Luck Penny?

jimmydkid

After selling cattle in the mart today i was approached by a guy who said he had bought ten of them, he asked about what sort of cows they were out of and i told him all the breeding details and then askd me how much luck money was i going to give him. I have often heard of luck money changing hands in private deals but never did i hear of a buyer following a seller out the door of a mart and demanding it, Is this normal??

pakalasa

Years ago, there was this one guy who would always buy our cattle. These were 1 1/2 yr old stores. My father would always give him a luck penny. He was buying for a large farm he was working on. Luck Penny was going straight into his own pocket, without his boss ever knowing. We were happy too as he kept bidding until he had them.:D

Its part of the old negotiating choreography at fairs or private deals, the last step. I don't think it has any place in the auction mart scenario. Are you even sure he was the purchaser? he might be just a chancer.

whelan1

i would have told him to fook off:)

moy83

Ya I would have said the same as Whelan and maybe said that they were sold too cheap , you cant beat the poor mouth with them people :D

dar31

normal practice for private deals,
at a mart, unheard off.
think your man was chancing his arm

is that not part of the mart process, that you have no dealing with the end man.
what do you think the mart manager would have said if he came to him looking for luck!!

Nobbies

whelan1 wrote: »

i would have told him to fook off:)

ah go easy on him whelan,he was probably born in the 1930,s.

whelan1

dar31 wrote: »

normal practice for private deals,
at a mart, unheard off.
think your man was chancing his arm

is that not part of the mart process, that you have no dealing with the end man.
what do you think the mart manager would have said if he came to him looking for luck!!

90% of the time when i sell at the mart i have no idea who bought the animals, so it doesnt bother me who buys them, think it was very cheeky of that lad to look for a luck penny

caseman

Always tip the the main buyer in ballymote .He buys 90% of my weanlings for export every year.
He dose'nt look for anything but always pay a premium.Everybody happy.

jimmydkid

I told him that the cattle he bought were lucky enough without any money changing hands, he got very loud and aggresive which kind off caught me off guard, I said i didnt ask him to buy them and he just started swearing and telling me he put €50 a head in my pocket. Maybe he was a chancer i might say it to the mart manager on monday

bbam

Definitely say it to the mart.
Feckin cheek of the fella to approach you looking for money.

whelan1

jimmydkid wrote: »

I told him that the cattle he bought were lucky enough without any money changing hands, he got very loud and aggresive which kind off caught me off guard, I said i didnt ask him to buy them and he just started swearing and telling me he put €50 a head in my pocket. Maybe he was a chancer i might say it to the mart manager on monday

prick! i would have gone mad, what a chancer

jimmydkid

whelan1 wrote: »

prick! i would have gone mad, what a chancer

When i came home and thought about it i got really annoyed but at the time i had just came out of the sellers box so i wasnt fully tuned in.

jimmydkid

bbam wrote: »

Definitely say it to the mart.
Feckin cheek of the fella to approach you looking for money.

It was my first time selling at that mart so i didnt want to create a fuss at the time but i will call in on monday just in case he is a chancer and trying it on with new faces

Nobbies

for sure he was only chancing his arm looking for aluck penny,he did buy ten of them.i would,nt fault him for looking,but yes he must ave been abit of abollox swearing at you over it.

cj maxx

never sold at the mart , yet:D but any time i bought the seller gave me a luck 'penny' which ranged from a handful of change to a tenner. i paid gombeen prices as i needed stock but i think its more an old custom. if yer man was looking a luck penny give him a fiver/tenner as luck, i wouldnt be thinking any more.its more a gesture than anything

jimmydkid

cjmc wrote: »

never sold at the mart , yet:D but any time i bought the seller gave me a luck 'penny' which ranged from a handful of change to a tenner. i paid gombeen prices as i needed stock but i think its more an old custom. if yer man was looking a luck penny give him a fiver/tenner as luck, i wouldnt be thinking any more.its more a gesture than anything

How did you meet the seller to get luck money? did the seller try to find you becauce i had no idea who bought mine. its a lovely old traditional idea in the right circumstances

bob charles

I often get it at marts but never be aggressive looking for it. I would be happy enough with whatever im given, if its a penny I may call him a .... in my head but would never say it. I would always throw it into a deal when were on the home straight in saying little "give me a decent lucks penny and we have a deal". Personally dont think there is anything wrong with asking in a decent way.

heading off out now to pay a guy for a few animals and my lucks penny will be in porter:cool:

cj maxx

jimmydkid wrote: »

How did you meet the seller to get luck money? did the seller try to find you becauce i had no idea who bought mine. its a lovely old traditional idea in the right circumstances

yeah , either they can see me from the box or ask. not sure, but they came to me and put the money in my hand, not much chat or anything.
im only buying a few to slowly get stock so i would not by any means be into buying big numbers or any dealing.

Bodacious

i have given E50 in the past as a luck penny in private sale, breeding heifers and also have given "lovely old men from locally" E10 for buying stores in the mart and have no problem with that but at a mart recently same as OP a w**ker followed me down the pens looking for a luck penny.. half aggressively.. i took none of his **** and gave him E2.00 in the end as animal was for my neighbour anyway..,. that crack should be stamped out in mart.

Dealers at it too outside, "ill give you say E900 and Book her in at that but i want E30 luck", so he has docket for farmer saying E900, E40 buyers fee, E20 transport and E30 luck money in the hip pocket on the quiet!!!:D

DMAXMAN

jimmydkid wrote: »

After selling cattle in the mart today i was approached by a guy who said he had bought ten of them, he asked about what sort of cows they were out of and i told him all the breeding details and then askd me how much luck money was i going to give him. I have often heard of luck money changing hands in private deals but never did i hear of a buyer following a seller out the door of a mart and demanding it, Is this normal??

i sell lambs occasionally at the local mart and if i get a good price i will always give the buyer a bit of luck out uf the deal. it may be only acouple of euro up to a tenner depending on the size of the batch of sheep and whether the price was good or exceptional

jimmydkid

bob charles wrote: »

I often get it at marts but never be aggressive looking for it. I would be happy enough with whatever im given, if its a penny I may call him a .... in my head but would never say it. I would always throw it into a deal when were on the home straight in saying little "give me a decent lucks penny and we have a deal". Personally dont think there is anything wrong with asking in a decent way.

heading off out now to pay a guy for a few animals and my lucks penny will be in porter:cool:

Enjoy the porter, Im off to quit the day job and get my business plan ready for my new business of standing outside sellers boxes asking fellas for luck money as they come out :D

brian_t

Some folks take it serious enough.

A dispute over a "luck penny" on the sale of a pony at Enniskillen Mart left a 44-year-old man lying bleeding against a wall, an 83-year-old pensioner in an ambulance and a bystander being hit over the head with a crutch.

The unemployed agricultural worker on the crutches, 44-year-old James Patrick O'Neill, of Cloughtogle Road, Coolbuck, Lisbellaw, admitted assaulting bystander Patrick Dempsey and was fined £250. He was also ordered to pay Mr. Dempsey £500 compensation.

A prosecutor told Fermanagh Court that around 2.30pm on Tuesday, June 7, last year, police were called to Enniskillen Farmers' Mart on the Old Tempo Road in Enniskillen. The officers arrived to find O'Neill lying against a wall with blood coming from his face. An 83-year-old man was being taken away by ambulance to the Erne Hospital. The police were told that O'Neill had purchased a pony from the elderly man and then began verbally abusing him over a luck penny on the sale. Mr. Dempsey told the officers he had intervened in the altercation and O'Neill had hit him over the head with a crutch. Another man then intervened and O'Neill was the worse for that, sustaining cuts to his face. He was also taken to the Accident and Emergency Department at the Erne Hospital.

The court heard that O'Neill told police he had been getting hassle from the elderly man and claimed Mr. Dempsey had assaulted him. Mr. Dempsey sustained two bumps to his head, bruising to his right arm and an injury to his forehead. He said he had attempted to assist the elderly man.

Defence solicitor, Mr. Niall Bogue, said O'Neill did suffer injuries and was the man found lying against the wall. He was on crutches at the time and there was no pre-meditation in his use of them as weapons. He fully accepted his culpability and that his actions could not be viewed as self-defence. He over-reacted and it should not have happened. He apologised to Mr. Dempsey.

Mr. Bogue said O'Neill had previously been involved in agriculture but was unemployed due to health difficulties.

District Judge Liam McNally noted that O'Neill had a clear record in respect of this type of offence and "hasn't shown a propensity for violence in the past". He had also admitted his guilt at the first opportunity.

The District Judge said that for medical reasons O'Neill was not fit for community service so he would deal with the offence by way of a fine

http://www.impartialreporter.com/news/roundup/articles/2012/04/05/396286-pony-luck-penny-dispute-left-pensioner

leg wax

i always give a look penny to buyers at a mart,this year i gave it before the cattle went in to the ring,best money i ever spent:D

pgodkin

Never in my life would i give a man luck money on a mart sale, by the time you take mart selling rates transport, and as me dad always say a bun and a cup of tea and the morning off from work there isn't enough money in it for luck.

Op next time anyone approaches looking for luck money, tell them there's no luck in farming, it's a skill game :cool::D

bob charles

A friend told me when he was in holiday in some part of the UK he went into the mart. He said the owner would lead the cattle into the ring and be inside moving the cattle around the ring as they were being sold. Before the bidding would begin the auctioneer would say who the gentlemen that owned the cattle was an that there would be say £10 luck penny going to the buyer. The animal would get sold and the owner would walk straight over to the buyer and had over the luck penny. Nice idea

pakalasa

Bodacious wrote: »

...Dealers at it too outside, "ill give you say E900 and Book her in at that but i want E30 luck", so he has docket for farmer saying E900, E40 buyers fee, E20 transport and E30 luck money in the hip pocket on the quiet!!!:D

And that's one of the reasons why I would never get a dealer to buy cattle for me.

simx

got 3e luck on a private sale of a ram recently,my father bought a bull at a show and sale once and yer man gave him 2e luck,often seen lads give 50e luck for the buyer of their bull,only time ive seen it in a mart was a dealer giving a shiney penny to the lad that bought his animals

farawaygrass

old man told me long time ago the standard was a euro(pound then) in the hundred, but never heard of it in the marts, only private sale. sold breeding heifers earlier in the year for 5600e and gave 50e luck

cj maxx

seems this luck penny has got out of hand.as some said few euro depending of course on the size of the deal. i always thought of it as a gesture not a wage:eek:

Conmaicne Mara

In an auction situation I wouldn't give a luck penny. I don't think it's the place for it.

But, if someone is buying something off me privately I always would. Sold a trailer to a man once and gave his young lad €100 for luck, the young lad was delighted and the man was too as it brought the lad into the deal and trip out as well.

ootbitb

farawaygrass wrote: »

old man told me long time ago the standard was a euro(pound then) in the hundred, but never heard of it in the marts, only private sale. sold breeding heifers earlier in the year for 5600e and gave 50e luck

never forgot getting 50p for a £500 cow years ago from a hard woman about thirty years ago

bob charles

Bodacious wrote: »

Dealers at it too outside, "ill give you say E900 and Book her in at that but i want E30 luck", so he has docket for farmer saying E900, E40 buyers fee, E20 transport and E30 luck money in the hip pocket on the quiet!!!:D

if their was half that amount of money to be made dealing animals I would never own an animal. €10 buying and €10 haulage is the usual wage if animal bought localish

Bizzum

I'm wondering where this mart was. I know of one with a saturday sale in the midlands and a couple of hungry enough lads who buy a few cattle for their clients will always try this on.
There is no harm in asking but getting uppity about it is taking the p1ss.

ordinary farmer

I always relate lucks pence to the AI man. when he has the docket and all filled out before he goes he always gives about 7c in luck that she will kept the bull.. never herd of it in the mart.

Bodacious

bob charles wrote: »

if their was half that amount of money to be made dealing animals I would never own an animal. €10 buying and €10 haulage is the usual wage if animal bought localish

Hi bob,

My figures mighnt be bang on but the E30 he was asking me for was still going in straight in his pocket, so over a few animals he be doing alright

JohnBoy

Surely, in the true spirit of it the luck penny, luck should only ever be given, not asked for?

bob charles

Bodacious wrote: »

Hi bob,

My figures mighnt be bang on but the E30 he was asking me for was still going in straight in his pocket, so over a few animals he be doing alright

sure would be, from the 100% honest to the lowest of the low seem to operate in this niche industry

Seaba

ordinary farmer wrote: »

I always relate lucks pence to the AI man. when he has the docket and all filled out before he goes he always gives about 7c in luck that she will kept the bull.. never herd of it in the mart.

We must be in the same area, or maybe this is a trend in all AI men - but our man does this also! Had to smile when he first did it. It does vary though - got 7c one day, only 3 cent the next! - depends I think what he has on him. Its a running joke with me and Dad.
Dad said, his father, in the past used to have bulls and it was a custom back then - if its the same AI man we are talking about!
Just seen you are from Mayo so it must be the same fella. Right side of the border myself - Roscommon!

Username John

I am kinda surprised at some of the comments on this thread...

First - asking for luck is very different to demanding it, and going mental if you don't get it... So it depends a lot on how it was asked for...

but I think if someone has bought your animals, why shouldn't they ask for luck? You don't have to give it, but I would say if you're happy with the sale, then why not...

As for it being done in marts, I dont go to the mart often, but I imagine it isn't done much these days. I remember going to the mart with my grandfather years ago, and seen it done a good few times... not sure if this was due to my grandfather being of an older generation, or maybe it was done a lot more back then (talking over 20 years ago now)

I think asking is ok, if you don't get it, you don't get it. (The same way some people don't give it, even in a private sale)

But I would dread to think that people here would actually tell people to F off if they asked... :eek: :eek: :eek:

lucky john

My father would never leave a mart without giving a luck penny to the buyer. Its goes back to the fair days when cattle were tied up in local towns and a deal was done with a shake or a slap of the hand. a bit of change was handed over along with the animal(s) for luck. It was never asked for and no words were exchanged if it wasnt given. However, your chances of selling to that lad again were F*****.

It was never any more than a token. What your lad is doing is confusing an old tradition with a "back hander". A lad like that would have got short shift in the old days.

pakalasa

I know of someone who bought an animal in a pedigree sale recently and there was a €20 stapled to the card when he went to collect it.:D

Bizzum

pakalasa wrote: »

I know of someone who bought an animal in a pedigree sale recently and there was a €20 stapled to the card when he went to collect it.:D

You're after reminding me.
I've seen that several times at the Charolais sales, getting near to putting a bull on the market, the seller would produce €50 and announce it as luck to get another bid or two. It would be handed to the auctioneer to affix to the Ped cert!

simx

Bizzum wrote: »

You're after reminding me.
I've seen that several times at the Charolais sales, getting near to putting a bull on the market, the seller would produce €50 and announce it as luck to get another bid or two. It would be handed to the auctioneer to affix to the Ped cert!

seen that happen at bull sales a good bit with handing to auctioneer,good idea i suppose