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  • 22-10-2012 5:05pm
    #1
    fontdor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 531 ✭✭✭


    Hello everyone. OK I have a small question, Right now I am getting Disability Allowance OK? And I am a Refugee In Ireland. Say I want to move to....Australia for example. Can I Continue my life there by still transferring all of my rights there such as my Disability Allowance etc?


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  • #2
    AlarmBelle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 176 ✭✭AlarmBelle


    fontdor wrote: »
    Hello everyone. OK I have a small question, Right now I am getting Disability Allowance OK? And I am a Refugee In Ireland. Say I want to move to....Australia for example. Can I Continue my life there by still transferring all of my rights there such as my Disability Allowance etc?
    in school?


  • #3
    juan.kerr
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,766 ✭✭✭juan.kerr


    Let's hope not, becaue that would make a complete mockery of the system.


  • #4
    Pat Mustard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,554 ✭✭✭Pat Mustard


    Try NASC or a Citizen's Information Centre.

    http://www.nascireland.org/

    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/


  • #5
    celticcrash
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 850 ✭✭✭celticcrash


    You cant be a refugee and be getting disability allowence at the same time.


  • #6
    AlarmBelle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 176 ✭✭AlarmBelle


    celticcrash wrote: »
    You cant be a refugee and be getting disability allowence at the same time.
    and be in school as the op states he is in other posts


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  • #7
    fontdor
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 531 ✭✭✭fontdor


    No I totally get you guys. I am not getting disability allowance my Mom is. So my question is if I move to Australia can I continue my life there the same as I did here?


  • #8
    AlarmBelle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 176 ✭✭AlarmBelle


    fontdor wrote: »
    No I totally get you guys. I am not getting disability allowance my Mom is. So my question is if I move to Australia can I continue my life there the same as I did here?
    you said you wanted to transfer your entitlements to disability. If by that you mean can your mom, I doubt it, but check with welfare.ie


  • #9
    ResearchWill
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭ResearchWill


    celticcrash wrote: »
    You cant be a refugee and be getting disability allowence at the same time.

    Once a person has got refugee status that person has all rights to social welfare that any citizen has.


  • #10
    ResearchWill
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭ResearchWill


    fontdor wrote: »
    No I totally get you guys. I am not getting disability allowance my Mom is. So my question is if I move to Australia can I continue my life there the same as I did here?

    Like anyone else refugee status or not, you would have to apply to Australia for a visa. I doubt they will grant a visa if they believe the person is going to be a strain on their social welfare system.


  • #11
    ResearchWill
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭ResearchWill


    fontdor wrote: »
    Hello everyone. OK I have a small question, Right now I am getting Disability Allowance OK? And I am a Refugee In Ireland. Say I want to move to....Australia for example. Can I Continue my life there by still transferring all of my rights there such as my Disability Allowance etc?

    BTW you say here http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=78754978 you say you got leave to remain, which is usually different to Refugee Status.


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  • #12
    Pat Mustard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,554 ✭✭✭Pat Mustard


    ResearchWill wrote: »
    BTW you say here http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=78754978 you say you got leave to remain, which is usually different to Refugee Status.

    Look like the social welfare entitlements are the same.

    "If you have refugee status you are entitled to apply for social welfare payments on the same basis as an Irish citizen."

    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/asylum_seekers_and_refugees/refugee_status_and_leave_to_remain/copy_of_medical_services_and_entitlements_for_refugees_and_asylum_seekers.html


  • #13
    AlarmBelle
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 176 ✭✭AlarmBelle


    But welfare entitlement would not travel to australia would it? Thought it was only within europe? know someone who went to australia and did not tell welfare to stop the child allance and got caught and had to pay it back. proper muppet to. But that is OT . Not suggesting the OP is like that


  • #14
    ResearchWill
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭ResearchWill


    The Mustard wrote: »
    Look like the social welfare entitlements are the same.

    "If you have refugee status you are entitled to apply for social welfare payments on the same basis as an Irish citizen."

    http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/asylum_seekers_and_refugees/refugee_status_and_leave_to_remain/copy_of_medical_services_and_entitlements_for_refugees_and_asylum_seekers.html

    While the rights attached to leave to remain are for the most part are the same, it is usually given for a period of a year or two and renewed. Refugee status on the other is granted and can only be withdraw, which is hard to do.


  • #15
    ResearchWill
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭ResearchWill


    AlarmBelle wrote: »
    But welfare entitlement would not travel to australia would it? Thought it was only within europe? know someone who went to australia and did not tell welfare to stop the child allance and got caught and had to pay it back. proper muppet to. But that is OT . Not suggesting the OP is like that

    As far as I know, the only payments that can transfer are pension and I think it is only contributory pension but I may be wrong, again Australia still have to grant a visa in any case unless of course you are Australian.


  • #16
    Procrastastudy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,224 ✭✭✭Procrastastudy


    Stating the obvious but the Aussies and anyone else outside of the people obliged in the EU are going to ask; Is this person going to be a drain on resources? If the answer to that is yes you are not going to get a visa.

    I'm not making a judgment of you OP, my views on refugees are very liberal, however immigration of where you want to move will make that judgment.


  • #17
    ResearchWill
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,111 ✭✭✭ResearchWill


    Procrastastudy wrote: »
    Stating the obvious but the Aussies and anyone else outside of the people obliged in the EU are going to ask; Is this person going to be a drain on resources? If the answer to that is yes you are not going to get a visa.

    I'm not making a judgment of you OP, my views on refugees are very liberal, however immigration of where you want to move will make that judgment.

    In fact a Refugee/Humanitarian Leave to Remain in one country in the EU does not have a automatic right to move to another country in EU. Of course once they have Irish passport that would change.


  • #18
    Victor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,577 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    fontdor wrote: »
    Can I Continue my life there by still transferring all of my rights there such as my Disability Allowance etc?
    Most DSP payments are dependent on you being resident in Ireland.

    There is a limited ability to transfer some payments, like unemployment benefit, for up to three months to other EU states, possibly a small few others.


  • #19
    Zambia
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,333 ✭✭✭Zambia


    Can you survive the first 2 years without government payments?


  • #20
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,989 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    If an Irish resident in receipt of disability allowance ceases to be an Irish resident, the allowance stops. It makes no difference whether the person concerned is an Irish citizen or not.

    If the person concerned has moved to, e.g., Australia, then they can apply there for whatever equivalent of disability allowance is available. Their entitlement will be judged under the local law and practice; the fact that they would qualify for receipt of disability allowance in Ireland is irrelevant.

    As has already been pointed out, the fact that someone suffers a disability may well be an impediment to getting into Australia (or anywhere else) in the first place, but that's a separate issue.


  • #21
    krd
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,455 ✭✭✭krd


    juan.kerr wrote: »
    Let's hope not, becaue that would make a complete mockery of the system.

    What "system"?

    The system where worthless fat bollocky bucket and shovel men can get paid 200 grand by the state for failing in business.

    Juan, get back up on that high horse of yours.......

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  • #22
    krd
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,455 ✭✭✭krd


    Peregrinus wrote: »
    If an Irish resident in receipt of disability allowance ceases to be an Irish resident, the allowance stops. It makes no difference whether the person concerned is an Irish citizen or not.


    No....That is not true.


    There are different conditions for disability allowance. Under certain conditions - severe disabilities - the person is in receipt of disability allowance from the state regardless of where they're living.

    It's effectively a pension. ....and the maximum payment is lower than the state pension.

    And before you think this is some fantastic lark de non-nationals are getting into, you need to be severely disabled to get it.

    And it's not some unique bonanza to Ireland - most developed countries have something similar.

    Which is why we, and other countries, no longer have special poor houses for the spastics.

    But I could see how you might be upset......Why aren't we spending the money on 'down on their luck' estate agents, fat armed bollocky builders, and the other people who rode the hog of property boom like it was Black Beauty.


  • #23
    Peregrinus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,989 ✭✭✭✭Peregrinus


    There is a "habitual residence" condition for the disablity allowance (and many other allowances) which, in the Department's understanding, means that to qualify for the allowance you have to intend to stay here permanently. Migrating to Australia is inconsistent with remaining permanently in Ireland. (If a claimant goes to Australia on holiday, by contrast, that's fine.)

    There's an exemption from the habitual residence test for certain EEA nationals, but in this case the claimant is not an EEA national and, in any event, the exemption does not cover disability allowance.

    In general, if you leave the country, payments stops. (There are exceptions if you leave to follow an approved course of study, or to receive medical treatment). The question of whether, having left the country, you are no longer a permanent resident will only arise if you return to Ireland and claim again.

    Thsi contrasts with the position on invalidity pensions, which are insured benefits. There is no habitual residence requirement to qualify for the benefit, and the benefit can continue to be paid while you are abroad.


  • #24
    Equality
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 241 ✭✭Equality


    If your mum is getting Disability Allowance, she will lose this payment if she leaves Ireland. There is no way to transfer an Allowance to any country, either EU or Australia.

    If your mum had worked for a number of years in Ireland, she might be getting a Benefit or a Contributory Invalidity pension. These transfer abroad, but allowances do not.

    If your mum is being paid for you as a child on her DA, this is 29.80 per week. It stops if you leave the country, leave education, or get too old. In these cases, you can apply for social welfare yourself if you are in Ireland, or if you go abroad you can apply for social welfare in your new country. Most countries have something similiar to a habitual residence condition, which basically means that they rarely pay social welfare to people who have just arrived. In contrast, if you stay in Ireland, you satisfy the residence condition, because you are the child of a parent who is getting social welfare.

    If you are over 16 you may be getting Disability Allowance yourself. In this case it stops if you go abroad, except in limited cases where you first obtain permission to go abroad, either for medical treatment or to receive an education. If you are in this position, the rules are complex and in some cases your payment might be stopped not long after you left Ireland...


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