Garda/rsa

cena

so this morning I was walking to the shop and I seen the garda out with the rsa guys checking the lorrys going through the village.

Is this an everyday thing for the rsa to do.

Technoprisoner

the rsa have i think 8 inspectors....all based in galway and given allowances to travel to the rest of the country to carry out their check points. seems a bit silly as the main checking points should be in and around the ports.... i would of thought hiring dublin based inspectors would be a better idea

cena

I didn't know they had lads that went around. Never seen this before today. what do they look for. Do they check cars too?

Technoprisoner

cena wrote: »

I didn't know they had lads that went around. Never seen this before today. what do they look for. Do they check cars too?

i think its purely to spot check trucks to make sure they are road worthy

Marlow

cena wrote: »

I didn't know they had lads that went around. Never seen this before today. what do they look for. Do they check cars too?

One of the things they do for example is trailers (road legality, weight legality) and overweight trucks etc. Basically regulation compliance. They assist the garda with information on those checkpoints, that the garda normally not would know of hand.

Recently there also has been a good few checkpoints pulling dodgy trailers on cars, where often a rsa guy is around.

/M

awec

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CiniO

I heard about them, but I've never seen one neither I've ever really believed they exist.

Interesting to know they they do exist, and even more that there is 8 of them.

Marlow

awec wrote: »

Do they check your fuel as well?

Fuel has nothing to do with road safety. That would be customs.

/M

-Corkie-

CiniO wrote: »

I heard about them, but I've never seen one neither I've ever really believed they exist.

Interesting to know they they do exist, and even more that there is 8 of them.

There should be way more but due to the recession it didn't happen. They purchased a fleet of bikes for the officers but they are parked in Ballina since 07..

Technoprisoner

-Corkie- wrote: »

There should be way more but due to the recession it didn't happen. They purchased a fleet of bikes for the officers but they are parked in Ballina since 07..

but still...its a bit of a joke having all 8 of them living in galway when the bulk of there work would be dublin/wexford/cork

Marlow

Technoprisoner wrote: »

but still...its a bit of a joke having all 8 of them living in galway when the bulk of there work would be dublin/wexford/cork

They don't actively do anything actually. They assist the garda with training at the checkpoints and bring the garda up to scratch on the rules, that they need to enforce, so they are anywhere in the country. The RSA lads can't enforce diddly squad. It's down to the garda to enforce.

Doesn't matter, where they are based.

/M

sheehan12

Marlow wrote: »

They don't actively do anything actually. They assist the garda with training at the checkpoints and bring the garda up to scratch on the rules, that they need to enforce, so they are anywhere in the country. The RSA lads can't enforce diddly squad. It's down to the garda to enforce.

Doesn't matter, where they are based.

/M

rsa lad will hop up into cab of truck and check the driver tachograph that what rsa do at the checkpoints

Marlow

sheehan12 wrote: »

rsa lad will hop up into cab of truck and check the driver tachograph that what rsa do at the checkpoints

The garda can do that, too, if necessary. Don't need the RSA for that. As far as I've understood, the primary idea of those 8 RSA lads is more to get the garda up to scratch.

Especially, because it's not only trucks they're after.

It's even trailers on cars etc.

/M

kaimera

Pretty sure I happened across a few RSA + Gardai at a checkpoint here - http://goo.gl/maps/g6A3q - on Mon or Tues.

Defo checking fuel - a couple of transits were stopped with some yoke coming out of the fuel tank

HellFireClub

cena wrote: »

so this morning I was walking to the shop and I seen the garda out with the rsa guys checking the lorrys going through the village.

Is this an everyday thing for the rsa to do.

Fair play to them, as we were discussing the other day though, you'd have to ask where the safety compliance is when it comes to the most fundamental of things, like defective headlamps at night. This is just more of it, people being paid expenses to traipse up and down the country setting up checkpoints to check trucks, etc, whereas if they introduced a mandatory €50 on the spot fine for anyone driving a car with a one dodgy headlamp at the moment, it would be a windfall for the government.

Marlow

kaimera wrote: »

Pretty sure I happened across a few RSA + Gardai at a checkpoint here - http://goo.gl/maps/g6A3q - on Mon or Tues.

Defo checking fuel - a couple of transits were stopped with some yoke coming out of the fuel tank

The RSA doesn't go near fuel. Could have been a combined checkpoint of garda, rsa and customs though.

/M

Mr Simpson

kaimera wrote: »

Pretty sure I happened across a few RSA + Gardai at a checkpoint here - http://goo.gl/maps/g6A3q - on Mon or Tues.

Defo checking fuel - a couple of transits were stopped with some yoke coming out of the fuel tank

That was customs and gardai, I went through that checkpoint as well.

Technoprisoner

Marlow wrote: »

They don't actively do anything actually. They assist the garda with training at the checkpoints and bring the garda up to scratch on the rules, that they need to enforce, so they are anywhere in the country. The RSA lads can't enforce diddly squad. It's down to the garda to enforce.

Doesn't matter, where they are based.

/M

they receive an allowance for traveling around the country when surely it would be better to have 3 based in Dublin 2 in cork and the rest spread liberally around the country. instead of having all 8 based in galway

Silvera

HellFireClub wrote: »

Fair play to them, as we were discussing the other day though, you'd have to ask where the safety compliance is when it comes to the most fundamental of things, like defective headlamps at night. This is just more of it, people being paid expenses to traipse up and down the country setting up checkpoints to check trucks, etc, whereas if they introduced a mandatory €50 on the spot fine for anyone driving a car with a one dodgy headlamp at the moment, it would be a windfall for the government.

On-the-spot fines are now in place for dodgy headlamps, tailights, brake lights, number plate lights, trailer lights etc etc.

Marlow

Technoprisoner wrote: »

they receive an allowance for traveling around the country when surely it would be better to have 3 based in Dublin 2 in cork and the rest spread liberally around the country. instead of having all 8 based in galway

So, instead of paying for one office, you want the government to pay for 3 offices. The travel-allowance won't be less, because they still cover all of the country and the savings that might be there, definatly doesn't cover the rental price for offices.

Have you thought that one through ?

I think it's actually great, that for once an office is not based in Dublin. And in the case of the RSA officiers with the task they have been allocated, their work is anywhere in the country, not just Dublin. It really doesn't matter where they are based.

Plus the location of the office probably works out a lot cheaper.

/M

Technoprisoner

well if they can do diddly squat when it comes to prosecutions why would they need an office? no conviction no paperwork.. besides im sure there are plenty of government buildings with a spare office around the country..they wouldnt exactly require a purpose built office for them

Marlow

Technoprisoner wrote: »

well if they can do diddly squat when it comes to prosecutions why would they need an office? no conviction no paperwork.. besides im sure there are plenty of government buildings with a spare office around the country..they wouldnt exactly require a purpose built office for them

You didn't read anything above, did you? The only ones that can enforce the law is the garda. The RSA sets policy and trains the garda how to apply it. If necessary in the field, like these people do.

They do exactly, what they are intended to do.

/M

Technoprisoner

Marlow wrote: »

You didn't read anything above, did you? The only ones that can enforce the law is the garda. The RSA sets policy and trains the garda how to apply it. If necessary in the field, like these people do.

They do exactly, what they are intended to do.

/M

im well aware that they have no power of arrest...the point i am trying to make is they are pretty much a waste of money.. they are paid allowances for working outside of galway which isnt exactly a hub for truck traffic is it? the garda use to have a lot of qualified members who could advise on this without the need for the rsa. What about the p.s.v inspectors? they did a very good job for years until the rsa came along.

Marlow

Technoprisoner wrote: »

im well aware that they have no power of arrest...the point i am trying to make is they are pretty much a waste of money.. they are paid allowances for working outside of galway which isnt exactly a hub for truck traffic is it? the garda use to have a lot of qualified members who could advise on this without the need for the rsa. What about the p.s.v inspectors? they did a very good job for years until the rsa came along.

Again. You still haven't read my previous comments. Trucks is a very small ruleset of what they have to do with. They train the garda on all rules that have to do with road safety.

I've for example seen them out with the Garda around Ballinasloe pulling cars with trailers and checking that they are build in line with specification required, that they have load rated tyres and that the brakes are fitted properly and working.

There are tons more other scenarios where these lads come in. Be it tractors, cars, trailers, trucks or anything else that moves on irish roads.

/M

Technoprisoner

Marlow wrote: »

Again. You still haven't read my previous comments. Trucks is a very small ruleset of what they have to do with. They train the garda on all rules that have to do with road safety.

I've for example seen them out with the Garda around Ballinasloe pulling cars with trailers and checking that they are build in line with specification required, that they have load rated tyres and that the brakes are fitted properly and working.

There are tons more other scenarios where these lads come in. Be it tractors, cars, trailers, trucks or anything else that moves on irish roads.

/M

and like ive already said the garda psv inspectors are well capable of doing this...these are the garda that give evidence in fatal car crashes as well as inspecting buses and limo's to be licensed to carry passengers. they are well versed on the rules and regulations when it comes to trailers/tractors/cars/bikes/trucks you name it. These are highly trained members who the rsa often turn to for guidance and conformation on legal standings

Marlow

Technoprisoner wrote: »

and like ive already said the garda psv inspectors are well capable of doing this...these are the garda that give evidence in fatal car crashes as well as inspecting buses and limo's to be licensed to carry passengers. they are well versed on the rules and regulations when it comes to trailers/tractors/cars/bikes/trucks you name it. These are highly trained members who the rsa often turn to for guidance and conformation on legal standings

Different purpose. The RSA is involved in making the policies and training the garda. They then might collect feedback how usefull the application of these policies are and confirm legal standing with garda psv inspectors.

However, there's also a limited amount of garda psv inspectors. They can't be everywhere in the field doing these inspections. Hence you see the RSA guys out with the traffic corps.

Definatly not waste of money, as you might see, that they finally start enforcing other aspects of the legislation than the easy targets and that's badly needed.

/M

Technoprisoner

Marlow wrote: »

Different purpose. The RSA is involved in making the policies and training the garda. They then might collect feedback how usefull the application of these policies are and confirm legal standing with garda psv inspectors.

they make the policies but do not train the garda

However, there's also a limited amount of garda psv inspectors. They can't be everywhere in the field doing these inspections. Hence you see the RSA guys out with the traffic corps.[/QUOTE]

looks to me like there are more psv inspectors than rsa inspectors
National PSV Offices and Officers.

County
Town Officer Phone No. Carlow / Kildare
Naas Sgt, Donal Prendergast 045 894300 (Assistant) Gda, Tony O'Halloran
Cavan/ Monaghan Monaghan Gda, Jim Egan 047 77200


Clare Ennis Gda, Maurice Nolan 065 6848100


Cork E.R.
Anglesea Street
Fermoy
Gda, Paddy Donovan
Gda, Ml O'Donovan
021 4522000
025 31222
025 82100
Cork W.R. Bandon Sgt, Dennis O'Shea 023 41145 Donegal
Letterkenny Sgt, John McDaid 074 9167100 D.M.A Carriage Office
Dublin Castle
Gda, Adrian Tucker
Gda, Mick Treacy
Gda, John Flood
01 6669850
01 6669851
01 6669852
Gallimh Thiar
Galway Sgt, Tony McHugh 091 538000 Kerry
Tralee Gda, Jim O'Brien 066 7102300
086 8526006
Limerick Henry Street Gda Mick Reddy 061 212400 Laois/Offaly Portlaoise Gda, John Galvin 057 8674100 Longford / Westmeath
Mullingar Gda, Sean Daly 044 9384065
044 9384000
Louth / Meath Drogheda Sgt, J. Seamus Walsh 041 9874200 Mayo Castlebar Sgt Gabriel McLoughlin 094 9022222 Roscommon / Galway E Roscommon Gda, Dave Healy
(Assistant) Gda Brendan Mee
090 6638300 Sligo / Leitrim
Sligo Sgt P.J. Gallagher 071 9142031 Tipperary Thurles Gda, John Ryan 0504 25100 Waterford / Kilkenny Waterford Gda, Joseph Robison 051 305300 Wexford Wexford Gda, Stuart O'Sullivan 053 9165200


Definatly not waste of money, as you might see, that they finally start enforcing other aspects of the legislation than the easy targets and that's badly needed.
but they dont have to power to enforce anything
/M[/QUOTE]

Marlow

Why does this matter so much to you ?

The Garda PSV Officers and the RSA lads have different objectives and tasks, even though they might overlap.

Combine the amount of them, that has to give an improvement at some point.

I find it great, that the regular Garda have people at the checkpoints with them, that give them advise on what also is important to check for. Not just speed and tax. There are far more dangerous elements on our roads.

/M

HellFireClub

Marlow wrote: »

Why does this matter so much to you ?

The Garda PSV Officers and the RSA lads have different objectives and tasks, even though they might overlap.

Combine the amount of them, that has to give an improvement at some point.

I find it great, that the regular Garda have people at the checkpoints with them, that give them advise on what also is important to check for. Not just speed and tax. There are far more dangerous elements on our roads.

/M

How many of these public sector stoogies does it take at a checkpoint to see that every second person is driving with defective headlamps at the moment??? And we wonder why we have no money left to run the fúcking country, with "multi-agency" checkpoints now the new show in town, no doubt with expenses being claimed for mileage for these bucks traipsing all across the country when the most obvious threat to health & safety with regard to safe motoring is right under their fúcking noses?!?