Moving Job in Public Sector - New Entrant?

remnant

Hi,

I have seen some old threads but they seemed to be specific to teachers, so I just wanted to give my circumstances. I understand from a current vacancy that if I apply for another position in a different part of the public service, " Different pay and conditions may apply if immediately prior to appointment the appointee is already a serving Civil or Public Servant." (It's the competition authority if anyone else is interested!)

Is it relevant whether I started in the public service after the 1 January 2011 for this to apply (I have seem some definitions of new entrant linked to this date). I have only working in the public sector since March 2011. I am trying to find out if I would also go in at the bottom of the advertised pay scale for this job or could I move on my current pay. Any info anyone has would be appreciated.

Thanks

petersburg2002

If the advertised bottom of the scale is higher than what you are earning now then that is likely what you will start on. The other pay scales refer to well established civil servants. Most entrants after jan 2011 will already be on lower payscales. And from what I have seen the new rates for the Competition Authority are rather generous. So highly unlikely you will get a higher rate.

remnant

petersburg2002 wrote: »

If the advertised bottom of the scale is higher than what you are earning now then that is likely what you will start on. The other pay scales refer to well established civil servants. Most entrants after jan 2011 will already be on lower payscales. And from what I have seen the new rates for the Competition Authority are rather generous. So highly unlikely you will get a higher rate.

Thanks Peter. Yes I am on the lower payscale but am no longer on the very bottom. The CA jobs appear to have one payscale which everyone goes in at the bottom off. I am wondering if I am still considered a new entrant as I started after January 2011. The lowest point on the CA scale would be lower than my current wage.

petersburg2002

Well as far as I am aware you will go in at the point of the scale nearest your present salary. So you will not be worse off when moving within the public sector. The payscale advertised would be the one you would be on. There is some leeway to allow them match your present salary. It's a different story for someone coming in from outside. Usually first point of the scale only.

remnant

remnant wrote: »

Hi,

I have seen some old threads but they seemed to be specific to teachers, so I just wanted to give my circumstances. I understand from a current vacancy that if I apply for another position in a different part of the public service, " Different pay and conditions may apply if immediately prior to appointment the appointee is already a serving Civil or Public Servant." (It's the competition authority if anyone else is interested!)

Is it relevant whether I started in the public service after the 1 January 2011 for this to apply (I have seem some definitions of new entrant linked to this date). I have only working in the public sector since March 2011. I am trying to find out if I would also go in at the bottom of the advertised pay scale for this job or could I move on my current pay. Any info anyone has would be appreciated.

Thanks

That's what I would hope. Cheers for your thoughts.

petersburg2002

Best of luck. Looks to be a great job.

FANTAPANTS

pm me the job so i can take a closer look cheers

remnant

It's on the the public jobs website, just search for competition authority, it's still open.

Equality

You become a 'new entrant' if you have a break in service which is greater than a set period of time (used to be six months, not sure what it is now).

A career break, or maternity leave is not a break in service.

Usually if you move straight from one public service employer to another (eg SNA to teaching), this is not a break in service, but you should get this in writing before accepting the new job.

This will hit a lot of young people who are not permanent if they take a 'year out' in Australia/US - they will be 'new entrants' when they come back. If they stayed in Ireland and got one day of sub teaching or sub work in any public service job (one day per six months, last time I checked) they would hold their previous terms and conditions. I know a lot of people who have been caught by this, and it is an awful lot of money.

twinytwo

Equality wrote: »

You become a 'new entrant' if you have a break in service which is greater than a set period of time (used to be six months, not sure what it is now).

A career break, or maternity leave is not a break in service.

Usually if you move straight from one public service employer to another (eg SNA to teaching), this is not a break in service, but you should get this in writing before accepting the new job.

This will hit a lot of young people who are not permanent if they take a 'year out' in Australia/US - they will be 'new entrants' when they come back. If they stayed in Ireland and got one day of sub teaching or sub work in any public service job (one day per six months, last time I checked) they would hold their previous terms and conditions. I know a lot of people who have been caught by this, and it is an awful lot of money.

Only in the good old public service could you get a career break...

JustAThought

twinytwo wrote: »

Only in the good old public service could you get a career break...

I know two people on them at the mo - both hsving their permanent jobs kept for them , mortgagee paid + basic " allowance" of 13k.

Equality

The people currently on career break potentially get:

13K salary

Illness Benefit (they are not barred from this, obviously they need to be sick). They can claim for the spouse and kids, depending on the income of the spouse.

Carers Benefit (obviously they need a sick relative).