Winter dosing

reilig

Are you treating cows for fluke after housing? What are you using? Dose? Pour on? Injection?

What about younger cattle. Have you been doing them for worms? Will you dose them before/after housing?

How long after housing do you wait to dose?

bbam

We dosed all stock with an oral drench twice over the summer. Last time was just four weeks ago.

Will leave them 4/5 weeks after housing and inject with Ibermack. No cows here, all small stock.

kevthegaff

ya i dosed everything with a fluke wormer in july, so will go again for the cows when their rehoused. Always use a drench as its a lot cheaper(flexiben from osmonds)

pakalasa

I did the weanlings with Noromectin Pour-on last Saturday. It was my 3rd time this year doing them. They were coughing a bit too. I always like to have them done about 3 weeks before weaning as I think it really cleans them out before the stress of weaning comes.
I did the cows with Trodax about a month ago. Don't normally do them during the grazing season, but with the really wet summer, I decided to do them. I won't do them again for Liver Fluke untill well into the winter.
I don't do the weanlings for fluke in the first grazing season.

Grecco

The place is swimming so I dosed all weanlens/calves every month since July.
They are inside now and thriving away no problems. The cows were dosed ever 6 weeks.
I used Endospec SC which is a knock off Valbazen SC but at only a fraction of the price.
I will inject all the cows with Trodax in November and thats it till Mid May 2013

blue5000

Doing mine with creosote, burnt oil and copper sulphate:D Is he gone yet?

lalababa

How are people getting on with fluke ?Have 2yr olds who were given closmectin in early july for fluke and worms, they seem ok (of course they could drop tomo if they have fluke) and have been on wet ground since then. Was thinking of giving them closmectin again this weekWhat do ye think??. They will be housed in a month (weather permitting) and dosed again after 3/4 weeks.

bbam

lalababa wrote: »

How are people getting on with fluke ?Have 2yr olds who were given closmectin in early july for fluke and worms, they seem ok (of course they could drop tomo if they have fluke) and have been on wet ground since then. Was thinking of giving them closmectin again this weekWhat do ye think??. They will be housed in a month (weather permitting) and dosed again after 3/4 weeks.

Our vet says to mix up the treatments. Don't use the same fluke/wormer all the time as resistance can be a problem. That's why we mix from Injectable bimectin to a regular oral drench.
Hard to tell if it has a benifet but it makes sense and it's easy to keep it alternating.

caseman

Do all cows with deltrax about 4 weeks after housing.
All calves done twice during summer once with pour an and white drench about 3 weeks before weaning,all calves done with deltrax and animec 4 weeeks after housing.

tabby aspreme

For anyone with sheep here, found a young ewe dead last week she was in good condition , took a look at her liver,full of fluke about 5 mm long, all dosed that day with the Endex I bought a week previous .mad

The man in red and black

bbam wrote: »

Our vet says to mix up the treatments. Don't use the same fluke/wormer all the time as resistance can be a problem. That's why we mix from Injectable bimectin to a regular oral drench.
Hard to tell if it has a benifet but it makes sense and it's easy to keep it alternating.

Important not to just change the brand/method of administration but also the active ingredient. Animalhealthireland have a good leaflet out on liver fluke (http://www.animalhealthireland.ie/ckfinder/userfiles/files/Animal%20Health%20Liver%20Fluke%206pp-web(1).pdf) which shows the various drugs on page 5 and states what stage of the liver fluke cycle it is active against. Important to get the immatures as they are the ones that cause the damage as they migrate through the liver itself.

whelan1

blue5000 wrote: »

Doing mine with creosote, burnt oil and copper sulphate:D Is he gone yet?

you forgot the jeyes fluid:D

pakalasa

Or the Yellow stuff we injected them with before. That's great stuff.:D

PatQfarmer

AS it was so wet, all stock dosed with drench every month since June. Would be coughing again at end of month.
Ivomec jab to everything last weekend, so hope I'm covered until housing.
Will drench again then.

Black Smoke

Dosed for everything for fluke a minth ago, just as it has been a wet year.
Will dose again 4 weeks after housing.

So I see nobody so far, has gone or proposes going the belt and braces route, and covering for Rumen Fluke as well as liver fluke.!

49801

Suck calves done with noromectin pour on over the summer twice. Done 4 weeks ago again with leavacide oral drench

babybrian

My vet told me to change from using albex during the summer on weanlings and incalf heifers(ai'd may/june). He suggested levafas diamond, I was then wondering after can it be used on incalf heifers so I rang him back to ask and he said yes work away.
Now conflicting reports when I look it up, it contains as main ingredient Oxyclozanide and further down the label says "Do not use in animals producing milk for human consumption".

Then on animal health ireland http://www.animalhealthireland.ie/ckfinder/userfiles/files/Animal%20Health%20Liver%20Fluke%206pp-web(1).pdf page 5 it shows Oxyclozanide to be okay for use on cows and heifers.

HELP
Should I go ahead with my vets advice?

Milkymoos

babybrian wrote: »

My vet told me to change from using albex during the summer on weanlings and incalf heifers(ai'd may/june). He suggested levafas diamond, I was then wondering after can it be used on incalf heifers so I rang him back to ask and he said yes work away.
Now conflicting reports when I look it up, it contains as main ingredient Oxyclozanide and further down the label says "Do not use in animals producing milk for human consumption".

Then on animal health ireland http://www.animalhealthireland.ie/ckfinder/userfiles/files/Animal%20Health%20Liver%20Fluke%206pp-web(1).pdf page 5 it shows Oxyclozanide to be okay for use on cows and heifers.

HELP
Should I go ahead with my vets advice?

Technically levafas diamond isn't licensed for milking cows or dry cows in calf, it was at one time and had an 80 hour milk withdrawal but norbrook did not renew this license as product was not selling until rumen fluke became a problem. Know plenty of lads who have used it on cows-incalf heifers with no issue but you still have to keep in mind that it is NOT licensed for these animals. Not an issue with the product itself but with the milk withdrawals. Rule of thumb is any animal medicine which does not have a milk withdrawal stated on packaging is not licensed for use on animals that are or will be producing milk for human consumption. If you do decide to go ahead make sure you don't overdose, product is hard on animals and they will scour after. Saying all that though I probably would take a chance on it. Hope this helps....

bob charles

Black Smoke wrote: »

So I see nobody so far, has gone or proposes going the belt and braces route, and covering for Rumen Fluke as well as liver fluke.!

there is always an "odd man out" so

Bleating Lamb

Dose the ewes once a year for rumen fluke....have fair bit of ground thats wet in any bad year.....think it is def worth doing.Usually in August post weaning.

reilig

Black Smoke wrote: »

So I see nobody so far, has gone or proposes going the belt and braces route, and covering for Rumen Fluke as well as liver fluke.!

As I said in another thread, based on my vet's advice, I did everything with Levefas Diamond for Rumen fluke. There is a great thrive in animals since it was done.

pakalasa

reilig wrote: »

As I said in another thread, based on my vet's advice, I did everything with Levefas Diamond for Rumen fluke. There is a great thrive in animals since it was done.

Not surprised !!!
I have a few very scoury older animals at the moment, all around 1.5 to 3.5 years old.. It's a real watery, mucous type too. All are gone very thin. All tested for BVD, so happy it's not that. Suspect it may be Remun Fluke. Some of them I did a while back for Liver fluke (Trodax). I dosed them with Zanil so we'll see how they go.

nashmach

pakalasa wrote: »

Not surprised !!!
I have a few very scoury older animals at the moment, all around 1.5 to 3.5 years old.. It's a real watery, mucous type too. All are gone very thin. All tested for BVD, so happy it's not that. Suspect it may be Remun Fluke. Some of them I did a while back for Liver fluke (Trodax). I dosed them with Zanil so we'll see how they go.

Have one here the exact same and not smelling great either.

All were done with Animec about six weeks ago or less.

He'll be getting some Zanil at the weekend.

pakalasa

Ya, mine have a real bad smell too.

whelan1

pakalasa wrote: »

Ya, mine have a real bad smell too.

what age are they? if the zanil doesnt clear them up get them tested for johnes

KCTK

nashmach wrote: »

Have one here the exact same and not smelling great either.

All were done with Animec about six weeks ago or less.

He'll be getting some Zanil at the weekend.

I would get the Zanil in as soon as you can if you suspect rumen fluke. I have lost 4 year and a half bullock to it in past week before it was diagnosed, last fellow was sent to regional veterinary office and the post mortem showed up that his small intestine was riddled with immature rumen fluke, nothing had showed up in dung samples.

bob charles

KCTK wrote: »

I would get the Zanil in as soon as you can if you suspect rumen fluke. I have lost 4 year and a half bullock to it in past week before it was diagnosed, last fellow was sent to regional veterinary office and the post mortem showed up that his small intestine was riddled with immature rumen fluke, nothing had showed up in dung samples.

seems you done the correct thing and followed official advice. except as I said in the past to be sure of rumen fluke is present it usually too late. sorry to hear of your loss

I have being banging on about Rumen fluke problems all year http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=80502994&postcount=11

KCTK

bob charles wrote: »

seems you done the correct thing and followed official advice. except as I said in the past to be sure of rumen fluke is present it usually too late. sorry to hear of your loss

I have being banging on about Rumen fluke problems all year

Exactly unfortunately, they were scouring when I put them into treat, vet thought first it was outbreak of samonella and treated accordingly while waiting for results, that was last Thursday. He mentioned Zanil on Friday but was afraid if it wasn't rumen fluke he could make things worse with them, casulties then over the weekend while stomack tubing and IVing the pen of them, others are starting to come around a little now after the Zanil on Tuesday but I'd have to pay you to take them nearly at this stage they look so bad after it, staggering around the place.

Will have to watch your posts more closely Bob

vanderbadger

nearly lost a strong bull weanling this year, went scoury as hell, lost a heap of condition, even his coat turned off color, brought him indoors, dosed with levafas diamond and animec pour on, he was pretty sick, drooley from the mouth, poor appetite as well for nearly a week but started to come round, was tested for bvd by vet, when that didnt explain it was told it was probably transient bvd by vet..wondered if he was just riddled with fluke myself but sure it could have been anything i suppose
did remaining calves with levafas there the other weekend, by the following day they were ****ing all over the shop but seem to have dried up again now, have done all the cows as well, its not bad value, 4 liter is 60 quid about on magenta site

nashmach

KCTK wrote: »

I would get the Zanil in as soon as you can if you suspect rumen fluke. I have lost 4 year and a half bullock to it in past week before it was diagnosed, last fellow was sent to regional veterinary office and the post mortem showed up that his small intestine was riddled with immature rumen fluke, nothing had showed up in dung samples.

Sorry to hear that.

He'll be done first thing Saturday morning.

He is eating meal and has been for the past few months, just watery compared to his comrades and not doing as well. Otherwise is fine and actually was coming on well until last week.

Zanil and a fresh pick of grass should help him.

He has been on wet land most of the year anyway which wouldn't help.

Black Smoke

nashmach wrote: »

Sorry to hear that.

He'll be done first thing Saturday morning.

He is eating meal and has been for the past few months, just watery compared to his comrades and not doing as well. Otherwise is fine and actually was coming on well until last week.

Zanil and a fresh pick of grass should help him.

He has been on wet land most of the year anyway which wouldn't help.

Thing is, if one has it, probably all it's comrades have it, to one degree or another. Maybe all need doing.

Surfn

just to post on the watery scour, i posted another a message on this in another thread about a month ago. shes about 16 months old. had a really bad scour out on the grass. i put her in the shed along with another 1. she was losing condition. i dosed her with twice since she went in and gave her a cooper injection aswell. she seems to be thriving now and is not scouring but i have to say shes very skittery compaired with the other 1 in the shed. some of you lads said that there was a really bad smell of the scour. i noticed that myself. shes eating hay and meal really well. shes also a pretty nervous kinda heifer

pakalasa

Black Smoke wrote: »

Thing is, if one has it, probably all it's comrades have it, to one degree or another. Maybe all need doing.

Because of the time of year, I would only do the scoury ones at the moment. Zanil will also cover Mature Liver fluke, so if you wait a month or so after housing, you can do them with Zanil and be covered for both Stomach and Liver fluke. Just my opinion, by the way.

greysides

Where individual animals are scoury AND SICK, you should consider taking their temperatures.

Surfn

would dosing with animec super and zanil combination be enough at housing, rather than waiting 4 weeks when in. would this combination kill all fluke and worms when housing

Milkymoos

Surfn wrote: »

would dosing with animec super and zanil combination be enough at housing, rather than waiting 4 weeks when in. would this combination kill all fluke and worms when housing

Zanil and animec super will only cover the adult liver fluke. You could think about doing with levafas diamond at housing for worms, adult liver fluke and rumen fluke and 6 to 8 weeks later doing with animec super to kill most of the rest of the fluke. Levafas ain't great on stomach worms so animec would do the job on them better as well. At least it's only an injection you would have to do later in the housing period as well.

pakalasa

Article in this weeks journal (20 Oct '12) on Rumen Fluke, in teh 'Vets Corner' inside back page. Regional Vet Labs reporting rise in cases. Zanil & Levafas Diamond recommended for treatment.

Muckit

Excellent thread.... I'm trying to absorb it all!

OK lads my knowledge on the whole dosing lark would be .... TERRIBLE to say the least!! .... so some help please would be much appreciated! Seems a lot of lads on here in the know....

Must arm myself with a few right bits and bobs so there can be less excuses!!

Injecting
Could someone please recommend a good syringe for injecting cattle? Are there some out now with a trigger type system? Are they any good? What size needle etc for subcut injecting?

Oral drenching
Also dosing hooks.... any particular make better than others?

Pour-ons
Does clipping the back make the dose any more effective in your opinion/experience? I've been using closamectin for the last while, but from reading posts here I am coming to the conclusion that 'mixing it up' and using different doses and methods will yield better results.

Last few Q's....

What would lads recommend a lad to give year and halfs (nothing given since housing)?
What would you recommend give light weanlings bought in the next few weeks?

Thanks in advance

Muckit

Muckit

It was Lostcovey that put me onto this site and it's publications before.

http://www.animalhealthireland.ie/pdf/AHI-ParasiteControlatHousing-Aug2011.pdf

1chippy

we dosed all for liver fluke first,waited a few weeks then done for worms and a couple of weeks later done for rumen fluke (levafas d). all the weanlings were done last week with an ivermectin but we didnt do the cows, the most of them are due to pop in the next few weeks.what would you recommend for the cows, they would probably need aworm and liver fluke dose again or am i thinking right.