Considering skirmishing... GBB or invest in an AEG?

hightower1

Evening folks, so after having my first skirmish on a stag this weekend I have to say I thoroughly enjoyed it. Been collecting / plinking for 5 years now and own a few GBBs.

So my questions this... does anyone here skirmish (cqc) with GBBRs? If so do you find its practical?

Secondly as a plinker / collector I never found a need to have very many mags so how many would you recommend one should pick up so that Im not in and out of the safe zone all evening long.

The bug has caught me I think so its no trouble to me to skirmish one of my older gbbrs or just invest in an AEG. I'd prefer to run the GBBR tbh and dont mind the reloads (just adds to the realisim) but is it actually do able? I cant tell myself after just one match being a noob against other noobs.

Looking forward to the replies.

T4RGET

If you honestly don't mind the reloading, then it is doable yes. But as we all know they're expensive to run and that cost will only go up when you start using it on a weekly basis.
I'd get an AEG and use mid caps or real caps if you want . but the 30rds may put you at a serious disadvantage. I carry 8 mags with me, but can carry a max of 14 if I need to.
the one advantage you will have with the GBBr in CQB will be the sheer fear factor it will have in close combat

gerrowadat

GBB rifles are useless for anything but slightly more hardcore milsims where you're actually unlikely to unload more than a couple dozen bbs in the day. Reloading them is a pain in the hole and they're picky with maintenance.

My advice is pick up an aeg and a box of mids, 10 MAG brand mids are all you'll ever need, they're pretty much indestructable.

Inari

Yes it is doable, especially in CQB where the GBBR's range is not an issue. Many people will use pistols only in CQB, but many also use high ROF AEG's which can be hard to tackle with small quantities of BB's and cool down effect.

As for mags; if you're going GBBR I would say an absolute minimum of 6. Remember you're going to be contending with failures; excessive cool down, leaking, sticking valves etc. If you want to stay in the game you need to be able to switch.

Like yourself I would categorise myself firmly in the collectors camp so I do know where you're coming from - it is a lot of money to invest (mags, parts etc) but it is doable. However you may prefer to separate the skirmishing from collecting and have a "skirmish" AEG + mags etc. For AEG's I'd recommend 5x mid caps - I can't say I've ever been in a position where I've needed more.

Can you skirmish a GBB/R? Yes, especially CQB. Is it practical? No. Fun as hell though!

Lemming

I've skirmished an M1 Garand in a CQB environment against lots of m4 stubby thrillers and the like, for giggles. Yes it's possible. Very possible actually. And very satisfying.

As for reloading, either accept it and get on with it, buy more mags (which in fairness is not an insignificant cost factor) or use an AEG with higher capacity magazines available. Bring a secondary for those "dead mans click" moments, and then change mag or reload after. Job done, fuss over.

It's no different to using AEG's or GBB pistols really, you've just got to change your playstyle accordingly because you've less rounds to use at a given moment before needing to reload.

Inari

Lemming wrote: »

Bring a secondary for those "dead mans click" moments, and then change mag or reload after. Job done, fuss over.

Lemming wrote: »

It's no different to using AEG's or GBB pistols really, you've just got to change your playstyle accordingly

This. Truth.

And I think this is the crux of why it's more enjoyable. You pull the trigger, and nothing happens, or you hear the gas empty and you've got to switch to a secondary to buy you enough time to sort it out (changing mags etc).

It just adds another layer to the enjoyment of the game, and for me at least is a deciding factor on whether I want to go out and play or not.

Do you have a WE G36C? I seem to remember you posting a picture of one. It is regarded as one of the best designs for GBBR's, especially where magazines are concerned...so it'd be worth starting there

King John The Last

Inari wrote: »

Can you skirmish a GBB/R? Yes, especially CQB. Is it practical? No. Fun as hell though!

I use a GBBR as my main gun outdoors. I think Inari summed it up well there though. Does using a GBBR put you at a disadvantage to everyone else? Yes, undoubtedly. Do I care? No:D Personally I think that the recoil/fun is worth the disadvantages but not many people agree with me. Especially the serious airsofters. I just go to shoot things and have fun. However, I think you should definitely try an AEG once to see the huge difference. Most sites will let you rent one for the day. I'd say rent an AEG for one day, try your GBBR another and make your decision after that. If you do have a WE G36C that would be ideal for finding out if GBB suits you, its famed as one of the least troublesome guns. I have 4 mags and if i reload after every every game I rarely run out completely.

hightower1

Thanks for all the opinions guys, I think I will stick to AEG for now. Just the way it worked out I guess as when I was setting up a short barrel version of my WE m4 I found a fault with the NPAS kit not threading correctly anymore to the push rod and I just though.... this is part and parcel of gas , maybe best not to field it just yet.

Will pick up a nice Galaxy mp7 and some hicaps for it. Seems like a sensible CQC option being nice and lightweight, possibility of the extra barrel length with the power up silencer(fps limits not withstanding), maneuverable and still purdy

I appreciate all the input here and am thrilled to have liked my first game so much, looking forward to more to come as soon as funds permit! Thanks again all.

sliabh

hightower1 wrote: »

Will pick up a nice Galaxy mp7 and some hicaps for it. Seems like a sensible CQC option being nice and lightweight, possibility of the extra barrel length with the power up silencer(fps limits not withstanding), maneuverable and still purdy

It's a couple of years since I did my research on MP7s (and I ended up getting a TM one) but weren't the Galaxy MP7s notorious for poor reliability?

As I said this was a while ago, so I don't know if they are any better now.

Inari

Not to mention that such a staunch supporter of the GBBR as yourself should be waiting for the beast that will certainly be the TM MP7 GBB :P

kev-Oakridge

Inari wrote: »

Not to mention that such a staunch supporter of the GBBR as yourself should be waiting for the beast that will certainly be the TM MP7 GBB :P

Yup can't wait for that myself, love playing cqb with just pistols, makes it much more of a challenge

Lemming

kev-Oakridge wrote: »

Yup can't wait for that myself, love playing cqb with just pistols, makes it much more of a challenge

Ask your local CQB site if they'll run pistol & shotgun evenings or some such; you'll be amazed at just how different an experience it is regarding how people play, how games flow, and how popular the concept is. Certainly any pistol & shottie evenings (they tended to be evening/half-day sort of affairs) that Brit-Tac ran in Sheffield was always popular.


Edit: Also, King John; I agree with you on GBBRs. So what, you're at a disadvantage but only if you play to the other guy's strengths. GBBRs are - in airsoft terms - a thinking mans tool. You can't just run in blasting away, magazines are not the weight of a euro coin, and you're sitting closer to real capacity limits. You have a whole other set of variables that you now have to factor in and rise to the challenge. Personally I think they're fantastic. I just need a Gympie with an escort kit now and I'll be happy as larry

Rooky1

Lemming wrote: »

Ask your local CQB site if they'll run pistol & shotgun evenings or some such; you'll be amazed at just how different an experience it is regarding how people play, how games flow, and how popular the concept is. Certainly any pistol & shottie evenings (they tended to be evening/half-day sort of affairs) that Brit-Tac ran in Sheffield was always popular.

Have to agree with Lemming. I have gamed at several pistol and shotgun only games and I have to say they can be one of the most full on, hectic and extremely enjoyable games you can play.:)