Why do Gardai ignore drug dealing?

Landaris

I've reported drug dealing happening where I live to the Gardai and they have done nothing about it. I gave them full names, exact locations, nature of the drug dealing, and I even offered a recording with evidence. They rejected the recording and did nothing else.

I searched the forums to find people with similar problems, and found out that this seems to be commonplace. Most people discussing the issue in the forums seem to assume that ignoring drug dealing is standard Gardai policy.

What's the reason for this?

msg11

Landaris wrote: »

I've reported drug dealing happening where I live to the Gardai and they have done nothing about it. I gave them full names, exact locations, nature of the drug dealing, and I even offered a recording with evidence. They rejected the recording and did nothing else.

I searched the forums to find people with similar problems, and found out that this seems to be commonplace. Most people discussing the issue in the forums seem to assume that ignoring drug dealing is standard Gardai policy.

What's the reason for this?

Welcome to the forum, interesting first post. Regards the drug dealing you seen it's more than likely that it has been fed into a bigger picture for information an arrest may be made down the line, if the evidence and a good case is there.

The recording can't be used either, I would suggest you keep reporting even if you think nothing is been done. Ignoring drug dealing is not policy, I think you find it is a case of other calls to be done first with more priority.

source

Landaris wrote: »

I've reported drug dealing happening where I live to the Gardai and they have done nothing about it. I gave them full names, exact locations, nature of the drug dealing, and I even offered a recording with evidence. They rejected the recording and did nothing else.

I searched the forums to find people with similar problems, and found out that this seems to be commonplace. Most people discussing the issue in the forums seem to assume that ignoring drug dealing is standard Gardai policy.

What's the reason for this?

I think the main issue here is, you don't know the internal procedures of AGS. In cases like this gardai cannot just take your complaint and kick doors in. An investigation Must be completed before an arrest can be made.

This may mean days, weeks or even months of investigation depending on how big the operation is.

As for your video footage, it would be inadmissible in court, as such is useless to the gardai involved.

What may seem like inaction and lethargy to the untrained observer, is actually following procedure and building a case that will stand up in court.

Landaris

msg11 wrote: »

an arrest may be made down the line, if the evidence and a good case is there.

What is the meaning of "good case" in this context?

source wrote: »

I think the main issue here is, you don't know the internal procedures of AGS.

You are absolutely right here. What would be the procedure followed for a case like this?

source wrote: »

As for your video footage, it would be inadmissible in court, as such is useless to the gardai involved.

I'm especially surprised about this. Of course, I understand that a recording made by a private individual is not admissible in court, but it certainly has valuable information about the case. Why wouldn't the Gardai be interested in getting this valuable information, regardless of whether it can be used later in court? It would be very helpful in an investigation.

charlemont

Probably depends on the drug really. Waste of their time anyway as drugs are going nowhere anytime soon.

Landaris

msg11 wrote: »

interesting first post

It's funny, I was surprised to read this and realize that it IS my first post. I've been using the forum for years, but so far I never needed to post, because all my questions had been asked and answered already. This is the first time that I have a question to which I couldn't find a sensible answer in the forums.

areyawell

Landaris wrote: »

I've reported drug dealing happening where I live to the Gardai and they have done nothing about it. I gave them full names, exact locations, nature of the drug dealing, and I even offered a recording with evidence. They rejected the recording and did nothing else.

I searched the forums to find people with similar problems, and found out that this seems to be commonplace. Most people discussing the issue in the forums seem to assume that ignoring drug dealing is standard Gardai policy.

What's the reason for this?

I wouldn't like you as neighbour!

Landaris

charlemont wrote: »

Probably depends on the drug really. Waste of their time anyway as drugs are going nowhere anytime soon.

Can you elaborate?

areyawell

Landaris wrote: »

Can you elaborate?

If there just smoking a bit of weed between themselves and mates the gaurds wont care and rightly so! If there dealing Heroin Gaurds will obviously care. Why bother with all he paperwork for a few lads smoking a bit of weed

Landaris

areyawell wrote: »

If there just smoking a bit of weed between themselves and mates the gaurds wont care and rightly so! If there dealing Heroin Gaurds will obviously care. Why bother with all he paperwork for a few lads smoking a bit of weed

You would love me as a neighbour .

I'm afraid that I'm not talking about a few lads smoking weeds. If that was the case I might even hang out with them. I will not say the name of the drug because it wouldn't be wise to give so much information in a public forum, but I can tell you that is generally regarded to be as dangerous and addictive as heroin.

Potential-Monke

Landaris wrote: »

What is the meaning of "good case" in this context?

Catching the user/low end dealer would not be beneficial in the long run, it may be more beneficial to observe and try and catch the bigger dealers/suppliers. A good case would be one that doesn't have loop holes, and would be near guaranteed a conviction in court.

Landaris wrote: »

You are absolutely right here. What would be the procedure followed for a case like this?

Procedures can't be discussed, but there are procedures for everything, some help, some hamper, all are there for legal reasons.

Landaris wrote: »

I'm especially surprised about this. Of course, I understand that a recording made by a private individual is not admissible in court, but it certainly has valuable information about the case. Why wouldn't the Gardai be interested in getting this valuable information, regardless of whether it can be used later in court? It would be very helpful in an investigation.

If the Gardai were to view the recordings, and subsequently made an arrest, they cannot say that they viewed the recording as it would be inadmissible, and thus anything coming from the viewing of that recording would also be inadmissible. So, it's better to catch the act themselves.

jimmymal

Landaris wrote: »

You would love me as a neighbour .

I'm afraid that I'm not talking about a few lads smoking weeds. If that was the case I might even hang out with them. I will not say the name of the drug because it wouldn't be wise to give so much information in a public forum, but I can tell you that is generally regarded to be as dangerous and addictive as heroin.

its gotta be krocodil:eek::eek::eek:

msg11

Landaris wrote: »

What is the meaning of "good case" in this context?

A good case and a good bust, your information about whatever it is there selling is important information it is part of a bigger puzzle. Go in now you risk just taking down some small timer, wait it out see what his movements are where he gets his supply from then so on. When there is all the right evidence, bring the charges etc.. Take him and the a bit of the supply chain down too.

Landaris wrote: »

It's funny, I was surprised to read this and realize that it IS my first post. I've been using the forum for years, but so far I never needed to post, because all my questions had been asked and answered already. This is the first time that I have a question to which I couldn't find a sensible answer in the forums.

Just found the topic you started interesting for a first post/thread usually people just start posting crap in After Hours !

charlemont

jimmymal wrote: »

its gotta be krocodil:eek::eek::eek:

Or an overactive imagination..

cursai

OP all you can do is supply information. But the act has to witnesses by the Garda and the person has to have possession of the drugs when arrested. I'm sure the Garda appreciates the call and the information you gave. They most likely already know about what you described though.
People can't be prosecuted successfullon the basis on a civilians eye witness report. Its one person against the other.
Also the gardai deal with dozens of different types of incidents. Drug dealing wouldn't get priority over a lot of them.
And they all get caught in the end.
They have to be lucky everytime whereas the gardai only have to be lucky once.

Terrontress

While doing some online research I came upon a forum for junkies.

Take a look at post five in the beneath link and then tell me AGS aren't doing their job in relation to drugs.

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=196590

Straight from the horse's mouth. Drought which hasn't recovered.

msg11

Terrontress wrote: »

While doing some online research I came upon a forum for junkies.

Take a look at post five in the beneath link and then tell me AGS aren't doing their job in relation to drugs.

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=196590

Straight from the horse's mouth. Drought which hasn't recovered.

Well that's a site and a half!

Terrontress

msg11 wrote: »

Well that's a site and a half!

Crazy stuff. But the junkies claim quite openly that there is a heroin 'drought' in Dublin since 2010.

Your defence chain is as good as its weakest link so I'd be confident that AGS, Customs and the Navy are doing a great job at keeping it at bay. I was in Rosses Point last weekend and at the small harbour there was a Customs sign with a location identity number and phone number to report unusual sightings.

Of course those already addicted will just buy weakened or even bogus drugs but hopefully an inconsistent and poor quality supply will stop some people starting to begin with.

msg11

Terrontress wrote: »

Crazy stuff. But the junkies claim quite openly that there is a heroin 'drought' in Dublin since 2010.

Your defence chain is as good as its weakest link so I'd be confident that AGS, Customs and the Navy are doing a great job at keeping it at bay. I was in Rosses Point last weekend and at the small harbour there was a Customs sign with a location identity number and phone number to report unusual sightings.

Of course those already addicted will just buy weakened or even bogus drugs but hopefully an inconsistent and poor quality supply will stop some people starting to begin with.

What I found scary browsing that site was the meth part of the forum. Going by the stats on the users, they are fairly young 18-24 ?

arybvtcw0eolkf

areyawell wrote: »

I wouldn't like you as neighbour!

I wish more of my neighbours were like the OP.

Landaris

Potential-Monke wrote: »

Catching the user/low end dealer would not be beneficial in the long run, it may be more beneficial to observe and try and catch the bigger dealers/suppliers.

msg11 wrote: »

Go in now you risk just taking down some small timer, wait it out see what his movements are where he gets his supply from then so on. When there is all the right evidence, bring the charges etc.. Take him and the a bit of the supply chain down too.

I'm pretty sure there is no big fish in this case. This drug is very easy to produce. There is a supplier that produces it (at his place, I guess) and brings it to the dealer. Some of the addicts do errands for the supplier and the dealer. That's the whole business. I heard this from one of the addicts. However, I didn't even tell this to the Gardai, because they didn't seem to be interested. They took the name and address of the dealer and didn't ask further questions.


Apart from this, I suggested that a Garda might pretend to be a client and buy the drug in order to catch the dealer, but they told me that "that's not the way the Gardai operates".

Terrontress wrote: »

Take a look at post five in the beneath link and then tell me AGS aren't doing their job in relation to drugs.

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=196590

I can't see anything here that indicates that the drought has been originated by Gardai action. There are many other things that might have caused it.

burstbuckle

Landaris wrote: »

You would love me as a neighbour .

I'm afraid that I'm not talking about a few lads smoking weeds. If that was the case I might even hang out with them. I will not say the name of the drug because it wouldn't be wise to give so much information in a public forum, but I can tell you that is generally regarded to be as dangerous and addictive as heroin.

So you'd be ok to hang out smoking weed?suppose as long as it's not been dealt around your area

drunkmonkey

msg11 wrote: »

Well that's a site and a half!

That's not even the tip of the ice berg, there's a load of Irish sites for buying and selling what you want.
They even supply pictures http://m.topix.com/forum/ie/dublin/TEQULV6T5RUPHPF1Q : )

Nice to see a dealer getting blasted for selling bad weed.

the_syco

The Gardai may or may not have been watching the people you have reported.

Remember; if you intervene, and within the next week their supply dries up (due to a year long operation by the cops), they'll remember you, and your bad timing will mean that they'll take their anger out on your house. So leave it up to the Gardai to build their case; no point in them arresting one of the bottom feeders, and letting the big fish slip away.

kraggy

Landaris wrote: »

You would love me as a neighbour .

I'm afraid that I'm not talking about a few lads smoking weeds. If that was the case I might even hang out with them. I will not say the name of the drug because it wouldn't be wise to give so much information in a public forum, but I can tell you that is generally regarded to be as dangerous and addictive as heroin.

How do you know what they're dealing? Did you ask them?

Landaris

burstbuckle wrote: »

So you'd be ok to hang out smoking weed?suppose as long as it's not been dealt around your area

I am OK hanging out with my friends that smoke weeds. I don't smoke weeds, but I don't have any problem with it other than I don't like it. I'm pretty certain that there are lots of people selling weeds in my area and I don't even know about them because they don't cause problems. I'm not saying that weeds is good or bad. I'm saying that it's not my business.

However, the drug we are talking about turns good persons into mindless zombies that can only think about their next dose and are ready to hurt people to get it. And that IS my business.

kraggy wrote: »

How do you know what they're dealing? Did you ask them?

They told me without asking and they offered it to me. I used to be pals with one of the addicts before I realized what was going on.

Landaris

Credit where is due. The Gardai did eventually take action, and in a brilliant way indeed. They arrested the guy and got enough evidence to bring him to court. They took into consideration all the parties involved, and made an extra effort to help people affected where it seemed necessary. All my respect goes to them and the work they are doing.

On a side note that doesn't detract from their brilliant work, I still wonder why it took so long. My guess is that I was reporting to the wrong station and department. Since this is a drug related problem, I was reporting by phone to the National Garda Drugs Unit, and in person to the Store St. Garda Station, which is the one that has a drugs department. I did this for a few months and nothing happened. Then I went to my local Garda Station and they showed a lot more interest from the beginning. We had a one hour long interview to discuss all the details, they phoned me a couple of weeks later to get some more information, and they arrested the dealer a few days later. It looks like it might have been a matter of reporting in the right place.

Potential-Monke

I'd say that, combined with potential background surveillance which just happen to coincide with your recent report to your local. Not saying that did happen, but the local Gardai may have contacted the GNDU and they may have been doing something all along, hoping to get a better case. One can speculate.