Collecting car with no tax

Antigone05

I'm due to collect a second hand car tomorrow, the dealer did the vrt but there is no tax disc on it.

It's the only opportunity I have to pick it up, what can i do?

Red Crow

Nothing legally. You need to receive confirmation of the change of ownership and then tax the car.

colm_mcm

It's one of those situations where a guard could do you for no tax, but if you're not doing anything else wrong, you should be ok.

You can possibly tax online, I know for new cars the PIN number is the last few digits of the chassis number. I think it's the same for imports too. Def worth trying, if you have a receipt printed then you're not realistically gonna have trouble. I'm not 100% sure of that though.

colm_mcm

Eli Manning wrote: »

Nothing legally. You need to receive confirmation of the change of ownership and then tax the car.

You need to tax the car to get the registration cert.

Antigone05

colm_mcm wrote: »

It's one of those situations where a guard could do you for no tax, but if you're not doing anything else wrong, you should be ok.

You can possibly tax online, I know for new cars the PIN number is the last few digits of the chassis number. I think it's the same for imports too. Def worth trying, if you have a receipt printed then you're not realistically gonna have trouble. I'm not 100% sure of that though.

That's what I was thinking, ill use my smartphone and log the tax online.

From North Dublin to South is the drive , i can imagine plenty of Gardai about

Esel

colm_mcm wrote: »

You need to tax the car to get the registration cert.

Sounds like Catch 22 there?

Antigone05

Esel wrote: »

Sounds like Catch 22 there?

So does that mean they would have to tax the car?

Esel

Antigone05 wrote: »

From North Dublin to South is the drive , i can imagine plenty of Gardai about

This weekend, maybe. Probably depends on time of day, route etc.

Don't speed or drive dangerously, have a dated receipt from the seller and some kind of proof of insurance and the job should be Oxo (ymmv ).

Esel

Antigone05 wrote: »

So does that mean they would have to tax the car?

If by 'they' you mean the seller, then no, that's not what I meant.

I said 'Catch 22' because (in the case of a used car) afaik you are supposed to have registration cert to tax the car.

Whether I am right or wrong on the above, it would be a mean and hungry mule who would do you under the circumstances (all other things being equal, as I said in my previous post).

shawnee

Get a receipt for the car and display it where the tax should be. Should have no difficulty until you get round to taxing it. Worse case scenario you will have to ensure that you back tax the car to the date you bought it.

mobfromcork

I bought a car a few years ago and was driving back to Dublin. It had Nct and insurance but no tax. It had been lying up for a while and I went to a Garda station just after I bought it on the Saturday morning and got a cert to declare it had been off the road. I had to wait until the Monday to go into the tax office but I reckoned the Garda cert would do me if I was stopped.

I had the dogs in the boot and was nearly home but stopped in the Phoenix park to go for a quick walk. When I was gone, a Garda on foot patrol happened to pass by, saw my tax was out by over a year and I got slapped with an 160 fine. For not having and displaying tax.
Some dose.

colm_mcm

http://www.dublincity.ie/RoadsandTraffic/MotorTax/MotorTaxOnline/Pages/TaxAVehicleOnline.aspx

This backs up the online taxing using the last digits of the chassis number as a PIN number.

corktina

you'll be OK usually if a Gard stops you and you have the paperwork to show it's insured and you just bought it

eaglebhoy

As has been alluded you will have no problem if stopped if you just explain your situation and have the relevant reciept to back it up.

When more than a couple months out of tax however, as mobfromcork learned, DO NOT park in any Public Place as almost any passing Garda or even Traffic Warden (in relevant areas) will gladly stick a ticket on your windshield !

If you've correct documents to back you up if stopped then don't worry !

Mar4ix

op, you shall be ok. 5 years ago i got skyline from japan, and i had to collect it from dublin port, i didnt really know , what way dockets had to be sorted. Car didnt had number plates, roadtax,insurance either.,rang few recovery companies, quickest time when they may come in was something 3 hours, i thougt , feck it, an drove from port to sandyford. All went ok, lucky me

spiggotpaddy

corktina wrote: »

you'll be OK usually if a Gard stops you and you have the paperwork to show it's insured and you just bought it

Yes but , if the cop wants to be a prig he can be. I was stopped a couple of years ago after buying a car from a dealer that morning, I had a receipt and insurance but was still summonsed to court.
Of course the guard didn't show up for court and the judge said I was very lucky.

aujopimur

24 hrs after payment of VRT you can tax the car online using the last 6 digits of the VIN, VRC will be issued in due course (about 7 days).

CiniO

This should all be regulated somehow.
Situation where law expect drivers to have valid tax and NCT and driving licence at all times, while in reality other regulations allow offices who issue those thing plenty of time for paperwork isn't normal.

If it's impossible to tax or nct car after purchase, law should be adjusted accordingly, not to require tax or nct from drivers who can't get it because of they way those things are issued.

It's a simple change of regulations, and shouldn't be a bother for anyone up there.

Otherwise we have all the time those situations, where you have to hope for the best, that gard you meet will decied no to enforce law and not prosecute you -just because he is nice and understands how it all works.
That's not the normal way of doing things.

colm_mcm

To be fair cineo, they allow you to drive the car on the foreign plate for a period after registration, that would imply that you won't need an irish tax disc or nct disc in that period,

awec

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colm_mcm

3 days would be plenty time to tax it and book an nct

awec

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CiniO

colm_mcm wrote: »

3 days would be plenty time to tax it and book an nct

My experience from 2 years ago when I imported a car from NI is sligthly different.

Tax - yes. I could tax it online on the next day after VRTing as far as I remember.

But NCT said that car is not on the system and it takes few days. After few days car indeed was on their system, so I could make a booking, but they didn't have any slots within 6 months. Eventually when I requested a booking within next 4 week, I got it, but it was eventually over 4 weeks after VRTing, so I had to drive a car for a month illegally.

Also those 3 days is a bit of grey area, as you car is already registered in Ireland, so technically it's deregistered abroad. And as so, you probably shouldn't use foreign plates then.
But anyway - it doesn't make any difference, as there is no way of sorting NCT within 3 days on imported car.

CiniO

awec wrote: »

Yep, within the first 3 days you should be able to show a guard a tax receipt and an nct booking confirmation if you are stopped.

Probably won't get an appointment at your centre of choice for a week or 2, but I'd say as long as you show you've it booked and the car isn't obviously a heap of sh**e you'd be ok.

Being OK, or being legally on the road are two different things.

awec

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CiniO

awec wrote: »

I imported a car from NI a few months ago. 6 months? Not a hope.

Appointments within 2 weeks in the Dublin centres, could have got one within 2 days no bother (any time of day that suited too) if I were willing to drive to Kildare.

If no appointments show on the site you can phone them up and they will contact the centre to try get you in.

Not all country is like Dublin.
I said what was 2 years ago.
No appointments available at all in my nearest test centre.
Eventually got it within 27 days after requesting.
Now it's much better. Recently I got a slot online within 3 weeks of booking.

Esel

colm_mcm wrote: »

http://www.dublincity.ie/RoadsandTraffic/MotorTax/MotorTaxOnline/Pages/TaxAVehicleOnline.aspx

This backs up the online taxing using the last digits of the chassis number as a PIN number.

When taxing a new vehicle for the first time....

The only way (apparently) to tax an existing vehicle online is if you are the registered owner and have received the RF100B with the required PIN.

colm_mcm

http://www.buncrana.ie/Article_Listings.aspx?tscategory_id=26&

Where the vehicle owner/motor dealer wishes to first tax a new or imported secondhand vehicle online, he/she will be required to enter the vehicle registration number and the PIN (portion of the chassis/VIN) on the web-site www.motortax.ie and as soon as this combination is confirmed, the customer is allowed access to the first licensing service

I know my mother taxed hers straight away and got her reg cert afterwards. She didn't go online though

corktina

spiggotpaddy wrote: »

Yes but , if the cop wants to be a prig he can be. I was stopped a couple of years ago after buying a car from a dealer that morning, I had a receipt and insurance but was still summonsed to court.
Of course the guard didn't show up for court and the judge said I was very lucky.

thts why i said "usually".. if you get outof the car with a BA, expect a ticket, handle it right, you'll be OK USUALLY

Supergurrier

Drive it home and then don't use it until you can tax it, as long as you are insured i see no problem and any Garda with abit of common sense will let it pass once you show the dated invoice (I parked my car in the Garda Squad car bay while i filled out my RF100 form 5 months out of tax) common sense should prevail etc

awec

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