Contradiction's

Northclare

Were all full of contradictions and even,holy books,science books....

Is it better for everyone to be content with their contradictions ?

After all contradictions are everywhere

I think the whole argument about the contradictions in the Bible is well worn out.

Onesimus

I don't know what yer on aboot. Are you saying we should talk about contradictions in other Holy books? If so that conversation is not for a fool like me. I'm no scholar or even anywhere near holy and wise enough to be able to see through the contradictions of Holy books as you would be northclare. So I'll just sit back and watch the wise and learned like yourself take over.

Onesimus

Northclare

Onesimus wrote: »

I don't know what yer on aboot. Are you saying we should talk about contradictions in other Holy books? If so that conversation is not for a fool like me. I'm no scholar or even anywhere near holy and wise enough to be able to see through the contradictions of Holy books as you would be northclare. So I'll just sit back and watch the wise and learned like yourself take over.

Onesimus

Am no actually...

I'm saying most arguments about the Bible are about how contradictory it is.

Would it be easier for some to be content with what they see as the Bibles contradictions.
And let it go.

Why do you call yourself a fool ?
you seem fairly well up on what you post...

Northclare

Thanks for saying I'm holy and wise :S

Far from holy,but wise enough to get through life from day to day one day at a time.
I'm content alright,are you ?

Spirituality ain't that bad

lmaopml

Northclare wrote: »

Thanks for saying I'm holy and wise :S

Far from holy,but wise enough to get through life from day to day one day at a time.
I'm content alright,are you ?

There is a big leap Northclare between being 'content' in life and being 'content' in Christ - There is no other, no room for another - absolutely none! Only Christ.

Spirituality ain't that bad

Of course it isn't - but it has to be grounded somewhere and not floating, one might as well be any kind of 'Spiritualist' anything from New Age to Buddhist - Only Christ gives wings - and his Word, is a living Word.

Please don't see Christians and the 'Church' as a judgemental house, a mere building void of life, one that 'accuses' rather than comforts, that's the great lie - it's not, it's humanitarian, it's full to the brim of good and bad and not perfect people but those who are 'living' the Gospel, some sinners, some deaf, some blind, some mute, he invited them all, and they are all gathered right here - open the doors and you will find us.

Northclare

Maybe some day.
Thanks

Northclare

I follow Christ as best I can.
But also like Sufism,and Celtic Spirituality.
I like posting here because I feel I can.

But yes I tend to turn away from Catholicism,and feel drawn to the Anglican faith and other Christian denominations.

Have you ever ventured outside your comfort zone ?

lmaopml

Northclare wrote: »

I follow Christ as best I can.
But also like Sufism,and Celtic Spirituality.
I like posting here because I feel I can.

But yes I tend to turn away from Catholicism,and feel drawn to the Anglican faith and other Christian denominations.

Have you ever ventured outside your comfort zone ?

I spent twenty years before I even ventured outside it....and I wasn't a spiritualist or didn't turn to an alternative either...I was just 'me'.


It frightened me so much, going back, I thought I was terrible, and believed those who said I would be seen as 'terrible' for just passing through the door -
That I didn't have a 'place' reserved for me.....

I can truthfully say, it was the best day of my life - the day I worked up the courage and set aside that I didn't need a time to do it..it took two years for me of sitting and just visiting till I had to go and do something, to really want to just 'sit' with him...That's the horrible truth of me.

I'm not perfect. He knows it - I sit a while, I pray, I've come home and it may have taken me a while and a whole lot of pain, but I can look on me and others with clear eyes now, and that's priceless.

Northclare

Ok thats good lmaopml
But I dont understand when some Christians tell spiritualists or curious people that Christianity is the only way.
Are they better off saying "well what ever is the best way for you is good and I respect your religion/beliefs/non beliefs.
Jesus never said Christianity is the only way but he did say to go through him to get to the father.
That quote can be taken up in so many different ways not just one way.
Such as through loving one another...

Northclare

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kMhvqwbx_M

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5diBm_CG8J0&feature=related

lmaopml

Northclare wrote: »

Ok thats good lmaopml
But I dont understand when some Christians tell spiritualists or curious people that Christianity is the only way.
Are they better off saying "well what ever is the best way for you is good and I respect your religion/beliefs/non beliefs.
Jesus never said Christianity is the only way but he did say to go through him to get to the father.
That quote can be taken up in so many different ways not just one way.
Such as through loving one another...

Well certainly it's good to be open and talk to one another. The simple truth is though Northclare - is that a person can't be divided, serve two people, either themselves, or God, or another Idol - If you are a Christian you follow Christ and it's as simple as that - it's only by his grace that we get to know him when we seek him out...and it's only by faith and trust in that invitation that one gets to discover him...

He extended an invitation - it's not an invitation to anything other than HIS wisdom, his feast, life in him....for those who seek him with a sincere heart - This is the Christianity forum!

..there is no compromise, sorry honey - but introducing other God's or other spirituality is like talking about a pale and pretty insignificant thing - It's not a 'new' thing, in fact it's quite an old adversary of Christ.

Northclare

Not really though.
I think you have a very closed mind to be honest.

He extended an invitation - it's not an invitation to anything other than HIS wisdom, his feast, life in him....for those who seek him with a sincere heart - This is the Christianity forum!

Ok I understand But I would never say Spirituality is better than Christianity thats the difference.

God grant me the serenity
To accept the things I cannot change
Courage to change the things I can
And wisdom to know the difference

philologos

Northclare wrote: »

Not really though.
I think you have a very closed mind to be honest.

He extended an invitation - it's not an invitation to anything other than HIS wisdom, his feast, life in him....for those who seek him with a sincere heart - This is the Christianity forum!

Ok I understand But I would never say Spirituality is better than Christianity thats the difference.

God grant me the serenity
To accept the things I cannot change
Courage to change the things I can
And wisdom to know the difference

Christianity I find faces up to the reality that we've been separated to God as a result of sin, and we need a Saviour to bring us back to Him.

I don't think you understand from reading any of your posts, just how significant the cross is, or how significant the burden of our sin is. Or indeed accept that you yourself are a sinner.

It's only when you cross that boundary that you'll start to realise what Jesus did, and why that is such great news that all the earth needs to hear.

As for contradictions - I think we need to have a look at some before confirming that is even true.

Northclare

I realize that what Jesus went through,was for humanity.
Any man who would put himself through that much pain and torture,to get his message across has a powerful message.
He put his life in the will of God and even asked God "why have you forsaken me" at the same time accepted his faith.

I think Christianity is very powerful,but the Catholics viewpoint is not good,it is just too plastic and rigid.
Chipping away at Christianity to suit themselves,then getting resentful at people pointing out that the emperor has no clothes.

I know born again Christians who left the Caths and are away from all the fear and control of the Catholic Church

I like hearing about letting go and let God,thy will not mine be done...

These messages are quite simple really....
They are not man made but just common spiritual sense.

Bringing the advisory into the conversation is a subtle way of planting a bad seed into someone's head,I didn't even think of the advisory until you thought of it :S

Threadkillers

As for contradictions - I think we need to have a look at some before confirming that is even true.

I think plenty of people pointed out contradictions in the Bible in posts on the Christianity forum lots of times....

Northclare has a point

I dont think he is on his own with that conclusion is he ?

PDN

Threadkillers wrote: »

I think plenty of people pointed out contradictions in the Bible in posts on the Christianity forum lots of times....

I don't think they did. People alleged contradictions. Then, when perfectly plausible explanations were pointed out for the relevant passages that do not involve contradictions, they got stroppy.

Threadkillers

They do indeed get stroppy that the truth.

I think Northclare was pointing out that its not fair to be slagging the Christians about contradictions in the bible and maybe the piss takers should just accept the contradictions,
then Popeye got all annoyed and went straight in with the defense or attack.
Then the poor fecker got a bit crowded with ye so called Christians on the defense.

Northclare

I can defend my own corner thanks :S

Benny_Cake

Threadkillers - banned for being a sockpuppeting account of Northclare. Northclare - one week ban.