Dublin roads safest EU sign on M50 -fact?

gurramok

Here's a screengrab if you haven't seen it yet. It says "Dublin roads safest of all EU capitals"

Is it true? If so, whats their source?

Just wondering if other EU capitals have so many cars passing through them like us, ya know better public transport reduces risk of traffic accidents

Seasoft

Read this...

http://www.rsa.ie/Documents/Road%20Safety/Safety%20Performance/EU_Performance_Index.pdf

Mycroft H

Driving southbound morning around 12.45pm, there was what looked to be a big enough accident in the northbound near J7 with AGS at the front of it a hse ambulance not far behind.

The next one of those signs had the safest roads in the eu message on it. Oh the ironing

keithclancy

Dublin achieved the best reduction in the number of people killed over the past decade.
The number of people killed dropped by an outstanding 70% between 1997 and 2007.
Unfortunately progress slowed down over the period 2001-2007. What is the background
to this? ETSC has spoken to Michael Byrne, Road Safety Development Officer/Road Safety
Services Manager at the Dublin City Council.

The way I read it, if it was a death trap in the first place a reduction to normal levels is huge.

Whereas other countries don't score very well because they were safe in the first place

How does that make Dublin the safest ? I would rate it somewhere in the middle, with a lack of proper public transport, very few dedicated roads for public transport and hardly any cycle lanes.

Only places I've been that were worse was Thessaloniki in Greece and Antwerp in Belgium.

paddy147

Ah sure Enda Kenny was also given an award as "European of the Year".








How come with the new wider M50 we cannot do 120kph,where as before on the old 2 laner M50 we could?


Is it something to do with the road lanes being a bit more narrow than before?

rameire

BX 19 wrote: »

Oh the ironing

dont you worry about that,
the wife will do it.

hmmm

By the time you've managed to read that sign you'll have run into the back of someone.

I wish they'd stop putting up stupid messages on road signs, I have to take my eyes off the road just in case it is a genuinely important message. On the continent they display the time normally.

keithclancy

hmmm wrote: »

By the time you've managed to read that sign you'll have run into the back of someone.

I wish they'd stop putting up stupid messages on road signs, I have to take my eyes off the road just in case it is a genuinely important message. On the continent they display the time normally.

Yes, those signs are supposed to be for things like "Accident at JXX, take alternate route" or "Traffic Queue Ahead"

This "Arrive Alive" "Expect the unexpected" and other catch phrases are a load of shíte.

BuzzFish

I had to laugh when I saw this sign on the way to Naas in Kildare... leaving Dublin and again at the Carlow/Waterford slip on the M7... again not in dublin or anywhere near it.
A few displays I'd like to see...

"Are you the idiot with no lights or just your parking lights on?"
"There is another lane to the left of you with no traffic in it"
"Only a fool breaks the 2 second rule"
"Check for Motorbikes when changing between lanes"
"Slow down... sur you'll be queueing in Newlands Cross anyway"

and so on...

dgt

Dublin roads probably are the safest as we don't have the same number of people as those other cities mentioned.....

Victor

dgt wrote: »

Dublin roads probably are the safest as we don't have the same number of people as those other cities mentioned.....

You do understand the concept of 'per capita' don't you?

Ronnie Beck

There not the safest. They just had the greatest reduction in fatalities. 12% less people died in 2007 than in 1997. They should have put up that 60% of fatalities in the capital are pedestrians and cyclists the third highest in western europe.

Victor

Ronnie Beck wrote: »

There not the safest. They just had the greatest reduction in fatalities.

While the linked document does indeed discuss percentages, I think they might actually be the safest per capita also (save Valetta, capital of Malta, where there are very few road deaths as people can't drive very far - Malta is a third of the size of county Dublin)

12% less people died in 2007 than in 1997.

No, it was a 12% reduction per year - from 53 (1997) to 11 (2007). Road deaths in Dublin have reduced further since 2007 - 10 deaths in 2011 for the entire county - I don't know the number for the city.

They should have put up that 60% of fatalities in the capital are pedestrians and cyclists the third highest in western europe.

That is possible. Motorists shut up - it's other people that are being killed.

http://www.etsc.eu/documents/Background_tables.pdf

Ronnie Beck

Victor wrote: »

No, it was a 12% reduction per year - from 53 (1997) to 11 (2007). Road deaths in Dublin have reduced further since 2007 - 10 deaths in 2011 for the entire county - I don't know the number for the city.

True.
Not really surprising with the money invested in the luas, m50 and port tunnel.

gurramok

Victor wrote: »

While the linked document does indeed discuss percentages, I think they might actually be the safest per capita also (save Valetta, capital of Malta, where there are very few road deaths as people can't drive very far - Malta is a third of the size of county Dublin)

The stats are only for the Dublin City Council area, does not include many other suburbs. Do the other cities measured include only small city council areas or the entire city and their burbs?

PS: One of those signs was on the N3 at Blanch outside the DCC area.

Victor

gurramok wrote: »

The stats are only for the Dublin City Council area, does not include many other suburbs. Do the other cities measured include only small city council areas or the entire city and their burbs?

PS: One of those signs was on the N3 at Blanch outside the DCC area.

I'm doing some number crunching, but I'm not sure if I have all the data.

PseudoFamous

paddy147 wrote: »

How come with the new wider M50 we cannot do 120kph,where as before on the old 2 laner M50 we could?

because the curves are too tight, and junctions too near to get the upper speed limit

Victor

paddy147 wrote: »

How come with the new wider M50 we cannot do 120kph,where as before on the old 2 laner M50 we could?

In certain places, it is difficult for car drivers to see around the central median for a sufficient distance.

100km/h gets more traffic through per hour than 120km/h.

In reality, how often can you do 120km/h for a sustained period of time?

Victor

The back up data to the ETSC file is here: http://www.etsc.eu/documents/ETSC%20PIN%20Annual%20Report%202009.pdf - see Table 11 and 12. However, that is a completely different claim. It is also not quite correct as it was based on provisional data.

The ETSC data has an error, insofar as they used the 2008 figure for Dublin City (11) instead of the actual 2007 figure of 20. However, the 2011 figure for Dublin City and County appears to be 10. The Dublin County (excluding city) number is typically similar to the Dublin City Only number, although there has been variation over time, so I am assuming the city figure is 5.

That would put the numbers of deaths per 100,000 at 0.95 (1997: 10.90) for the city and 0.67 (1997: 5.30) for the county (excluding city).

Poulgorm

Victor wrote: »

The back up data to the ETSC file is here: http://www.etsc.eu/documents/ETSC%20PIN%20Annual%20Report%202009.pdf - see Table 11 and 12. However, that is a completely different claim. It is also not quite correct as it was based on provisional data.

That's impressive. Deaths down from 14 per 100,000 in 1990 to 4 in 2011.

And we probably have a lot more cars in 2011 than 1990.

We should all take a collective bow. Some people will be disappointed of course, but damn the begrudgers.

Scortho

keithclancy wrote: »

Yes, those signs are supposed to be for things like "Accident at JXX, take alternate route" or "Traffic Queue Ahead"

This "Arrive Alive" "Expect the unexpected" and other catch phrases are a load of shíte.

I hate these signs. Especially the one they had this weekend. T
hink it was slow down this bank hoilday or something.
Every fecker on the n11 to wexford and back braked after driving by them. :mad: