.

Eoin

This smells of a wind up - now it's "just what they do", but with no evidence to support it.

I really can't see this thread going anywhere good.