Barney Curley

dave3004

What do you make of the man and the trainer and his plots?

I just watched a youtube video of him killing McCrick and some Ex jockey Luke something or other. It was hilarious but I can't fcuking stand Curley.

I hate the way the game is completely rigged when it comes to his horses. Its either pulled or the moneys down and it scoots in.

Everyone knows it and nobody says a fcuking thing to him. Would love to knock his block off.

bealaha

at the end of the day hes the one thats owns and run his horses and he pays the bills, so if he wants to set up a gamble on one thats fine by me, why shud he have to run horses for punters interest? anyway with the crap levels of prizemoney in england, you woudnt blame him for having a gamble in order to make his own operation pay for it self.

Goldcupfav

dave3004 wrote: »

Everyone knows it and nobody says a fcuking thing to him. Would love to knock his block off.

The man lands like two gambles a year. Personally it doesn't bother me one bit plenty of other trainers do the same thing it's just Barneys reputation and his small string of horses that it gets noticed when it happens. And you should really check out Barneys African Charity that he has setup before coming out with that previous comment. www.dafa.co.uk
The man deserves serious praise in my view for this. He doesn't have to but yet the man puts his own time and money into this charity to help others.

Lapin

He's comes to Galway every year for a Cheltenham Preview in Salthill and always has time to talk to everyone who wants to meet him. (The best place to catch him for a quiet word is out the front of the hotel - smoking area !)

His tips are no better or worse than anyone elses and his favourite subject is himself, but he tells a good yarn.

You could meet a lot worse. I like the guy, but I don't take him as seriously as others seem to. He's one of the characters of the game.

meriwether

Lapin wrote: »

He's comes to Galway every year for a Cheltenham Preview in Salthill and always has time to talk to everyone who wants to meet him. (The best place to catch him for a quiet word is out the front of the hotel - smoking area !)

His tips are no better or worse than anyone elses and his favourite subject is himself, but he tells a good yarn.

You could meet a lot worse. I like the guy, but I don't take him as seriously as others seem to. He's one of the characters of the game.

I spoke to him briefly in the same circumstances about 5 years ago - he was polite and friendly.

In relation to his gambles, I have no issue whith anyone landing a gamble unless the odds fo the horse are manipulated by previous 'pulling' of the horse.

Thats dishonest behaviour, and cannot be condoned by punters.

UrbanSea

bealaha wrote: »

at the end of the day hes the one thats owns and run his horses and he pays the bills, so if he wants to set up a gamble on one thats fine by me, why shud he have to run horses for punters interest? anyway with the crap levels of prizemoney in england, you woudnt blame him for having a gamble in order to make his own operation pay for it self.

If horses are being pulled it's deceptive and my least favourite part of racing. Nothing worse than backing a horse and it being a blatant non trier. Worst case I ever saw was a few years ago when I backed Get Me Out Of Here I think it was a Listed handicap hurdle at Ascot. I was absolutely fuming. Don't mind when a horse gets beat on merit, but when you aren't even given a try it's infuriating.

mr.jingle

UrbanSea wrote: »

If horses are being pulled it's deceptive and my least favourite part of racing. Nothing worse than backing a horse and it being a blatant non trier. Worst case I ever saw was a few years ago when I backed Get Me Out Of Here I think it was a Listed handicap hurdle at Ascot. I was absolutely fuming. Don't mind when a horse gets beat on merit, but when you aren't even given a try it's infuriating.

I'd backed GMOOH that day too and was dismayed at that run a blatant non trier that day.

With Barney you know what your getting when you see a horse of his drifting all the way until the off then don't go near it, if it's drifting and then the price plunges towards the start then get the F**K on! He'd a couple of nice gambles this season think one was called Elusive Hawk might have been Brighton it drifted like a barge all day and still on course went outwards when just as they start putting the first few in the stalls the price plunged and it duly romped home with Queally on board.

Barney is reknowned for it after some hefty gambles over the years, there are plenty more trainers at it that maybe come under the radar and do the same but don't get as much stick as Barney.

Trainers i'd always watch and see if the horse is gambled would be Barney(Of course), Gordon Elliott,Stuart Williams,Charles Byrnes and David Pipe(especially in handicaps)

Malarkey121

3 gambles landed today already connected to Barney, industry is getting ready for a pay-out on 4 winners if the last one goes in later on this evening, as it stands its already a nice payout

mike65

and it came to pass - up to 2 million paid out apparently.

Eye of the Tiger, now in the care of former Curley employee Des Donovan, got the gamble up and running when it was backed in from 4/1 to evens before winning the 1.30 at Lingfield.

Ten minutes later Seven Summits, trained by Sophie Leech and backed from 11/2 to 9/4, won the 1.40 at Catterick.

A second Donovan runner, Indus Valley, was hammered in price from 10/1 to 4/6 before winning the 4.25 at Kempton.

And Low Key — sent off the 1/3 favourite after opening at 5/1 — completed the rout.

http://thescore.thejournal.ie/betting-coup-barney-curley-1277865-Jan2014/

Colonel Sanders

Some guy on Betfair saying Gibraltar based bookies with holding payment, no idea if its true or the basis for it

rossom

Irish Mirror reporting it was €18 million he took!

https://twitter.com/IrishMirror/status/426140080453857280/photo/1

Charlie George

Barney is a legend.

barney4001

dos anyone who frequents bookies daily know of anyone who backed the horses at morning prices???

kfallon

barney4001 wrote: »

dos anyone who frequents bookies daily know of anyone who backed the horses at morning prices???

Yeah - Barney Curley did :pac:

bestleftfull3

9000/1 apparently night before early yesterday morning !!4 of them returned 17.5/1 at sp's outrageous money wagered !

Colonel Sanders

rossom wrote: »

Irish Mirror reporting it was €18 million he took!

https://twitter.com/IrishMirror/status/426140080453857280/photo/1

Coral suggesting £2m hit to the industry

I'd believe that ahead of a sensationalist tabloid journo commenting on something (s)he probably knows very little about

While I admire Curley's charity work I'm in 2 minds over carry on like this. It's usually blatant cheating that leads to the set up (having said that it's organised with military precision). However off the big off course firms are for the most part detestable organisations so I'm glad to see them hit, following on from a big soccer hit two weeks ago.

If it's true that VC no bet are with holding payments they should be barred from accepting bets in UK/ROI jurisdictions

nobody told me

I also admire the coup and hats off to the man for doing it, don't think anyone else is capable of doing it. But let's call a spade a spade it shows up all weather racing for what it is-corrupt. The thing to remember is these were mostly all highly rated horses who had way higher ratings than the ones they ran off yesterday so it's not as if it's a great training feat.
It's just stopping horses.

paulpd

rossom wrote: »

Irish Mirror reporting it was €18 million he took!

https://twitter.com/IrishMirror/status/426140080453857280/photo/1

Any decent bookie would have had most of that gamble laid off

redarmyblues

paulpd wrote: »

Any decent bookie would have had most of that gamble laid off

And where pray tell us would you get it off and the prices collapsing?

seoirsem

By the very nature of our great sport where there is a handicapping system in probably 3/4 of races every day then coups like yesterday are not above the ordinary. I remember Ted Walsh and Bryan Gleeson having a quick joke about placing horses live on RTE racing over the christmas. However outsiders looking in may query as to whether it brings racing into disrepute. A lot of people on various forums were very supportive of the coup yesterday HOWEVER one would suggest that these may be the first to complain when a horse they have backed blatantly non tries!!

BQQ

I don't think many are foolish enough to think that every horse is trying to win.
Most would factor this into their analysis of a race.

If I end up backing a non-trier, I accept that I've made a mistake in my reading of the race. No recriminations here.

Motivator

BQQ wrote: »

I don't think many are foolish enough to think that every horse is trying to win.
Most would factor this into their analysis of a race.

If I end up backing a non-trier, I accept that I've made a mistake in my reading of the race. No recriminations here.

That's rubbish. Are you saying that if you had a few quid on a 5/4 fav for example, and it doesn't go a yard because it's a non trier, you're going to shrug your shoulders & say nothing about it?

Gavin "shels"

http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/profiles/horse/415297/pipers-piping

Supposedly has a connection to Barney Curley, huge move on the market today.

bestleftfull3

Gavin shels wrote: »

http://www.sportinglife.com/racing/profiles/horse/415297/pipers-piping

Supposedly has a connection to Barney Curley, huge move on the market today.

Yeah Paddypower had the same up on twitter !!20/1 this morning 6/4 now !!

BQQ

Motivator wrote: »

That's rubbish. Are you saying that if you had a few quid on a 5/4 fav for example, and it doesn't go a yard because it's a non trier, you're going to shrug your shoulders & say nothing about it?

I would very rarely back a horse at 5/4.
However, if I backed a 5/4 fav in a micky mouse midweek race and he didn't go a yard, I'd kick myself for being so stupid.

BangBeater

redarmyblues wrote: »

And where pray tell us would you get it off and the prices collapsing?

This response made me chuckle

BangBeater

nobody told me wrote: »

I also admire the coup and hats off to the man for doing it, don't think anyone else is capable of doing it. But let's call a spade a spade it shows up all weather racing for what it is-corrupt. The thing to remember is these were mostly all highly rated horses who had way higher ratings than the ones they ran off yesterday so it's not as if it's a great training feat.
It's just stopping horses.

I would think it is not JUST stopping horses.

The planning and organisation for this must be extensive...

Ensuring the horses are all healthy and fit for the specific day.
Ensuring that the right horses are chosen maybe over a year in advance and then carefully run with handbrake on over that long period in order to lose the handicap pounds. Then within each run, the horses must be kept as inconspicuous as possible when they are being pulled for fear of corruption charges, etc.
Barney sent each horse to various trainers so as to cover up the link to him as much as possible.
Keeping the word highly secret. All it took would have been a whisper and their plans might have been ruined (Price collapses and plug might have been pulled yesterday on the coup and wait for another day)
Etc, etc

I for one would love to hear the full story behind it but I doubt that most details will never emerge.

Malarkey121

Motivator wrote: »

That's rubbish. Are you saying that if you had a few quid on a 5/4 fav for example, and it doesn't go a yard because it's a non trier, you're going to shrug your shoulders & say nothing about it?

If it gets backed into 5/4 fav for Barney you can guarantee it does not lose.

I don't back these type of races myself, I stick to the real grade 1 or top events (great prize money and the status that goes with winning them) that's when I know for sure everyone is trying to win therefore if I bet I have every chance of alluding these "hidden" types.

Finally, I say fair play to anyone that got on at any sort of price the night before or early morning, I say hats off to anyone who makes a few quid.

I know for sure that Barney will be looking after some people who need it most, rather than throwing it away.

BorneTobyWilde

bestleftfull3 wrote: »

Yeah Paddypower had the same up on twitter !!20/1 this morning 6/4 now !!

Maybe it's paddy power looking to make back some money by claiming this is being backed, now everyone is backing it and it could be a bookies horse !:pac:

BorneTobyWilde

Bookies horse.
That trainer has won 11 races in 4 years
All the bookies are laughing , they were the source of rumor no doubt.

bestleftfull3

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Bookies horse.
That trainer has won 11 races in 4 years
All the bookies are laughing , they were the source of rumor no doubt.

Delighted for any eegit that backed it

STB

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Bookies horse.
That trainer has won 11 races in 4 years
All the bookies are laughing , they were the source of rumor no doubt.

Well that trainer won it with her outsider. How much of the money was from the stable and how much was from the bookies running for cover after yesterdays shennanigans. Always beware of market moves. It moves in strange ways.

premierstone

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Bookies horse.
That trainer has won 11 races in 4 years
All the bookies are laughing , they were the source of rumor no doubt.

bestleftfull3 wrote: »

Delighted for any eegit that backed it

Ye might want to read the race result in full again :rolleyes:

STB

One things for sure. Barney has a new book coming out next month that is already out of date!

Motivator

BQQ wrote: »

I would very rarely back a horse at 5/4.
However, if I backed a 5/4 fav in a micky mouse midweek race and he didn't go a yard, I'd kick myself for being so stupid.

I didn't say anything about a Mickey Mouse midweek meeting or what type of race it was. I asked a simple question & it has a simple yes or no answer. As we all know, strokes are pulled left right & centre - at every track & on any day of the week. Your original statement is rubbish I'm sorry.

bestleftfull3

premierstone wrote: »

Ye might want to read the race result in full again :rolleyes:

Backed the fav I obviously meant
I know their other horse won

premierstone

bestleftfull3 wrote: »

Backed the fav I obviously meant
I know their other horse won

How is it relevant, or in anyway a validation for not backing it, to mention the trainers record in the last 4 years when she won the very same race in question

unitedrover

Think I remember in 2010, for days and weeks after he landed his 3 winners, there was a lot of false gambles on his horses or connected horses. Probably the bookies creating a false gamble but something to be aware of. I would be very surprised if I saw a Barney Curley coup being executed within a year. Takes ages to handicap them proper unless he's got others lined up somewhere. Give it 2 years+ I'd say
.

hucklebuck

BQQ wrote: »

I don't think many are foolish enough to think that every horse is trying to win.
Most would factor this into their analysis of a race.

If I end up backing a non-trier, I accept that I've made a mistake in my reading of the race. No recriminations here.

Unless I have missed something how have you made a mistake if the horse wasnt run on its merits? Its pure scumbaggery (think I just made this up, must add to urban dictionary).

I have a massive bet on Get Me Out Of Here a few years ago on the basis if he was even 85% he should dot up, but he wasnt even put into the race.

bestleftfull3

premierstone wrote: »

How is it relevant, or in anyway a validation for not backing it, to mention the trainers record in the last 4 years when she won the very same race in question

I never said anything about the trainer :rolleyes:

that was someone else........I said i was delighted for the people who backed the gamble

brandon_flowers

Funnily enough the winner of that race Prohibition was also previously trained by Johnny Butler. So the bookies conned the mugs into backing the steamer and easily covered anything on the 16/1 shot.

Motivator

If the last few days events haven't put people off punting then nothing ever will. Although gambles like that are great to see, the more I think about it the more annoyed I get. With the amount of jockeys sending Barney Curley well wishes via twitter etc. I have a feeling there were a lot more involved in this than originally thought. All the 4 races were set up to suit the 4 gambled horses. As I don't really back on the All weather I don't care what they do but the hurdler annoyed me because any joe soap reading the paper or the form would have thought he had zero chance based on previous form. It was a blatant con job from all involved & it's after souring my opinion of a lot of trainers & jockeys.

mike65

if you want to back honest horses then just stick to horses that are consistent on the speed figures. You can't top those ratings by not trying.

BorneTobyWilde

premierstone wrote: »

Ye might want to read the race result in full again :rolleyes:

Changes nothing, it's ironic though.
Trainer was in bookies pocket, its a fact that some trainers are. Just don't talk about it, it's horse racing sport of kings after all......... I know some horse trainers.... I know what goes on. It's the most corrupt sport out there.

premierstone

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

Changes nothing, it's ironic though.
Trainer was in bookies pocket, its a fact that some trainers are. Just don't talk about it, it's horse racing sport of kings after all......... I know some horse trainers.... I know what goes on. It's the most corrupt sport out there.

So you know that its the most corrupt sport going but yet you continue to back in low grade mid week events, wonder what that makes you