will i get caught out

tomgaa

over 2 years ago my parents lost the childrens allowance for me so i had to move out or they would lose money for me bringing an income into the house hold. i found a landlady who would allow me to use an address to say i was livin there if i paid 50€ per week. so i did, i went back to collage from 2012/2011 and got the back to education allowance but while i was away my parents filled out a form for fuel allowance for me that came in the post... and i gt an extra 20€ a week from it during winter. but i received a form today to fill out for this yrs fuel allowance but im not living or paying that 50€ any more. if i dont fill out the form willl the social welfare get suspicious and come lookin for me?????????. to be fair i dont care about the 20€ i just did it so my parents wouldnt lose money from the disability and other allowances they get... any advice

drunkmonkey

There going to catch you out at some stage if you keep scamming the system. Seriously Tom asking for advice on this is just downright insulting to any tax payer.

tomgaa

to be honest its 20€ that i just gave to my parents to help them out, i paid 50€ a week for a place i wasnt livin in so my parents wouldnt lose allowances that they need to survive as i said i dnt even want the 20€. im nt in favour of people scamming i just wish the social welfare would just f off and leave me allone. iv always looked for work and worked when ever anything came up, im even on job bridge at the mo and this is just hassle that i didnt need

Maggie 2

I sincerely hope you DO get caught.

XxMCRxBabyxX

tomgaa wrote: »

to be honest its 20€ that i just gave to my parents to help them out, i paid 50€ a week for a place i wasnt livin in so my parents wouldnt lose allowances that they need to survive as i said i dnt even want the 20€. im nt in favour of people scamming i just wish the social welfare would just f off and leave me allone. iv always looked for work and worked when ever anything came up, im even on job bridge at the mo and this is just hassle that i didnt need

But that is exactly what you have done?

Don't try to make excuses and expect nice responses on here when what you're doing is illegal and wasting the genuine taxpayers' money.

fatalll

Does not sound good Tom from any angle..

tomgaa

XxMCRxBabyxX wrote: »

But that is exactly what you have done?

Don't try to make excuses and expect nice responses on here when what you're doing is illegal and wasting the genuine taxpayers' money.

for 20€ a week for 36 weeks or wat ever it is, theres people wrking a full week and drawin the dole and you want to put me in the same catagorie as them?????

XxMCRxBabyxX

tomgaa wrote: »

for 20€ a week for 36 weeks or wat ever it is, theres people wrking a full week and drawin the dole and you want to put me in the same catagorie as them?????

Yes.

tomgaa

fatalll wrote: »

Does not sound good Tom from any angle..

oh i agree, im nt trying to find a way that i can make a quick buck or see how much i can get away with....

Maggie 2

tomgaa wrote: »

for 20€ a week for 36 weeks or wat ever it is, theres people wrking a full week and drawin the dole and you want to put me in the same catagorie as them?????

You are just as bad as them! Quit while you're ahead. That education you got was obviously wasted on you too.

tomgaa

Maggie 2 wrote: »

You are just as bad as them! Quit while you're ahead. That education you got was obviously wasted on you too.

ya course i am sure, at least i dont sit on my arse and be happy on the dole.. at least i went out and tried to further my education and now im on job bridge trying to gain experience to get full time work... :mad:

OU812

Why didn't you just give your parents the €50 a week ?

XxMCRxBabyxX

tomgaa wrote: »

ya course i am sure, at least i dont sit on my arse and be happy on the dole.. at least i went out and tried to further my education and now im on job bridge trying to gain experience to get full time work... :mad:

But you are still scamming the system and you know damn well that you are. Congratulations for trying to further your education (wouldn't hurt for you to brush up on spelling though) but that doesn't excuse anything.

tomgaa

OU812 wrote: »

Why didn't you just give your parents the €50 a week ?

wouldnt cover how much they'd lose per week

Piriz

Hi Tom, im guessing your young enough; about 25 or under....this places you in one of the most f*cked over cohorts in the country. The hardship your group face is incredible and to swindle the system a little is nothing compared to how your future has been swindled by many departments in the government. I can say this to you as its clear your making efforts to rise above the difficulties you face and hopefully as a result of your controversial manoeuvres you are nearing a situation where you'll find employment and cover your ass in taxes x1000 over the course of your career. Id say your situation is small beans in the wider context, ignore the letter and it will be filed in a place where it will probably not be followed up on ever. Hope the job bridge leads to paid employment... keep pluggin away and close the book on the small time welfare fraud!

Maggie 2

Piriz wrote: »

Hi Tom, im guessing your young enough; about 25 or under....this places you in one of the most f*cked over cohorts in the country. The hardship your group face is incredible and to swindle the system a little is nothing compared to how your future has been swindled by many departments in the government. I can say this to you as its clear your making efforts to rise above the difficulties you face and hopefully as a result of your controversial manoeuvres you are nearing a situation where you'll find employment and cover your ass in taxes x1000 over the course of your career. Id say your situation is small beans in the wider context, ignore the letter and it will be filed in a place where it will probably not be followed up on ever. Hope the job bridge leads to paid employment... keep pluggin away and close the book on the small time welfare fraud!

Jazus Piris, you're a ray of sunshine!

Merch

tomgaa wrote: »

over 2 years ago my parents lost the childrens allowance for me so i had to move out or they would lose money for me bringing an income into the house hold. i found a landlady who would allow me to use an address to say i was livin there if i paid 50€ per week. so i did, i went back to collage from 2012/2011 and got the back to education allowance but while i was away my parents filled out a form for fuel allowance for me that came in the post... and i gt an extra 20€ a week from it during winter. but i received a form today to fill out for this yrs fuel allowance but im not living or paying that 50€ any more. if i dont fill out the form willl the social welfare get suspicious and come lookin for me?????????. to be fair i dont care about the 20€ i just did it so my parents wouldnt lose money from the disability and other allowances they get... any advice

why did you have to move out?
if you were bringing in an income, then it doesnt seem like your parents would be entitled to childrens allowance, from you not being a child?!
Over 2yrs? how many over?

OU812

tomgaa wrote: »

wouldnt cover how much they'd lose per week

What was the difference between the €50 & the figure they'd lose ?

drunkmonkey

Jesus Tom I can't believe you were paying €50pw to not live somewhere, that's one of the daftest thing I've ever heard, is this a common enough problem for people?

dodderangler

Love the way you tax payers are givin out bout this thinkin that if people like him stop doin this then taxes will go down
Its Ireland no matter what taxes won't go down so may aswell take what you can
I pay taxes aswell but I'd rather an Irish lad like himself do this than some p**ck only off the boat that's working full time and claimin Whatever else he can off the government
And we all know this to be true
There's a few lads In my job that do it that are foreigners and yes there has been arguements with them over
But as I said I'd rather a Irish lad like him get it

ian87

Is this guy for real? Mods surely you can't allow this guy to post looking for advice on how to scam the hard pressed tax payer. I'm paying over 90 quid a week in my USC for the likes of this clown?

drunkmonkey

Think your missing the point angler, fraud from the state is fraud from the tax payers.

ian87

I'm reminded of the insurance fraud ad. "When Tom makes a fraudulent claim he is putting his hand in YOUR pocket"

Merch

dodderangler wrote: »

Love the way you tax payers are givin out bout this thinkin that if people like him stop doin this then taxes will go down
Its Ireland no matter what taxes won't go down so may aswell take what you can
I pay taxes aswell but I'd rather an Irish lad like himself do this than some p**ck only off the boat that's working full time and claimin Whatever else he can off the government
And we all know this to be true
There's a few lads In my job that do it that are foreigners and yes there has been arguements with them over
But as I said I'd rather a Irish lad like him get it

Whats the difference of him being irish doing and someone else doing it? its wrong, if either is doing it then why argue about it? if you felt so strongly that you or someone decided to say something to them about it, then why didnt you just say something to the SW ie report them

campo

So básically you had to move out as you would not have recieved anything and your parents no more allowance , so you give a fake address and you and parents scam system

tomgaa

because i was receiving an income i.e 188 dole, then that counts as an extra income into the household therefore more income for my parents so then they shouldnt be entitled to some reliefs such as free line rental and so fort, if stuff like this is taken off my parents then they wouldnt survive. agree or not with what i did... i did it for a genuine reason i gain nothing from it other than the fact that my parents can survive and provide for my younger brothers and i wouldnt change wat iv done wrong or not..... do i want to scam the system no..... but like any1 else you do what you do to survive

ian87

Why can't your parents work?

tomgaa

ian87 wrote: »

Why can't your parents work?

father on disability and not aloud to work mother is a housewife as i have younger brothers

Merch

tomgaa wrote: »

because i was receiving an income i.e 188 dole, then that counts as an extra income into the household therefore more income for my parents so then they shouldnt be entitled to some reliefs such as free line rental and so fort, if stuff like this is taken off my parents then they wouldnt survive. agree or not with what i did... i did it for a genuine reason i gain nothing from it other than the fact that my parents can survive and provide for my younger brothers and i wouldnt change wat iv done wrong or not..... do i want to scam the system no..... but like any1 else you do what you do to survive

So the childrens allowance wasnt lost? you were no longer entitled to it? and this happened at the same time you were receiving dole too, did that not get cut off when it was meant to?

tomgaa wrote: »

father on disability and not aloud to work mother is a housewife as i have younger brothers

Not allowed? by who?

ian87

I understand your in a tough situation but it really boils my blood that I along with 1000s like me are down a huge amount in our weekly paychecks and then hear about people defrauding the welfare system. Since 2009 until the past 6 weeks I've been unemployed for 6 out of every 12 months in the year and did my damnest not to claim social welfare as I felt I didn't deserve it. Why should I know work now to pay for other peoples social welfare which is fraudulently claimed?

XxMCRxBabyxX

tomgaa wrote: »

father on disability and not aloud to work mother is a housewife as i have younger brothers

How old are your brothers? Shouldn't stop her.

ian87

If your dad isn't working and your in education yet living at home surely there is enough adults in the house to mind these younger brothers? Or is it a case that your mother would be better off on social welfare so chooses to stay on it?

ian87

If your dad isn't working and your in education yet living at home surely there is enough adults in the house to mind these younger brothers? Or is it a case that your mother would be better off on social welfare so chooses to stay on it?

keelanj69

XxMCRxBabyxX wrote: »

How old are your brothers? Shouldn't stop her.

'Whats that? You have a disabled husband and young children? To the fields with you!!'

seems obvious why she may not be able to work.

Stheno

tomgaa wrote: »

father on disability and not aloud to work mother is a housewife as i have younger brothers

Can your Mum not work and your father take care of your younger brothers?

ian87

It gets fücking worse folks. Have look at tomgaa's posts including this one

http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2056761877?page

Stheno

ian87 wrote: »

It gets fücking worse folks. Have look at tomgaa's posts including this one

http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2056761877?page

Christ almighty

Juwwi

tomgaa wrote: »

because i was receiving an income i.e 188 dole, then that counts as an extra income into the household therefore more income for my parents so then they shouldnt be entitled to some reliefs such as free line rental and so fort, if stuff like this is taken off my parents then they wouldnt survive. agree or not with what i did... i did it for a genuine reason i gain nothing from it other than the fact that my parents can survive and provide for my younger brothers and i wouldnt change wat iv done wrong or not..... do i want to scam the system no..... but like any1 else you do what you do to survive

Not getting at you Tom

but why the fook are people getting free line rental
as extra benefits if they are on the dole.
:mad:

keelanj69

ian87 wrote: »

It gets fücking worse folks. Have look at tomgaa's posts including this one

http://touch.boards.ie/thread/2056761877?page

Checkmate. Close her up.

XxMCRxBabyxX

keelanj69 wrote: »

'Whats that? You have a disabled husband and young children? To the fields with you!!'

seems obvious why she may not be able to work.

What they said:

ian87 wrote: »

If your dad isn't working and your in education yet living at home surely there is enough adults in the house to mind these younger brothers? Or is it a case that your mother would be better off on social welfare so chooses to stay on it?

Stheno wrote: »

Can your Mum not work and your father take care of your younger brothers?

Don't jump to assumptions. It was a valid question. I just thought the same as the two above. Unless the poster is significantly older than his brothers as well I would imagine that the brother may be old enough to look after themselves.

CarrickMcJoe

ANything else to confess tomass? 10k in the bank and stealing from the taxpayer.

ian87

AT LEAST 10k in the bank. I see from your other posts that you are a civil engineer. So is my brother. And as it happened he had 10k sitting in the bank too. He went out and bought a franchise with that 10k and is know self employed and paying himself a wage. Not much but he decided social welfare wasn't for him and did something about it.

tomgaa

Merch wrote: »

So the childrens allowance wasnt lost? you were no longer entitled to it? and this happened at the same time you were receiving dole too, did that not get cut off when it was meant to?





Not allowed? by who?

no that went when i finished collage in 2008 since then its the allowances that they get that my dole would affect he has a heart condition.

ian87 wrote: »

I understand your in a tough situation but it really boils my blood that I along with 1000s like me are down a huge amount in our weekly paychecks and then hear about people defrauding the welfare system. Since 2009 until the past 6 weeks I've been unemployed for 6 out of every 12 months in the year and did my damnest not to claim social welfare as I felt I didn't deserve it. Why should I know work now to pay for other peoples social welfare which is fraudulently claimed?

i do 2 iv nvr wrked and claimed social welfare as i do believe that to b wrong and ya in a way what im doin is wrong but its something i have to

ian87 wrote: »

If your dad isn't working and your in education yet living at home surely there is enough adults in the house to mind these younger brothers? Or is it a case that your mother would be better off on social welfare so chooses to stay on it?

im finished with education since 2011, maybe it does work out better for the family for her to be on sw im not entirely sure

keelanj69

XxMCRxBabyxX wrote: »

Don't jump to assumptions. It was a valid question. I just thought the same as the two above. Unless the poster is significantly older than his brothers as well I would imagine that the brother may be old enough to look after themselves.

Fair enough. My response was more so in relation to the father giving that the level of disability is unknown. But i do agree with the points in regards the o.p.

tomgaa

ian87 wrote: »

AT LEAST 10k in the bank. I see from your other posts that you are a civil engineer. So is my brother. And as it happened he had 10k sitting in the bank too. He went out and bought a franchise with that 10k and is know self employed and paying himself a wage. Not much but he decided social welfare wasn't for him and did something about it.

hats off to him and all the best that takes balls... hope it works out for him

Stheno

tomgaa wrote: »

hats off to him and all the best that takes balls... hope it works out for him

You've savings of 10k and want to rip off tax payers for 20e per week for 36 weeks?

I'm a taxpayer, If I had savings 0f 10k I would prefer my DIRT and PRSI not to support a parasite like you.

With that money support your family.