Do you Roll your land?

NewBeefFarmer

well?

if not, why not,

and if you do, why? or is levelling the ground the only reason?


im looking at mine now, and with such a wet year, even the hardest of my ground has hoof marks and digging.. . .

my worse time for this is opening a new paddock. . . lol. . . they run like hell. .

what ive started to do is. . . . . . open the next paddock to them with them been unaware of it. . . . . works perfect. . . the keep eating . . heads down, and before they know it there in the new field.

NBF

epfff

only ever rool after reseading
dont see point in burning diesal compacting ground
find running sheep for autumn btings it back to itself

bbam

On silage ground one or two rounds on the outside to be sure it's clear from anything from the ditch.
Other than that no.

Conor556

Just a chain harrow. Give every field a run over in spring anything that is badly poached give it 2 runs.

snowman707

same as conor my roller is covered in moss,

only use a chain harrow.. usually after first grazing in Spring , thinking some fields will need an extra run next year

oldsmokey

I rolled a few fields this year after they were poached, couldnt leave a mower into them otherwise!! Got some seed onto them via the slurry tanker first, they look good now..
I reckon its worse to have the field full of waterfilled holes than risk a bit of compaction..

CloughCasey1

Sorry to drag up an old thread. We always roll the silage/hay fields once last grazing (usually heavy stores) and after manure.10inch diameter concrete roller.are we doing more harm than good? Would investing in a 12 foot chain harrow be better option?

Miname

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Sorry to drag up an old thread. We always roll the silage/hay fields once last grazing (usually heavy stores) and after manure.10inch diameter concrete roller.are we doing more harm than good? Would investing in a 12 foot chain harrow be better option?

A ten inch concrete roller wouldn't be compacting too much . Any idea of the weight of it?

CloughCasey1

Miname wrote: »

A ten inch concrete roller wouldn't be compacting too much . Any idea of the weight of it?

I would assume 400kg approx

Base price

At this time of the year (weather permitting), I either chain harrow or land level depending how deep the divots/tyre tracks are. Fingers crossed after a few days of a dry spell when we get the opportunity, we roll fields the land where I run in foal mares that have been over wintered. Same goes for a couple of out farms that we have where we would have overwinter yearling bulls and cull cows.
Other than that I always roll the headlands (x4) of hay/silage ground and a few swipes of either side of gateways.

_Brian

Ground closed for silage gets the headlands rolled and that's it.

RobinBanks

Just reading some of the replies here I was wondering about chain harrowing poached land. I have a chain harrow but use it mainly during the summer after cows come out of a paddock. I find it mighty for spreading dung patches and pulling up old grass roots.

But that's about all I find it any good for. I stopped using it it spring because of the amount of scraws it brought up. The field would look ready for seeding afterwards. Ok, the fields may have been badly poached but I dont think using the harrow helped one bit.

Anyone else find this when using a chain harrow?

twin_beacon

rolled around 8 acres on monday. It had a few cattle on it for the winter, and was very rough.

Reggie.

Roll all fields here

Count Mondego

RobinBanks wrote: »

Just reading some of the replies here I was wondering about chain harrowing poached land. I have a chain harrow but use it mainly during the summer after cows come out of a paddock. I find it mighty for spreading dung patches and pulling up old grass roots.

But that's about all I find it any good for. I stopped using it it spring because of the amount of scraws it brought up. The field would look ready for seeding afterwards. Ok, the fields may have been badly poached but I dont think using the harrow helped one bit.

Anyone else find this when using a chain harrow?

Using a chain harrow for this never made any sense to me. I use to to put a cover over grass seed after reseeding. Roll any meadow that is poached from spring. When people talk about the dangers of compaction, is that the first inch or 2 of soil or panning lower down? Cant see how a roller would do damage. I've never had water lodging or other symptoms of panning from rolling, except a nice level field :-)

CloughCasey1

Count Mondego wrote: »

Using a chain harrow for this never made any sense to me. I use to to put a cover over grass seed after reseeding. Roll any meadow that is poached from spring. When people talk about the dangers of compaction, is that the first inch or 2 of soil or panning lower down? Cant see how a roller would do damage. I've never had water lodging or other symptoms of panning from rolling, except a nice level field :-)

Same as. It's either that or lumps of scraw in silage bales. Does rolling do any good for thickening grass?

9935452

Count Mondego wrote: »

Using a chain harrow for this never made any sense to me. I use to to put a cover over grass seed after reseeding. Roll any meadow that is poached from spring. When people talk about the dangers of compaction, is that the first inch or 2 of soil or panning lower down? Cant see how a roller would do damage. I've never had water lodging or other symptoms of panning from rolling, except a nice level field :-)

I cant see a roller doing too much compaction. The problem with rolling is the ground needs to be a bit soft for the rollar to work properly. Too soft and the roller will stop turning and will cause more problems
The biggest problem with compaction is overloaded silage trailers/wagons/ vacuum tanks and continuous traffic like at gaps. Machinery in general has gotten a lot heavier, 130hp tractor weights around 6 ton, 2500 vacuum tank around 4 ton , 10/11 ton of slurry . The whole rig is around 20 ton on 6 wheels

Count Mondego

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Same as. It's either that or lumps of scraw in silage bales. Does rolling do any good for thickening grass?

Wouldn't say so unless you spread a bit of seed beforehand. Could be wrong though.

ganmo

9935452 wrote: »

I cant see a roller doing too much compaction. The problem with rolling is the ground needs to be a bit soft for the rollar to work properly. Too soft and the roller will stop turning and will cause more problems
The biggest problem with compaction is overloaded silage trailers/wagons/ vacuum tanks and continuous traffic like at gaps. Machinery in general has gotten a lot heavier, 130hp tractor weights around 6 ton, 2500 vacuum tank around 4 ton , 10/11 ton of slurry . The whole rig is around 20 ton on 6 wheels

Was chattin to a tractor salesman at the machinery show and he was makin a virtue of the heaviness of this 90hp tractor...

9935452

ganmo wrote: »

Was chattin to a tractor salesman at the machinery show and he was makin a virtue of the heaviness of this 90hp tractor...

Traction eh. If the tractor was light he would go on about how light it was.
My point really was that the weight of modern machinery would do more harm , compaction wise than a roller would.

frazzledhome

We roll about 30% of the farm each year as we spread dung and would be a little concerned about foreign objects. All the farm gets either silaged or surplus bales taken so don't want to run the risk of mower damage especially as I've just bought a new one!!!

White Clover

frazzledhome wrote: »

We roll about 30% of the farm each year as we spread dung and would be a little concerned about foreign objects. All the farm gets either silaged or surplus bales taken so don't want to run the risk of mower damage especially as I've just bought a new one!!!

Another Krone Frazz ?

frazzledhome

White Clover wrote: »

Another Krone Frazz ?

Yes, this will be no3. We change every 5 yrs even though the one I traded was in really good shape. Splashed out and bought a mower and Krone tedder as the last tedder was 1988 and only fit to fence a gap. It was a Lely and really stood us well

Reggie.

frazzledhome wrote: »

Yes, this will be no3. We change every 5 yrs even though the one I traded was in really good shape. Splashed out and bought a mower and Krone tedder as the last tedder was 1988 and only fit to fence a gap. It was a Lely and really stood us well

Oh new shiney metal

What price are on the krone tedders

I said

Rolled reseeded ground yesterday ready for silage

saranac1

Might be stupid question but does anyone add water into the roller for additional weight if needed

frazzledhome

Reggie. wrote: »

Oh new shiney metal

What price are on the krone tedders

Not sure Reggie tbh. I traded a mower against a mower and Tedder. I think 4 rotor was €7500 inc. Claas was €7000 but very light headstock and metal. Would've bought a 6 rotor except for an abundance of tools to drive them. Cow men and machines aren't good bedfellows

Sacrolyte

[Cow men and machines aren't good bedfellows[/quote]

Never a truer word spoken.

mahoney_j

frazzledhome wrote: »

Not sure Reggie tbh. I traded a mower against a mower and Tedder. I think 4 rotor was €7500 inc. Claas was €7000 but very light headstock and metal. Would've bought a 6 rotor except for an abundance of tools to drive them. Cow men and machines aren't good bedfellows

Bought me a new 4 rotor krone as well this week,put my 20 year old lely on dd and sold it within 20 minutes even though it needs a bit of work on rotors(bearings),like u frazz it served me well.i must have a word re price ,what I've been quoted is a lot higher than your price......Would of loved another 6 rotor but there crazy money and couldn't justify unless doing some contract work

stretch film

mahoney_j wrote: »

Bought me a new 4 rotor krone as well this week,put my 20 year old lely on dd and sold it within 20 minutes even though it needs a bit of work on rotors(bearings),like u frazz it served me well.i must have a word re price ,what I've been quoted is a lot higher than your price......Would of loved another 6 rotor but there crazy money and couldn't justify unless doing some contract work

Working width of 4 rotor. ?
Have a krone mower , seems to me to be well ahead of other options

Dawggone

frazzledhome wrote: »

Not sure Reggie tbh. I traded a mower against a mower and Tedder. I think 4 rotor was €7500 inc. Claas was €7000 but very light headstock and metal. Would've bought a 6 rotor except for an abundance of tools to drive them. Cow men and machines aren't good bedfellows

A good example of heavy metal addiction...

There is a large Kuhn factory close to me here that manufacture self propelled diet feeders amongst other things. I know a truck driver there and I met him with a 35cube self loading, self propelled, diet feeder on board. €195k...

Off up north to a "huge" 250 cow herd!!



Bet you are nursing a semi at the thought of a toy like that Frazz.

I said

A semi-d??????

ganmo

I said wrote: »

A semi-d??????

You'd buy one for that money!

Dawggone

I said wrote: »

A semi-d??????

Semi-solid !!

I said

Dawggone wrote: »

Semi-solid !!

A bit stalky

Reggie.

mahoney_j wrote: »

Bought me a new 4 rotor krone as well this week,put my 20 year old lely on dd and sold it within 20 minutes even though it needs a bit of work on rotors(bearings),like u frazz it served me well.i must have a word re price ,what I've been quoted is a lot higher than your price......Would of loved another 6 rotor but there crazy money and couldn't justify unless doing some contract work

Was wondering why ya didn't go for a 6 rotor

tomwaterford

frazzledhome wrote: »

Not sure Reggie tbh. I traded a mower against a mower and Tedder. I think 4 rotor was €7500 inc. Claas was €7000 but very light headstock and metal. Would've bought a 6 rotor except for an abundance of tools to drive them. Cow men and machines aren't good bedfellows

Afaik class tedders/rakes are meant to be the best in the market....so I'm lead to believe

frazzledhome

stretch film wrote:

Working width of 4 rotor. ?
Have a krone mower , seems to me to be well ahead of other options

A few available we went for one that'll take 2 ten foots. The entry one does a little less

Dawggone

6 rotor all the way.

Reggie.

Dawggone wrote: »

6 rotor all the way.

+1

Because I have one

dryan

I priced a 4 rotor krone from a krone dealer in birr earlier today. 7800 all in. There finance options look good. The haybob that I have is on its last legs so thinking strongly about upgrading.

pajero12

saranac1 wrote: »

Might be stupid question but does anyone add water into the roller for additional weight if needed

To be honest I would have thought it would be useless without the extra ballast?

mahoney_j

dryan wrote: »

I priced a 4 rotor krone from a krone dealer in birr earlier today. 7800 all in. There finance options look good. The haybob that I have is on its last legs so thinking strongly about upgrading.

Did u go for model with 6 tines per rotor or 7.i went for later

frazzledhome

mahoney_j wrote: »

Did u go for model with 6 tines per rotor or 7.i went for later

MJ that's news to me. I didn't even see the one we bought 😄

mahoney_j

frazzledhome wrote: »

MJ that's news to me. I didn't even see the one we bought 😄

Agh jaysus and u telling us u scrutinise every purchase,tut tut tut!!!!!!.frame for rotor a bit heavier and seemingly better job for turfing out lighter grass,I'll see how it goes field of Italian nearly ready for mower and shiny new Tedder

frazzledhome

mahoney_j wrote: »

Agh jaysus and u telling us u scrutinise every purchase,tut tut tut!!!!!!.frame for rotor a bit heavier and seemingly better job for turfing out lighter grass,I'll see how it goes field of Italian nearly ready for mower and shiny new Tedder

Must check that. I only saw my neighbours Krone didn't count times. I never go to look at yokes gives my ball rot. Last tractor and my jeep bought sight unseen. I'm only interested in cost per mth.

Reggie.

mahoney_j wrote: »

Agh jaysus and u telling us u scrutinise every purchase,tut tut tut!!!!!!.frame for rotor a bit heavier and seemingly better job for turfing out lighter grass,I'll see how it goes field of Italian nearly ready for mower and shiny new Tedder

All ya want is the weather