Whats the rules regarding double yeller lines?

teR_

Say you need to stop outside a medical centre which has only one, currently engaged disabled bay with double yellow lines either side. Can you legally (without being fined) pull over on these yellow lines and embark/disembark passengers?

MarkR

No, it's no stopping at any time. People still do it, but no, it's not allowed.

Corkbah

http://www.rulesoftheroad.ie/rules-for-driving/parking/traffic-signs_road-markings.html

enuff said ! (click on the link to find out)

Wishbone Ash

MarkR wrote: »

No, it's no stopping at any time. People still do it, but no, it's not allowed.

The regulations regarding double yellow lines generally refer to parking only rather than stopping.

Prohibitions on Parking
36. (1) Save as otherwise provided for in these Regulations and subject to article 5, a vehicle shall not be parked on a public road at a location, in a manner or for a purpose referred to in this article.

(2) A vehicle shall not be parked—

( a ) on that side of a section of roadway along the edge of which traffic sign number RRM 008 [double yellow lines] has been provided;
( b ) on a section of roadway where traffic sign number RUS 019 [No Parking sign] has been provided, during the period indicated on the information plate accompanying such traffic sign;
( c ) within 5 metres of a road junction;
( d ) on a section of roadway with less than 3 traffic lanes and where traffic sign number RRM 001 [continuous white line] has been provided;
( e ) on a section of roadway where traffic sign number RUS 020, in association with RRM 029 [appointed stand], has been placed to indicate that an appointed stand has been provided;
( f ) in any place, position or manner that will result in the vehicle obstructing, delaying or interfering with the entrance to or exit from a fire brigade station, an ambulance station or a Garda station;
( g ) in any place, position or manner that will result in the vehicle obstructing an entrance or an exit for vehicles to or from a premises, save with the consent of the occupier of such premises;
( h ) within 15 metres (on the approach side) or 5 metres (on the side other than the approach side) of a section of roadway where any of the following traffic signs have been provided—
(i) traffic sign number RPC 001 [Pedestrian Crossing];
(ii) traffic sign number RPC 002 [Pedestrian Crossing Complex]; or
(iii) traffic sign numbers RTS 00I, RTS 002, RTS 003 or RTS 004 [traffic lights];
( i ) on a footway, a grass margin or a median strip;
( j ) on a part of a roadway which is a casual trading area, during hours of trading, unless the vehicle is for the time being in use for the purposes of casual trading;
( k ) in a manner in which it will interfere with the normal flow of traffic or which obstructs or endangers other traffic;
( l ) where traffic sign RUS 031 [bus stop] or RRM 030 [stopping place or stand] has been provided unless the vehicle is an omnibus.

The OP's situation would be described as a "set down" rather than "parking" and unless causing danger/disruption to other traffic I can't see how it would be illegal
but I'm open to correction.

spurious

It might be technically illegal, but allowed happen, as with so many other rules.

loobylou

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R4fxAcLUOlQ&feature=related

challengemaster

teR_ wrote: »

Say you need to stop outside a medical centre which has only one, currently engaged disabled bay with double yellow lines either side. Can you legally (without being fined) pull over on these yellow lines and embark/disembark passengers?

No.

teR_

Still none the wiser. There doesn't seem to be a clear rule regarding setting down a passenger on double yellows, setting down is different to parking, all the rules seem to explain parking that you guys are posting! Say for instance; Paddy a wheelchair bound man is getting a lift from his friend mick, there's double yellow lines outside paddy's house and all along is street. Does that mean paddy cannot be picked up or dropped off outside his house by his friend mick?

challengemaster

What's the difference between stopping and parking? In either case the vehicle is technically parked.

teR_

challengemaster wrote: »

What's the difference between stopping and parking? In either case the vehicle is technically parked.

The difference is; When you stop you cease movement and nothing else. When you park you stop and leave the vehicle until needed again.

endacl

It's allowed if you use your magic blinky lights. Not just in medical emergencies, but in any situation where finding a legal, non-disruptive parking spot is just too much hassle. Works well outside primary schools. Especially those within walking distance of where the chubby kid on board lives.

teR_

endacl wrote: »

It's allowed if you use your magic blinky lights. Not just in medical emergencies, but in any situation where finding a legal, non-disruptive parking spot is just too much hassle. Works well outside primary schools. Especially those within walking distance of where the chubby kid on board lives.

You mean the invisible cloak button? :pac:

gbob

teR_ wrote: »

The difference is; When you stop you cease movement and nothing else. When you park you stop and leave the vehicle until needed again.

So going by this argument if I don't actually get out of the car I'm doing nothing illegal and can stay as long as I like ? Nonsense. Stopping on double yellow lines is parking. Hardly likely that the powers that be would prosecute but lack of enforcement doesn't make it ok.

munchkin_utd

I'll start with a question!

If folks are saying that a "No Parking" sign or a double yellow line means no parking or stopping (stopping is NOT mentioned in rules of the road btw) then,
what is the difference between them and a "Clearway" where its SPECIFICALLY mentioned that parking or stopping is prohibited ?
If they are the same then why does a clearway exist and specifically mention no stopping?

See page 114 of the rules of the road and have a read and a think of what the rule actually IS, and not what you think the rule is.
http://www.rulesoftheroad.ie/pdf-downloads/english/rules-of-the-road%20eng.pdf

MarkR

So you can't park, you can stop, but probably shouldn't. If you leave the car, you're parked. Don't block the road for others, even with a disability to factor in.

starlit

No stopping on double yellow lines at any time! Not even for an emergency!
Only exception if it was a double broken yellow line/single broken yellow line you might be allowed to stop temporarily. Though only time you can park/stop at a single yellow line is outside working/business hours/outside times shown if plate is displayed.

If a clearway is there no parking at all, pedestrian zone no traffic allowed at all.

Wishbone Ash

gbob wrote: »

Stopping on double yellow lines is parking

So I'm "parking" at the end of my road when I take my place in the queue awaiting to exit onto a major road????

challengemaster

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

So I'm "parking" at the end of my road when I take my place in the queue awaiting to exit onto a major road????

Yes, you are. The car is parked.

Road Traffic Act 1961, Section 3 wrote:

“park”, in relation to a vehicle, means keep or leave stationary, and cognate words shall be construed accordingly;

teR_

OK. For the last time, stopping is not feckin parking. Lets clear this up now with some definitions of the words.

Definition of PARK

to leave temporarily on a public way or in a parking lot or garage
to land and leave (as an airplane)
to set and leave temporarily <parked his book on the chair>

Definition of STOP

Come to an end; cease.
A cessation of movement or operation.

A phone call to traffic corps. might clear this up, will ring them tomorrow.

fasttalkerchat

You do know it's yellow, as in the colour?

teR_

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

You do know it's yellow, as in the colour?

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fasttalkerchat

teR_ wrote: »

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Yea you said "double yeller lines".

I'm hoping it's just a typo!

teR_

fasttalkerchat wrote: »

Yea you said "double yeller lines".

I'm hoping it's just a typo!

Nah, It just felt like a good idea at the time to write yeller instead of yellow :P

gbob

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

So I'm "parking" at the end of my road when I take my place in the queue awaiting to exit onto a major road????

No that's called sitting in a line of traffic waiting to exit onto a major road !!!!

challengemaster

teR_ wrote: »

OK. For the last time, stopping is not feckin parking. Lets clear this up now with some definitions of the words.

Road traffic act says otherwise, and considering that IS the law, you won't hear otherwise from gardaí either.

Even the definitions you quoted say otherwise.

Stopping is the process of coming to a halt. If the car remains stationary it is then considered parked.

Stopping is not "I'll just sit here until it suits me to move"

munchkin_utd

From the road traffic act definitions section :

“park”, in relation to a vehicle, means keep or leave stationary, and cognate words shall be construed accordingly;

"stop" is not defined

The question there now is what to "keep" or "leave" a vehicle stationary means.
To me that means having the vehicle in a prolonged stationary state.

Examples of usages of the verbs to emphasise my point that stopping for longer than an instant is banned (and stopping momentarily to let someone alight is ok )
If you say keep a kettle on the boil its boiling for longer than an instant, its boiling for a good while. If you leave a kettle on the boil thats meaning almost indefinitely and youve abandoned it to its own devices.

In both cases it indicates that its a prolonged action thats banned, not a short action (of being stationary)

Wishbone Ash

gbob wrote: »

No that's called sitting in a line of traffic waiting to exit onto a major road !!!!

Well - you've appeared to have changed your opinion from your previous post as quoted below!

gbob wrote: »

Stopping on double yellow lines is parking

I think it's evidently clear that "stopping", "stopped" and "parking" are totally different actions.

No one yet has shown anything from the Statute Book to indicate that stopping on double yellow lines is illegal.

Wishbone Ash

teR_ wrote: »

A phone call to traffic corps. might clear this up

I doubt it. In my experience their knowledge of Road Traffic Legislation is very limited.

Turner

In Dublin city and county you are allowed to park on double yellow lines for a maximum of 30 mins if you are actively loading or unloading a vehicle.

From dublincity.ie
Single Yellow Lines No parking during hours indicated on the time plate (usually 07.00 - 19.00 Monday - Saturday), except while actively loading/unloading for a maximum of 30 minutes. Double Yellow Lines: No parking at any time except while actively loading/unloading for a maximum of 30 minutes

Im not sure if its a bye law, but the road traffic act says you cannot park on double yellows at any time. So its a bit of a contradiction.

Ill try source the law later.

gbob

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Well - you've appeared to have changed your opinion from your previous post as quoted below!



I think it's evidently clear that "stopping", "stopped" and "parking" are totally different actions.

No one yet has shown anything from the Statute Book to indicate that stopping on double yellow lines is illegal.

In the context of stopping at the side of the road is quite simply parking, in the context of shopping in a queue of traffic is so obviously not the same thing.

gbob

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

I doubt it. In my experience their knowledge of Road Traffic Legislation is very limited.

And that is one thing we can agree on

Wishbone Ash

Turner wrote: »

In Dublin city and county you are allowed to park on double yellow lines for a maximum of 30 mins if you are actively loading or unloading a vehicle.

From dublincity.ie
Single Yellow Lines No parking during hours indicated on the time plate (usually 07.00 - 19.00 Monday - Saturday), except while actively loading/unloading for a maximum of 30 minutes. Double Yellow Lines: No parking at any time except while actively loading/unloading for a maximum of 30 minutes

Im not sure if its a bye law, but the road traffic act says you cannot park on double yellows at any time. So its a bit of a contradiction.

Ill try source the law later.

Re: Loading/unloading - the vehicle must display commercial tax. A private car does not qualify even if loading/unloading. Those regulations are the same in other areas and are not in doubt here.

gbob wrote: »

in the context of shopping in a queue of traffic is so obviously not the same thing.

It's a very narrow road - when queuing, I'm at the edge of the road on top of the double yellow lines!

munchkin_utd

heres a collated version (restatement) of the various road traffic acts into one volume by the law reform commision.
Probably should be a sticky on every roads/ motors/ commuting fourm on boards!

http://www.lawreform.ie/_fileupload/Restatement/First%20Programme%20of%20Restatement/EN%20ACT%201961%200024.pdf