deer found on hill from poachers

browning 12 bore

http://www.wicklownews.net/Post/2012/10/2973/hillwalkers-left-sickened-after-poachers-leave-deer-remains-on-walking-path
its really giving us a very bad name nothing bout mr fox drags deer reamins as well every where

Jonty

A lot of blinkered comments made underneath the article.

I do not agree that just because the deer remains werent there the day before, and there the next day means they were poached at night.

However they were out of season.

As an aside, it is each hunter's responsibility to ensure the gralloch is disposed of properly.

The Aussie

browning 12 bore wrote: »

its really giving us a very bad name

I see it differently, Poachers are not Hunters and Hunters are not Poachers.
I would use anyone as a verbal pin cushion who tried to heap me in with those Knackes :rolleyes:

garv123

So someone couldn't have shot the deer at last light or first light before hillwalkers are even out of bed?

Also doesnt the seasons say male deer. It doesnt say the age of the deer so if the deer shot was male, technically it is not out of season..



Still the remains should have been better disposed of.

Every chance people to blame lamping they take though..
At this rate I wouldnt be surprised if all lamping was made illegal.

patsat

garv123 wrote: »

Also doesnt the seasons say male deer. It doesnt say the age of the deer so if the deer shot was male, technically it is not out of season..

No, the season isn't to do with male and female. Only deer that can be shot now are deer with antlers. So if you see a fawn that is male its not legal to shoot it just because you know its a male! It must have antlers

It wasn't me!

Yep, the licence specifies that antlerless male deer under one year old are covered under the same season as hinds and does. If it's not got antlers right now, it shouldn't have a cross-hairs on it either.

Fallow01

browning 12 bore wrote: »

http://www.wicklownews.net/Post/2012/10/2973/hillwalkers-left-sickened-after-poachers-leave-deer-remains-on-walking-path
its really giving us a very bad name nothing bout mr fox drags deer reamins as well every where

A similar incident in Kerry last week, with a Red Stag having it's head cut off & the carcass dumped. Also some Sika showing up in the same scenario - how bad those it have to get!!:mad:

I wonder will the game dealers buy these Co Wicklow out of season deer

meathstevie

Sure a dealer would be clean of the hook once a male carcass minus a head gets delivered to them. Who'll tell the difference between a small pricket and a large calf on sight ?

Conmaicne Mara

garv123 wrote: »

At this rate I wouldnt be surprised if all lamping was made illegal.

I would. Lamping deer is not legal now, so making lamping foxes/rabbits illegal would not change anything. Poachers breaking the law would still have access to lights and they'd still lamp deer. The only people to be put out are people who lamp foxes/rabbits within the law. The problem is illegal actions, not lamps.

browning 12 bore

i just realised lads in the report it says that they were shot at night it says how do they know that was there a time of death done on them i mean how do they know it was poachers it might have been a hunter during the day also he might have a section 42 as well hence the two hinds heads i think my self i was a staged by a novice hunter just trying to get his name out there thats in my own opinion

garv123

browning 12 bore wrote: »

i just realised lads in the report it says that they were shot at night it says how do they know that was there a time of death done on them i mean how do they know it was poachers it might have been a hunter during the day also he might have a section 42 as well hence the two hinds heads i think my self i was a staged by a novice hunter just trying to get his name out there thats in my own opinion

Why would a novice hunter shoot 2 hinds and leave their head and legs on a path.. How will that get his name out there?

Unless someone is going around bragging about shooting a hind and leaving it on a path?

greengrasscork

browning 12 bore wrote: »

i just realised lads in the report it says that they were shot at night it says how do they know that was there a time of death done on them i mean how do they know it was poachers it might have been a hunter during the day also he might have a section 42 as well hence the two hinds heads i think my self i was a staged by a novice hunter just trying to get his name out there thats in my own opinion

Yeah i can't see a novice hunter doing that to just to get his name out there!! Just deer poached out of season is the likely story here

browning 12 bore

yea when i look at that last post so sorry lads terrrible use of words a ovice would not be the word here but a section 42 would be a possabilty in my own opinion

Ape Owners

nothing to do with deer but was talking to a mate earlier whos involved with sheep. found sheep dead in field and brought to vets to determine cause of death...verdict was a .22 bullet..now lads thats bad and by the way i dont shoot and have nothing against anyone that does.seems like a stray bullet or could someone mistake a ewe for a fox?

It wasn't me!

Some tools will shoot at eyes right on the edge of shítty lamplight, failing to verify the body behind the set of eyes. Certainly not the first or last sheep that'll be killed that way, but it's very poor practice. "Pretty sure" is not the same as knowing it's a fox behind the eyes.

tomcat220t

Hi Ape, sheep eyes are not the same as fox eyes under the lamp .
Sounds a bad story !
Regards ,Tomcat.

foxboy

tomcat220t wrote: »

Hi Ape, sheep eyes are not the same as fox eyes under the lamp .
Sounds a bad story !
Regards ,Tomcat.

you are right in saying sheep eyes dont look like fox eyes
but you have to know the difference
I had a fellow with me one night and he was convinced the pair of sheep eyes we were looking at was a fox and I think he would of fired if I wasnt there to stop him, he nearly had a heart attack when I light up the sheep
one single sheep in the corner of a field with no other sheep in sight

I would never fire at eyes unless I was 110% sure they belonged to a fox ( light him up and confirm or view through the scope )

Dalken

It’s so annoying when this kind of thing happens; all it takes is a few irresponsible clowns..poachers, hunters, wan*ers; call them what you like.. Real shame is most of the deer men I know (I’m not one myself) are some of the most intuitive and conscientious hunters you’ll meet. It’s an unfortunate fact of life that fieldsports practices will always be severely scrutinised so this kind of messing drags us all down.

Deerspotter

So what is the proper way to dispose of a deer your skinned on the hill?

J. Ramone

I've only had to deal with gralloch personally but if I shoot a big stag on a mountainside I guess I'd have to have a plan in place.

Common sense would say a gralloch should have the contents removed and left in a place where it will not contaminate a watercourse. Thereby it would be scavenged quickly or else decompose quickly. A hide presents another challenge in that hair takes a long time to - shall we say become one with the earth again. Legally you might be obliged to bring it with you which might not be a huge inconvenience. Common sense would rule that deer hair should not be left to line the path of the recreational trekker for months on end.

I haven't overly dwelt on the precise legallity of gralloch/trimming removal but I'm sure it's in the speedlearn MCQ HCAP manual I once skimmed. I've a feeling under strict interpretation of law, we should be aware of our shortcomings on our usual gralloch practices.

On a point concerning grouse (and wader/mountain ground nesting birds) conservation, I think we should be cautious of assisting fox populations in mountain environments.

Conmaicne Mara

J. Ramone wrote: »

On a point concerning grouse (and wader/mountain ground nesting birds) conservation, I think we should be cautious of assisting fox populations in mountain environments.

Shoot him when he comes for a feed.

browning 12 bore

in relation to disposing of green offal and red offal as i recently done a trained hunter course and all i was told was to BURY IT now this brings up a lot of issues in my eyes ok here we go if i shoot big stag i would need a bloody mini digger to bury the head then once it is buried it might seep into the water table i could be wrong on that but it is a issue i would be concerned bout

Dalken

Deerspotter wrote: »

So what is the proper way to dispose of a deer your skinned on the hill?

Well not to leave whats left on or near a walking path would be a no brainer.

juice1304

I grolloched a deer there a couple of weeks ago. Went back to the same spot the next day to collect head and there was nothing left of the innereds bar what was inside the intestines, the intestines themselves were gone too though. I would say i left them there for no longer than 13hrs.

welsummer

When I shoot a deer I leave everything I possible can behind me. Intestines, stomach, heart, lungs and liver(gralloch), all get left on the spot where the deer was shot. When I get back to my transport I then remove the Tail, vent, bladder, testicials, penis and windpipe and these too are left out in the open to be cleaned up by the foxes, ravens, grey crows, magpies, etc. and twenty four hours later all you would see is the grass contents of the stomach. The head and legs are then removed and put into heavy cover, but not in a place where they can be dragged back out into the field or anywhere that they could be easily seen. When I butcher up the deer at home all the waste, scraps are put in a bucket and then on my next shooting trip I bring it with me to be recycled by the scavenger's. It is very important that the deer skin is put in the heaviest cover as this can be dragged around for months and can be an unsightly sight in the middle of the field. After 24 hours the land owner or general public should not see any evidence that you had been around.

daithi55

heads legs and bones are given to one of the lads in our club for his dogs to chew on

Grizzly 45

American trappers have a nifty idea on this..Take all the guts,carcasses of skinned critters that are inedible and dump it in a "gut pile" somplace that you can keep an eye on,or is withing handy rifleshot.
It works as an attactant to other predators like foxes,coyotes etc.So you can wait them out or put snares or traps in certain spots to catch more of them...
Deer skins,[or better known as "capes"],well they dont waste those and tan them for either buckskin leather or capes for rugs etc.
Its pretty easy to do as well.Google Brain tanning to see how..:cool: