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Pushing the clocks on my trusty old DELL

  • 11-10-2012 12:40pm
    #1
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭


    1. Intro

    ORIG0191.jpg?t=1349955307
    Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit SP1
    CPU
    	Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 @ 2.40GHz	34 °C
    	Kentsfield 65nm Technology
    RAM
    	4.00 GB DDR2
    Motherboard
    	Dell Inc. 0CT017 (Microprocessor)
    Graphics
    	DELL ST2210 (1920x1080@60Hz)
    	DELL E196FP (1280x1024@60Hz)
    	ATI Radeon HD 5700 Series (MSI)	42 °C
    Hard Drives (INTERNALS ONLY)
    	699GB Seagate 
    	75GB Seagate 
    	233GB Seagate 
    	75GB Western 
    Optical Drives
    	GBUXKV 2BGX67CP23 SCSI CdRom Device
    	HL-DT-ST DVD+-RW GSA-H31N ATA Device
    Audio
    	Creative X-Fi Audio Processor (WDM)
    

    Got this rig way back in....November 2009. It was a mates, it died and his dad decided to just replace it, so he offered it to me. At this time I only had a terrible laptop, so I like hells yes. Already had a 22" 1080p monitor for my laptop too, so I was sorted in that regard. Did a bit of testing, it was the 8800GTX gone. No surprise there, especially as they never cleaned it and ran it in a small unventilated spare bedroom. So I baked it, video here: http://youtu.be/SCxc0bxk_1U (135K views :0 ) and voila, back working. Back then it was also a E6700. Baked the 8800 again a while later, and then upgraded to the 5770 for €130. More recently (~year) I got the Q6600 for €60 shipped. Whoopa, powa! Still cool as f'ck too.

    I'd have upped the RAM but its a hard limit of 4GB :(

    Have also modded two fans onto the back to increase airflow as the stock ones only run full tilt when the CPU gets hot, which it never does. No way to over-ride bios control there.

    Oh, I forgot, it came with vista too :pac: MSDNAA Win7 licences, yes plz.

    Original D drive packed in recently, replaced. Other drives added too. NOTE: C: is SLOW AS F'CK. This will knock benches down a bit, but I'm not going to re-install right now.

    2. Overclocking

    CPU:
    Locked bios, so software OCing, which sucks, but its all I got.
    All temps *Centigrade. Tested with Prime95 Blend Tests.
    Stock Clocks: 2.4Ghz at 266FSB
    ________Idle___Load
    Core#0   32      52
    Core#1   32      52
    Core#2   26      48
    Core#3   27      48
    
    Max Clock: 2.916Ghz at 324FSB
    ________Idle___Load
    Core#0   30      54
    Core#1   30      54
    Core#2   24      49
    Core#3   25      48
    

    Cool as and quiet, but the lack of voltage control means I cant go higher, otherwise I'd be up at 3.5Ghz plus(the norm for these, 6600s rock).

    GPU: MSI R5770 PMD1G [1GB]
    Stock:
    850Mhz Core
    1.2vCore
    1200Mhz Memory(4800 Effective)

    Thermals: (First reading is AB, second is HardwareMonitor/GPUZ/Furmark). Load provided by Furmark.
    Idle:
    44(41) 35%Fan
    41(38) 50%Fan
    38(34) 75%Fan
    37(34)100%Fan
    Load:
    103(91) 35%Fan
    96(86) 50%Fan
    82(73) 75%Fan
    78(69)100%Fan
    

    Then I went to town on pushing the clocks.

    Max stable mem clock: 1370Mhz (No Mem cooling :S )

    vCore 1.200
    Max Clock 980Mhz

    vCore 1.300
    Max Clock 985Mhz

    No matter what, it wont go faster than that and pass furmark for 15mins.

    At 100% fan, thats 96*C(87).


    Finished clocks: Stable at 1.3v, 985 and 1310

    3. Testing:

    _______________STOCK first, OVERCLOCKED second____________
    sc_PCMARK7.pngoc_PCMARK7.png
    sc_3DMARKVantage.pngoc_3DMARKVantage.png
    sc_3DMARK11.pngoc_3DMARK11.png

    And nope, thos PCMARK scores are in the right order, LOWER SCORE FROM OC??:confused::confused::confused:

    sc_UNINGINE.png
    oc_UNINGINE.png
    **************STOCK CLOCKS**********
    GPU:

    ==============================================================
    TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
    !TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
    Play Time: 43.38s, Average FPS: 46.11
    Min FPS: 28.98 at frame 1952, Max FPS: 62.59 at frame 1015
    Average Tri/Sec: -45081512, Tri/Frame: -977799
    Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -0.94
    !TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
    Play Time: 41.73s, Average FPS: 47.93
    Min FPS: 28.98 at frame 1952, Max FPS: 68.93 at frame 112
    Average Tri/Sec: -46142424, Tri/Frame: -962769
    Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -0.95
    !TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
    Play Time: 41.63s, Average FPS: 48.05
    Min FPS: 28.98 at frame 1952, Max FPS: 68.93 at frame 112
    Average Tri/Sec: -46238156, Tri/Frame: -962362
    Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -0.95
    !TimeDemo Run 3 Finished.
    Play Time: 41.76s, Average FPS: 47.89
    Min FPS: 28.98 at frame 1952, Max FPS: 68.93 at frame 112
    Average Tri/Sec: -46085604, Tri/Frame: -962348
    Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -0.95
    TimeDemo Play Ended, (4 Runs Performed)
    ==============================================================


    CPU1:
    ==============================================================
    TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
    !TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
    Play Time: 43.38s, Average FPS: 46.11
    Min FPS: 28.98 at frame 1952, Max FPS: 62.59 at frame 1015
    Average Tri/Sec: -45081512, Tri/Frame: -977799
    Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -0.94
    !TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
    Play Time: 41.73s, Average FPS: 47.93
    Min FPS: 28.98 at frame 1952, Max FPS: 68.93 at frame 112
    Average Tri/Sec: -46142424, Tri/Frame: -962769
    Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -0.95
    !TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
    Play Time: 41.63s, Average FPS: 48.05
    Min FPS: 28.98 at frame 1952, Max FPS: 68.93 at frame 112
    Average Tri/Sec: -46238156, Tri/Frame: -962362
    Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -0.95
    !TimeDemo Run 3 Finished.
    Play Time: 41.76s, Average FPS: 47.89
    Min FPS: 28.98 at frame 1952, Max FPS: 68.93 at frame 112
    Average Tri/Sec: -46085604, Tri/Frame: -962348
    Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -0.95
    TimeDemo Play Ended, (4 Runs Performed)
    ==============================================================


    CPU2:

    ==============================================================
    TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 1500, Recorded Time: 127.52s)
    !TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
    Play Time: 64.57s, Average FPS: 23.23
    Min FPS: 5.90 at frame 467, Max FPS: 42.76 at frame 114
    Average Tri/Sec: -13626306, Tri/Frame: -586590
    Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 1.42
    !TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
    Play Time: 67.26s, Average FPS: 22.30
    Min FPS: 5.90 at frame 467, Max FPS: 42.76 at frame 114
    Average Tri/Sec: -13249987, Tri/Frame: -594172
    Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 1.41
    !TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
    Play Time: 59.93s, Average FPS: 25.03
    Min FPS: 5.90 at frame 467, Max FPS: 42.76 at frame 114
    Average Tri/Sec: -14904653, Tri/Frame: -595519
    Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 1.40
    !TimeDemo Run 3 Finished.
    Play Time: 64.79s, Average FPS: 23.15
    Min FPS: 5.90 at frame 467, Max FPS: 42.76 at frame 114
    Average Tri/Sec: -13750127, Tri/Frame: -593949
    Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 1.41
    TimeDemo Play Ended, (4 Runs Performed)
    ==============================================================


    ************************OVERCLOCKED*****************

    GPU:

    ==============================================================
    TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 2000, Recorded Time: 111.86s)
    !TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
    Play Time: 45.29s, Average FPS: 44.16
    Min FPS: 30.16 at frame 1964, Max FPS: 61.61 at frame 997
    Average Tri/Sec: -43184480, Tri/Frame: -977940
    Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -0.94
    !TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
    Play Time: 41.91s, Average FPS: 47.72
    Min FPS: 30.16 at frame 1964, Max FPS: 66.93 at frame 69
    Average Tri/Sec: -45978256, Tri/Frame: -963514
    Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -0.95
    !TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
    Play Time: 41.84s, Average FPS: 47.80
    Min FPS: 29.80 at frame 1955, Max FPS: 66.93 at frame 69
    Average Tri/Sec: -46007520, Tri/Frame: -962504
    Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -0.95
    !TimeDemo Run 3 Finished.
    Play Time: 41.76s, Average FPS: 47.89
    Min FPS: 29.80 at frame 1955, Max FPS: 66.93 at frame 69
    Average Tri/Sec: -46150156, Tri/Frame: -963576
    Recorded/Played Tris ratio: -0.95
    TimeDemo Play Ended, (4 Runs Performed)
    ==============================================================

    CPU1:
    ==============================================================
    TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 1500, Recorded Time: 44.62s)
    !TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
    Play Time: 33.13s, Average FPS: 45.28
    Min FPS: 18.85 at frame 198, Max FPS: 67.24 at frame 178
    Average Tri/Sec: 49555528, Tri/Frame: 1094452
    Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.66
    !TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
    Play Time: 29.72s, Average FPS: 50.48
    Min FPS: 18.85 at frame 198, Max FPS: 67.45 at frame 194
    Average Tri/Sec: 55326564, Tri/Frame: 1096110
    Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.66
    !TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
    Play Time: 29.84s, Average FPS: 50.27
    Min FPS: 18.85 at frame 198, Max FPS: 67.45 at frame 194
    Average Tri/Sec: 55082144, Tri/Frame: 1095679
    Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.66
    !TimeDemo Run 3 Finished.
    Play Time: 29.83s, Average FPS: 50.28
    Min FPS: 18.85 at frame 198, Max FPS: 67.60 at frame 193
    Average Tri/Sec: 55206560, Tri/Frame: 1097900
    Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 0.66
    TimeDemo Play Ended, (4 Runs Performed)
    ==============================================================

    CPU2:
    ==============================================================
    TimeDemo Play Started , (Total Frames: 1500, Recorded Time: 127.52s)
    !TimeDemo Run 0 Finished.
    Play Time: 66.99s, Average FPS: 22.39
    Min FPS: 7.20 at frame 475, Max FPS: 35.66 at frame 100
    Average Tri/Sec: -13100934, Tri/Frame: -585113
    Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 1.43
    !TimeDemo Run 1 Finished.
    Play Time: 64.03s, Average FPS: 23.43
    Min FPS: 7.20 at frame 475, Max FPS: 38.35 at frame 1105
    Average Tri/Sec: -13956656, Tri/Frame: -595726
    Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 1.40
    !TimeDemo Run 2 Finished.
    Play Time: 63.75s, Average FPS: 23.53
    Min FPS: 6.29 at frame 471, Max FPS: 38.35 at frame 1105
    Average Tri/Sec: -13979988, Tri/Frame: -594113
    Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 1.41
    !TimeDemo Run 3 Finished.
    Play Time: 62.50s, Average FPS: 24.00
    Min FPS: 6.29 at frame 471, Max FPS: 38.35 at frame 1105
    Average Tri/Sec: -14258492, Tri/Frame: -594150
    Recorded/Played Tris ratio: 1.41
    TimeDemo Play Ended, (4 Runs Performed)
    ==============================================================

    4. Conclusion

    Hmmm, not really adding up. PC mark result totally weird, and Crysis seems to perform a little worse? Is my DDR2 limiting things, PCI bottlenecking?

    Any other ideas?

    Will be adding more to this, but at least I've done things properly now, rather than the ad hoc stuff I've done before.


Comments

  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Sooo, still confused.

    More testing done:
    evhzx.png

    Then I tested the CPU on its own.
    3DmarkVantage_CPU_Chart.png


    Please, can anyone shed some light on WTF is going on here?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,710 ✭✭✭Monotype


    Just a thought, but maybe your memory is getting bumped down to a much lower speed as you overclock the FSB...?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Monotype wrote: »
    Just a thought, but maybe your memory is getting bumped down to a much lower speed as you overclock the FSB...?

    Hmm, CPU-Z doesnt populate the Memory tab so I cant tell what its current clocks are. I guess that does make sense though, that the BIOS is dropping the timings to keep the memory stable at the new clocks?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,710 ✭✭✭Monotype


    When you overclock the FSB, it also overclocks the RAM. Normally there's a divider or multiplier to set the RAM at a lower speed to compensate and when it's set to auto, it will lower itself. Sometimes it can overcompensate and underclock the RAM by a lot more than it needs. It could also be the timings going way out as you say.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Type	DDR2
    Size	1024 MBytes
    Manufacturer	Samsung
    Max Bandwidth	PC2-5300 (333 MHz)
    Part Number	M3 78T2953EZ3-CE6
    Serial Number	_________
    Week/year	13 / 07
    SPD Ext.	EPP
    	JEDEC #3
    		Frequency	333.3 MHz
    		CAS# Latency	5.0
    		RAS# To CAS#	5
    		RAS# Precharge	5
    		tRAS	15
    		tRC	20
    		Voltage	1.800 V
    	JEDEC #2
    		Frequency	266.7 MHz
    		CAS# Latency	4.0
    		RAS# To CAS#	4
    		RAS# Precharge	4
    		tRAS	12
    		tRC	16
    		Voltage	1.800 V
    	JEDEC #1
    		Frequency	200.0 MHz
    		CAS# Latency	3.0
    		RAS# To CAS#	3
    		RAS# Precharge	3
    		tRAS	9
    		tRC	12
    		Voltage	1.800 V
    

    If its drops em to 1 that'd really F up performance. Now to work out how to verify if this is it...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,710 ✭✭✭Monotype


    Lower timings = better, so it's not going to go lower.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,170 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    When it comes to memory I have **** for brains ^^


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 597 ✭✭✭bambam


    hey,

    just wondering why you say you are stuck at 4GB RAM? Is it a Dimension 9200? if so it'll go to 8GB (4 x Corsair 2048-6400C5C 4GB 800MHz C5 DDR2).

    Also, what software did you use to OC?

    cheers, Bam


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,906 ✭✭✭Joeface


    also if your semi Brave , since you have a locked bios

    pin mod it . :D,
    https://forums.geforce.com/default/topic/385435/cooling-and-case-modding/intel-q6600-mod-simple-enough-for-idiots/1


    but do some more research(google) before doing anything .

    http://www.overclockers.com/forums/showthread.php?t=690057


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