Dole for substitute teacher...

sitstill

Hi all,

I am working as a substitute teacher this year, having previously been teaching full time :-(

I will not get paid for summer and I know that I can sign-on then.

However, I will also not get paid for midterm breaks, Christmas and Easter holidays.

Does anyone know if I am entitled to get JSB for these times? Also, how would I apply... Is it just the normal JSB application? (I believe they take a while to be processed)

Thanks so much!

Equality

You can sign on if you are not working. It is important that you do sign on, otherwise your prsi record is missing weeks, and this has an impact if you want to claim old age, maternity or illness payments later in life.

You may want to remind SW that holiday pay must be paid separately,for a stated date, and cannot be incorporated into your daily rate of pay. You may also want to ask the Dept of Ed to state, formally, in a letter, that you received no holiday pay ( or else state to state the days in respect of which you received holiday pay).

Otherwise SW may say that your daily rate of pay included X days of holiday pay, and deduct these days from your SW.

It is a normal JB or JA application. You can also claim for rent from CWO, if relevant to you, particularly for the summer.

eastbono

Its the normal application form but you will also receive a form 2d which you will have to get Dept of Ed in Athlone to complete. You can apply for all mid-terms and summer period also.

If you are currently subbing and only working 3 days pw or less you would be entitled to jsb if you have enough prsi contributions. If you dont have enough contributions you could apply for jsa which is a means tested payment.

sitstill

eastbono wrote: »

Its the normal application form but you will also receive a form 2d which you will have to get Dept of Ed in Athlone to complete. You can apply for all mid-terms and summer period also.

If you are currently subbing and only working 3 days pw or less you would be entitled to jsb if you have enough prsi contributions. If you dont have enough contributions you could apply for jsa which is a means tested payment.

Thanks a lot. I am not on full hours but my hours are spread over all 5 days

I am working for a VEC not the Dept of Ed, so is it the same process with the form 2D? God knows how long they will take to fill it in and return it

eastbono

sitstill wrote: »

Thanks a lot. I am not on full hours but my hours are spread over all 5 days

I am working for a VEC not the Dept of Ed, so is it the same process with the form 2D? God knows how long they will take to fill it in and return it

Yes you will have to get VEC to fill out 2D. Do you have an entitlement to jsb? if not then it will be jsa and means tested and will take longer. For the first mid-term you will not be paid for the first 3 days as there is a waiting period but after that once you should not have any waiting days as the claims will link as they will be within 6 months of each other.

sitstill

Thanks a lot. I should get JSB as I worked full time for 4 years before this. I didn't know that I not get paid for the first 3 days with the waiting period.

eastbono

sitstill wrote: »

Thanks a lot. I should get JSB as I worked full time for 4 years before this. I didn't know that I not get paid for the first 3 days with the waiting period.

Ye if its a new claim or a repeat claim that does not link then you do not get paid for the first 3 days. More than likely you will be paid by cheque for all mid-term breaks as you will be back at work before claim is processed.

sitstill

eastbono wrote: »

sitstill wrote: »

Thanks a lot. I should get JSB as I worked full time for 4 years before this. I didn't know that I not get paid for the first 3 days with the waiting period.

Ye if its a new claim or a repeat claim that does not link then you do not get paid for the first 3 days. More than likely you will be paid by cheque for all mid-term breaks as you will be back at work before claim is processed.

Thanks again. Good to know also that I'll probably get paid by cheque.

Muff Richardson

Hi all,

If this thread is still active...I am on a maternity leave cover from September 12 until May 13. I saw this thread and was surprised to see I may be eligible to apply for JSB or JSA, I applied over the midterm and received notification last week that my application was denied on the grounds that we are paid additional (as mentioned) pay during term to cover these holiday periods. It also stated that I am not unemployed.

Is this correct? Should I appeal? I have been working and paying prsi, usc and whatever else they take for the last 3 years.

Thanks,

Muff.

eastbono

Muff Richardson wrote: »

Hi all,

If this thread is still active...I am on a maternity leave cover from September 12 until May 13. I saw this thread and was surprised to see I may be eligible to apply for JSB or JSA, I applied over the midterm and received notification last week that my application was denied on the grounds that we are paid additional (as mentioned) pay during term to cover these holiday periods. It also stated that I am not unemployed.

Is this correct? Should I appeal? I have been working and paying prsi, usc and whatever else they take for the last 3 years.

Thanks,

Muff.

It depends on your contract... some people are paid holiday pay others are not. It would depend on what Dept of Ed put on form 2d returned to sw. If you are paid holiday pay for the period then you will not receive sw.

Muff Richardson

thanks for the response eastbono...apparently I am being paid an additional sum in my fortnightly pay whilst working, I am netting about €500 a week which to me seems fairly average if there was an additional amount for holiday periods incorporated into it, the week i was off for midterm i received nothing...im fairly tired of going back and forth to the welfare office with this that and the other at this stage which i guess is their objective, i may give it a miss, and try my luck at the summer when my contract is up.

cee_jay

From the JA guidelines on welfare.ie:

Entitlement to holiday pay is built up as a person works during the year. Therefore, a person who is let go on a temporary basis may have an underlying entitlement to holiday pay. JA is not payable in respect of any day for which a person receives holiday pay.

Holiday pay legislation provides that pay in respect of holidays is required to be paid in advance. However, it is also open to an employee to make an agreement with his/her employer not to receive accrued holiday pay at the time of a temporary lay off where s/he wishes to take these paid entitlements at a later stage. In this type of situation the person is considered to be on a temporary lay off and the number of days for which the holiday entitlement has accrued should not be deducted from the JA payment until the paid leave is taken.

Examples:

A person from the education sector e.g. school warden etc. decides, with the employer's agreement, that s/he does not wish to receive holiday pay enitlements accrued at the Christmas/Easter etc lay off periods, until the summer lay off at the end of June. In such cases, the number of days for which the holiday entitlement has accrued should not be deducted from the JA payment until the person receives his/her holiday pay entitlements at the end of June.
In some cases, e.g. factory work, with the employer's agreement, the employee may decide not to take his/her accrued holiday pay entitlement at the time of a temporary lay off because s/he intends to take holidays with pay from this employment at a later stage. In such cases, the number of days for which the holiday entitlement has accrued should not be deducted from the JA payment until the paid leave is taken.
Holiday Pay Received on Return to Work
Certain employments have regular seasonal lay offs where employees have an accrued holiday entitlement which is not actually paid during the period of the lay off. For example, a temporary school employee who is laid off during the summer months may not be paid during this period, instead s/he is paid his/her accrued holiday pay entitlement at the end of the summer holiday period.

If this situation occurs, the Local Office should ensure that, before the end of this lay off period, the number of days for which JA is paid is reduced by the number of days for which holiday pay has accrued. This is to ensure that a person does not receive JA and holiday pay in respect of the same period.

Temporary Lay-off
Employees who are laid off temporarily (i.e. where they expect to return to the same employment at a later date) are not entitled to JA in respect of any day for which they receive holiday pay. This applies even if there is no definite date of resumption of work.

donegal11

eastbono wrote: »

It depends on your contract... some people are paid holiday pay others are not. It would depend on what Dept of Ed put on form 2d returned to sw. If you are paid holiday pay for the period then you will not receive sw.

What do you mean some people are paid holiday pay? Are all teachers not entitled to holiday pay ?

eastbono

donegal11 wrote: »

What do you mean some people are paid holiday pay? Are all teachers not entitled to holiday pay ?

Sub teachers or those on contract may not be paid for full mid term, christmas or easter holidays. They would only be entitled to accrued holiday pay and would not be paid for Summer holidays either.

donegal11

So if one was to accrue holiday pay they would be entitled to dole for summer.

eastbono

donegal11 wrote: »

So if one was to accrue holiday pay they would be entitled to dole for summer.

They could apply for jobseekers for the summer of course they would not be paid for holidays paid. This also applies to SNA's, school cleaners, lollipop people.