Syrian rebels using Turkish weapons to attack...Turkey

asherbassad

Oh dear,

smacks of sh!tstirring:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-19874256

One has to question, everything, must not one:

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article32696.htm

After that fake photo of a guy and his wife walking back from the market was then turned into some pathetic flee from a warzone, we're supposed to believe these fools:

http://www.imediaethics.org/News/3284/Austrian_newspaper_apologizes_for_fake_syria_photo.php

Let me guess what's next.....Syria has WMD's that could kill us all in 45 minutes and while they're planning that crap their troops are dumping infants out of incubators, right?

Run_to_da_hills

More Propaganda here.

NATO will 'protect and defend Turkey' if Syria launches an attack, says head of alliance

NATO will protect Turkey with the same type of weapons that they are using to aggravate them with.

humanji

Where does it say that the weapons were Turkish?

JustinDee

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

More Propaganda here.

NATO will 'protect and defend Turkey' if Syria launches an attack, says head of alliance

NATO will protect Turkey with the same type of weapons that they are using to aggravate them with.

Delve further into actual full version of quote and apply intended context instead of Daily effing Mail or Telegraph.
Yes, Syria is probably riddled with proxies doing their utmost to upstage the regime there. What's new or even surprising about that? Given Syria's own role in the region with Hizbullah and Iran, who it fronts for, uprisings within its own borders are chances not to be missed by its enemies (and enemies of Russia or China).

No conspiracy. Just another leaf in what has gone on not only in that region but worldwide for centuries. Not justifying it but sitting on your keyster endlessly posting one side of the story doesn't do your pro-agendaic diatribe any justice.

Tzar Chasm

the first report suggests that crates from a Ukranian arms manufacturer have ended up in rebel hands rather than the Saudi army, has a photo of the crate label but they didn't look inside.

second report seems to suggest that the shells which are hitting Turkey were supplied by the turks to the rebels, this is a bit more interesting ax it would suggest that its the rebels who are firing at turkey, that's a reasonable false flag hypothesis in the making.

Run_to_da_hills

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

second report seems to suggest that the shells which are hitting Turkey were supplied by the turks to the rebels, this is a bit more interesting ax it would suggest that its the rebels who are firing at turkey, that's a reasonable false flag hypothesis in the making.

That's the obvious conclusion.

humanji

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

second report seems to suggest that the shells which are hitting Turkey were supplied by the turks to the rebels, this is a bit more interesting ax it would suggest that its the rebels who are firing at turkey, that's a reasonable false flag hypothesis in the making.

Is that in the informationclearinghouse.info link? I'm reading that on my phone and it's only coming up with a couple of lines and a comments section. Is there a video or something I'm missing?

studiorat

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

second report seems to suggest that the shells which are hitting Turkey were supplied by the turks to the rebels, this is a bit more interesting ax it would suggest that its the rebels who are firing at turkey, that's a reasonable false flag hypothesis in the making.

Which rebels are you talking about? The PYD the Free Syrian army who?

Tzar Chasm

well the RT report just says rebels, it points out that the shells are coming from rebel held territories.

it then mentions problems that turkey is having with the pkk and how seperatists have established autonomous kurdish regions on the syrian borders.

JustinDee

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

well the RT report just says rebels, it points out that the shells are coming from rebel held territories

Of course it does. Russia Today is hardly going to report that Syrian forces fired out now are they?

Tzar Chasm

are they lying?

do you have information that refutes the assertion?

Jonny7

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

are they lying?

do you have information that refutes the assertion?

What evidence did they provide in the report? I'm not saying I haven't considered the claim, it is a possibility, but Russia Today have shown they aren't the best source, to call them the Russian Fox News would be a large understatement.

What we do know is there have been several incidents over a number of days. It's not just mortars, shells are falling. The rebels do not have artillery.

The Turks have no love for Assad but they are wise to what's going on, they are returning fire on those targets.

JustinDee

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

are they lying?

do you have information that refutes the assertion?

You're quoting Russia Today, Putin's government megaphone and as you know, Putin & Co have pulled every string possible to float the Syrian regime, who along with Hizbullah has been their proxy on the Mediterranean side of the Middle East.
You believe it because it suits your agenda.
I don't believe it because it suits Russian government's agenda and they are of course, who is actually broadcasting this.

JustinDee

Latest developments via Erdogan don't do your case very good either. Russia acting as conduit supplying Syrian regime with even more arms, having already claimed a laughable neutrality? Surely not? :rolleyes:

Tzar Chasm

who's supplying the rebels with weapons?

its not my theory btw, I just have a major issue with the notion of dismissing a report out of hand because of its source, I will only do it based on the strength/weakness of the information presented in the report.

personally I think the major issue highlighted by the RT report is the kurdish separatists

Run_to_da_hills

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

who's supplying the rebels with weapons?

America, who else.

http://rt.com/news/cia-officers-turkey-syria-378/

http://www.sott.net/article/242425-Syria-Terrorists-Admit-France-and-US-Are-Supplying-Weapons

Jonny7

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

who's supplying the rebels with weapons?

Well they have weapons themselves, anything they can get their hands on really. From defected military, from arms dumps. Then there is a large proportion coming in from other countries sympathetic to the cause, e.g. Saudi, Turkey, etc Western countries are trying to be "careful" on this issue, but they are definitely providing "soft" materials (radios, communications equipment) and a lot of intel. Just a lot of sources, they are however vastly outgunned.

its not my theory btw, I just have a major issue with the notion of dismissing a report out of hand because of its source, I will only do it based on the strength/weakness of the information presented in the report.

They don't present any solid information.

Run_to_da_hills

Jonny7 wrote: »

They are definitely providing "soft" materials .

Since when did Mortar shells become "soft" materials.

http://rt.com/news/nato-mortar-syria-turkey-954/

Jonny7

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Since when did Mortar shells become "soft" materials.

http://rt.com/news/nato-mortar-syria-turkey-954/

Note that I said they are definitely providing "soft" materials. I wouldn't be surprised if weapons grade materials were also making it through. Surprisingly, apart from Assad and his forces, not many people in the world have a problem with this.

Run_to_da_hills

Jonny7 wrote: »

Note that I said they are definitely providing "soft" materials. I wouldn't be surprised if weapons grade materials were also making it through. Surprisingly, apart from Assad and his forces, not many people in the world have a problem with this.

Many people including myself do have an issue with US authorised terrorists using NATO weapons to slaughter innocent woman and children and also for false flag aggression as we have already witnessed with the recent Turkish / Syrian assault.

Tzar Chasm

well I have a problem with it, this notion that we can pick and choose 'sides in internal conflicts disturbs me, realisticly a peace keeping force should have been sent in about a year ago before it all got out of hand but as it stands now arming the 'rebels' further is akin to pouring nitroglycerin on a chip pan fire.

Run_to_da_hills

Tzar Chasm wrote: »

well I have a problem with it, this notion that we can pick and choose 'sides in internal conflicts disturbs me, realisticly a peace keeping force should have been sent in about a year ago before it all got out of hand but as it stands now arming the 'rebels' further is akin to pouring nitroglycerin on a chip pan fire.

That's exactly what they want to do,

Inflame a serious conflict situation in a country to justify their position.

Its even more disturbing when they can remove certain rebel forces from their terrorist list and realist them as the good guys, an example of this would be re listing those that they claim that blew up the Twin Towers,

I'm sure they would do the same to the Real IRA or Basque separatists if they offer them assistance in their ongoing campaign of terror.

Its a classic case of Problem - Reaction - Solution.

Jonny7

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Many people including myself do have an issue with US authorised terrorists using NATO weapons to slaughter innocent woman and children and also for false flag aggression as we have already witnessed with the recent Turkish / Syrian assault.

Nope, just a transparent faux concern that has much more to do with tainting one side as per.