Psychotherapy course in Ireland. Accreditation in UK

kinsy

Hi

I am currently working towards qualification as a psychotherapist. Am considering my options upon completion, including emigrating.
Does anyone know, or can anyone steer me in the right direction to find out for myself, what the situation is regarding a qualification from Ireland and then working towards accreditation in the UK?
Will courses transfer so long as they meet the UK requirements?
From google searches I'm still not very clear as it's a much bigger and wider area so I don't know which assoications or boards I should be looking at

Cheers

Odysseus

Best thing to do would be check BACP, a therapist on my team trained in the UK and then transfered here. I Think it might be on a case by case basis. I know you can would here with only BACP membership, I don't know if it works the other way around. Have a look here http://www.bacp.co.uk/accreditation/ Hope that helps.

kinsy

This is exactly what I was looking for, thanks. I have come across the BACP before but I wasn't sure if they were the crowd to be contacting.
Cheers

Odysseus

kinsy wrote: »

This is exactly what I was looking for, thanks. I have come across the BACP before but I wasn't sure if they were the crowd to be contacting.
Cheers

No probs, your welcome. Just from my experience they seem to be the main professional body in the UK, any UK therapist I have worked with have been members. May be let us know how you get on as I sure that info will be of benefit to others.

JuliusCaesar

kinsy wrote: »

I am currently working towards qualification as a psychotherapist. Am considering my options upon completion, including emigrating.
Does anyone know, or can anyone steer me in the right direction to find out for myself, what the situation is regarding a qualification from Ireland and then working towards accreditation in the UK?
Will courses transfer so long as they meet the UK requirements?

If the course meets European standards, it should be acceptable all over the world. Is the course accredited by a reputable national organisation? Is that national organisation affiliated with a reputable European organisation?

For example, the Irish Council for Psychotherapy is affiliated with the European Council for Psychotherapy, and they have Europe-wide training standards.

krd

JuliusCaesar wrote: »

For example, the Irish Council for Psychotherapy is affiliated with the European Council for Psychotherapy, and they have Europe-wide training standards.

You make it sound like engineering.


You know what bothers me.....People seeing this business as a good way to make money...And not so much driven by a desire to help people.

JuliusCaesar

krd wrote: »

You make it sound like engineering.

Or medicine. Or nursing. Or social work. Architecture. Law. Accounting. Or any other profession that requires regulation, to try to ensure some protection of the public.

kinsy

Odysseus wrote: »

May be let us know how you get on as I sure that info will be of benefit to others.

yeah, I certainly will. It's still all up in the air and I'm not even sure it'll happen but if and when I find out concrete info, I'll report back.


@KRD, what an odd thing to say. You know what bothers me? People moaning and trying to pick fights for no reason whatsoever.

krd

JuliusCaesar wrote: »

Or medicine. Or nursing. Or social work.

I have met people in medicine and social work, who should never have been in those jobs. Nursing was once, hard work, low status, low pay. Nurses tended to have a genuine caring disposition. It seems, the pay and conditions improve and the dead eyed vultures swoop in. This clearly did happen in Ireland. Spending on health massively increased - but the standards of care massively fell, to the point a few years back we had an international rating that put us somewhere between the Ukraine and Poland.

There is a certain kind of person who should never be in any caring profession. For the simple reason they do not care. They may even despise the people they are meant to be caring for.

And it's not that people just got a shoddy service, people died. And probably suffered greatly in the process.

Architecture. Law. Accounting.

Having a misanthropic disposition is hardly going to effect the outcomes for clients in those professions.

Or any other profession that requires regulation, to try to ensure some protection of the public.

Regulations will not protect the public, without strong ethics in place.

I was in an Irish hospital a few months back (nothing serious). It was farcical. I was in excruciating pain. The receptionist couldn't resist making snide remarks (she probably saw the cold beads of sweat dripping down my pale face and thought, this is a loser, an outcast, a scumbag. I'm a middle-class woman in my smort job - I have "social skills"- He's very obviously in pain, I'll give him another dig). Four hours of waiting. The nurses were just as evil. Finally, I get to see the surgeon. Incredibly rude, in the way only snotty well educated middle class women can be (I don't mean well educated in the sense that's she's some kind of intellectual - I mean more fee paying hockey school educated). More sly digs, more snide remarks. A condescending lecture. And sadism.

...All I needed...All I was there for, was a local anesthetic for my jaw. They can't be bought over the counter. It's the first thing I ask her for.

She says she needs to examine me first. So she puts a small hammer in my mouth and starts hitting my teeth - "Does that hurt, "ping". Does that hurt? ping". Of course it all hurts - the nerves in my face are inflamed - its excruciatingly painful - and she's making the inflammation worse. After all this she goes "I'm not going to give a local anesthetic, it would do you no good". I'm shocked, but I beg. Her responses are drivel. And then I see it, the smirk she's trying to suppress - but part of her wants me to see it. She knows how long I've been waiting, she knows how much pain I'm in, (what she doesn't know, is I know she's lying - the local anesthetic would stop the pain and reduce the inflammation - without it, I could be in non-stop agony for days.) This is some kind of game - she's enjoying this. Her eyes are wide "this is all I can do for you", but there's a mocking, nearly inhuman iciness in her "caring" voice.

Even though, at that minute I'm suffering like Christ on the cross, a sereneness comes over me. I let her finish talking, this time I don't beg, I just let the silence hang in air. I look her straight in the eyes, and I smile. Then I have one of those beautiful moments where you connect with another human being - and I connect with her. It's like looking into her soul - and for a moment I glimpse her inner worthlessness. She knows now I'm onto her, gets a little flustered. But I've had enough, and I walk out. I wouldn't accept anything from her at this point.

Elsewhere, someone takes pity on me and gives me a local anesthetic. The pain stops nearly immediately, and the inflammation comes down and no further problems.

I have no idea why that woman despised me, I had never met her before in my life, but despise me she did. Or maybe she didn't hate me - and just got her pleasure in life through watching needless suffering. Either way there was lots wrong with her. There are people who can not help themselves from being harmful. Typhoid Marys.

Julius, do you see how I might be a little worried?

JuliusCaesar

krd - this is entirely off topic. If you have a complaint, go to the professional association of the person/s you want to complain about. That's in part why the associations exist: to enforce the ethics. Statutory registration ensures that only those on the register are allowed practice.

hawkwind23

krd
that was very good, enjoyed that
i have similar experiences in education!

MorrisseyMc

I am training at the moment, and I am with Turning Point and DCU . They are accredited with the ECP . SO you can work in England with it.

krd, I am caught by what you said, about nursing. The money went up and the standards went down. Very true. I qualified 15 years ago, and my wages shot up over the years.

I am no longer a nurse. Thankfully

M

JuliusCaesar

Correlation does not imply causation.


Did yous forget that cornerstone of science? :rolleyes:

krd

JuliusCaesar wrote: »

Correlation does not imply causation.

No, you're not right there. Correlation may imply causation, or a casual link, it does not prove causation.

A correlation is a correlation. It's indicative that there may be a relationship. But it can always be qualified in the sense that it does not show a causal link. You can put a narrative on the correlation. If you can test the hypothesis then all and well - but you can't always do that. In that instance, your narrative is qualified as unreliable, but it does not mean it's untrue or has no value. Speculation is not unscientific as long as its reliability is qualified.

And similarly with anecdotal evidence. A single anecdote is neither particularly scientific or unscientific. Just by itself, it gives no indication of where it sits statistically. Interview a single nurse, if she says her boss is a psychopathic bollox and illustrates with an anecdote, then it's a single anecdote and unreliable. However, interview ten of their colleagues. And if nine out of ten cats, all have a similar but different anecdotes, then you more or less have hard scientific evidence that their boss is a psychopathic bollox.

Did yous forget that cornerstone of science? :rolleyes:

Something tells me, you're grumpy about what I said......I have no scientific proof...........I just feel it in my bones.......That you're grumpy.