Buying a Drill

karlitob

Hi all,

I am buying a new drill and was looking for some advice. I've read through other posts but didn't find what I was looking for.

This is my first drill and I want to buy something good that will last. I am a budding DIY enthusiast and will want to use my drill for woodworking projects and some masonary work.

So
Makita
- Makita 8391DWPETK 18V Combi Drill & 101 Piece Accessory Kit. €150inc VAT - - http://www.toolstop.co.uk/makita-8391dwpetk-18v-combi-drill-2-batteries-with-101-piece-accessory-set-p12013

- Ive read that the battery isnt great and that the chuck isn't good either and I would need to tighten regularly.

- any other Makita products that would give as good value.


Milwaukee

DeWalt
- DeWALT DCD785C2 18V XT Li-ion 2 Speed Compact Combi Cordless Drill 2 x 1.5Ah Batteries €200
- http://www.caulfieldindustrial.com/dewalt-dcd785c2-18v-xt-liion-2-speed-compact-combi-cordless-drill-2-x-1-5ah-batteries/p-e13646pd.html

- Ive read that the warranty isnt as good as other products and that the battery is not as good.


Pansonic
- any thoughts on panasonic.
- I read somewhere that panasonic make makita and put panasonic parts into makita but better parts into their own similar level models.

Hilti
- SFH 22-A
- Not sure of prices but I think its too rich for my blood and for what I need.

vs

Black and Decker

-http://www.woodiesdiy.com/Product/Black-and-Decker-18-Volt-Hammer-Drill-EPC188BK/10875/1.0.14 €75.

- http://www.pixmania.ie/ie/uk/3529785/art/black-decker/hp188f4lk-cordless-drill.html €160.00

- http://www.littlewoodsireland.ie/black-decker-hp188f4bk-18-volt-cordless-hammer-drill/595281581.prd €170



AEG

- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUGctMVY6HY €130 in B&Q

So, any thoughts would be welcome.

Thanks

chris445

Personally I wouldnt use any of these drills for masonary work. I would use at least a 24V if not bigger for any masonary if I was going portable. I have had a hilti sf-180A for the last 7 years and have had it serviced twice and its well worth the money if its looked after. It has a masonary option on the drill but I don't use it if i can help it because it tends to wear out the brushes very easily. I also have the 18V makita(without the litium ion batteries) and it has served me well for over 2 years now but as I said I would only be using these for timber/steel drilling and very rarely some light masonary work into blocks but would avoid this if at all possible.

karlitob

chris445 wrote: »

Personally I wouldnt use any of these drills for masonary work. I would use at least a 24V if not bigger for any masonary if I was going portable. I have had a hilti sf-180A for the last 7 years and have had it serviced twice and its well worth the money if its looked after. It has a masonary option on the drill but I don't use it if i can help it because it tends to wear out the brushes very easily. I also have the 18V makita(without the litium ion batteries) and it has served me well for over 2 years now but as I said I would only be using these for timber/steel drilling and very rarely some light masonary work into blocks but would avoid this if at all possible.

Thanks for that.

I take your point about a separate drill for the separate job of masonary - what about block walls at home and putting up a picture? Would a combi not suffice?

chris445

Yes it would do small jobs like that no problem. Blocks arent too bad to drill into but personally wouldn't make a habit of using the masonary setting. I would recommend the Makita drill for any DIY enthusiast. I havn't had any problem with it in 2 years and I would use it almost every weekday in work. Even though it's not the litium ion battery version its still a good drill for DIY and all the accesories will come in very handy.

One shot on kill

I also use Panasonic and find them excellent and find it hard to use any other drill after the Panasonic but I'd definitely buy a second drill for drilling block/concrete it would be a great investment once there getting enough use obviously. But you will kill a combi with to much use.

2 stroke

For regular use I'd recomend panasonic, but if you're only talking diy, I'd go aldi and possibly mains for masonry. No point buying expensive battery powered tools unless you're going to make use of them. Batteries won't last forever, especially with infrequent use. Replacment batteries are nearly as expensive as new tools.

karlitob

2 stroke wrote: »

For regular use I'd recomend panasonic, but if you're only talking diy, I'd go aldi and possibly mains for masonry. No point buying expensive battery powered tools unless you're going to make use of them. Batteries won't last forever, especially with infrequent use. Replacment batteries are nearly as expensive as new tools.

Now that you say it, I'm not so certain why I think I need a battery operated drill.

Would you reckon - battery for DIY. Mains for masonry (about the house).?

Thanks again for all your advice.

flintash

My DIY experience with drills is that almost everytime I take it for use batteries are dead. I believe reason is NI-CAD that dont hold charge (correct me if I'm wrong) so I diy'ed one of batteries into NI-MH, I just did it very recently so cannot comment how long NI-MH will last. For "hanging frames" I have cheap corded drill that works fine on my house walls.
My cordless ,by the way, is green Bosch- beside batteries performance I'm happy with it. Its nice to have cordless cause you just take it and drill without worries of socket and extension lead.

slpower01

For everyday use I have one of the older model 18v DeWalts which does an amazing job still only thing against it these days is weight.... That will get through concrete fairly well but to save the live of it a bit I also use a cheapy corded hammer drill from aldi (which I originally bought for a concrete mixer with a paddle but found more uses).

sully123

my out look on drills is this.

you will need at least two to cover all bases.
but that does not mean that you will have to spend a fortune

- get a reasonably priced good quality cordless drill like a de walt or makita.
18 volt with 2 batteries
you can get this sorted in b and q for around 100 euro

also

- get a heavy hammer drill. must be SDS. since all this really needs is a heavy motor you dont have to spend too much.
i have found cheap high wattage hammer drills out of argos to be quite good
also woodies do a bosch for about 100. even the ones that come up in lidl are quite powerful and will have no trouble getting thru a block wall.

basically you cant expect to do any heavy work with the cordless but they are great for wood work and driving screws.

learnerplates

the Makita 18V is now on sale in B&Q for 125euro.
the 101 Makita accessory kit is 22euro.
(http://www.screwfix.com/p/makita-8391dwpetk-18v-combi-drill-101-piece-accessory-kit/83834)