Wikileaks: Children under care of Irish government ended up in brothels.

Biggins

Something just popped up in my email - notification of the following.
Make of this what you will.
As much as I'm not a fan of our latest lot - I can't see FG/Labour getting the blame correctly for this:

Wikileaks: Children under care of Irish government ended up in brothels.

US embassy cables, revealed via Wikileaks, show that children who have gone missing from Irish state care over the last three years have ended up working as sex slaves in brothels. During a private briefing with diplomats from the American Embassy, in Dublin, the Health Service Executive (HSE) made this shocking admission.

The cables showed that foreign-born children, who were under the care of the HSE, went missing and ended up in the sex-trade as far back as 2008. The HSE made these admissions while US diplomats were conducting research for an annual report into people trafficking in Ireland.

The HSE told diplomats that some foreign children had been retraced to brothels, restaurants and private households where they were being used as slaves. According to reports in the Irish Independent, the children were found in various towns throughout Ireland.

Read more: http://www.irishcentral.com/news/Wikileaks-Children-under-care-of-Irish-government-ended-up-in-brothels-123154328.html#ixzz28SgSdYoe

I think its down to past policies and/or practises in the past by previous state agencies.
I'm quite open to be wrong and educated further.

eth0

Joe, Joe, Joe, Listen to me Joe, Its terrible, apso lewtly terrible, I'm telling you Joe! The Children of this country...

Casillas

eth0 wrote: »

Joe, Joe, Joe, Listen to me Joe, Its terrible, apso lewtly terrible, I'm telling you Joe! The Children of this country...

It actually is terrible if they were being abused, when the State was supposed to care for them.

eth0

Casillas wrote: »

It actually is terrible if they were being abused, when the State was supposed to care for them.

Yep, which is why I'm more outraged than I usually would be

Pottler

Thinly veiled " The HSE are crap and incompetent" thread. Considering we're in Ireland, the home base of paedo priests, magdalene laundries and child-welfare catastrophies, just how surprising is this, really? I learn't somthing else today, by accident. Our good Govt, carers of our welfare, use Aluminium Sulphate to clarify our drinking water. As in the stuff that pretty much causes Altzheimers. They use it by the thousands of tonnes. So, if they add sh1te to our water that drives us mad, what exactly causes you to think they might actually care for children in need Biggins? Seriously???

Dartz

Jun 4 2011.

Old news is old.

Biggins

Pottler wrote: »

...what exactly causes you to think they might actually care for children in need Biggins? Seriously???

I think personally that the staff which at a personal level with these troubled kids, are in a tough situation.
I'm taking it for granted that they are not all cold-hearted mindless automatons.
They are piggy in the middle between department heads and spreadsheets, and at the basic level, having to deal with a lot of personal individual issues with every kid.

For the record, I don't think the HSE is crap - it might need sorting in areas but a lot if not most are trying their best in a tough situation.
I've no reason to believe different over-all.

token101

I'd say there's a lot more to the story than what's there. They went missing? As in they ran away? How exactly is the HSE supposed to stop that really other than locking kids up? I'd very much doubt that there were HSE staff dropping them to the door of whorehouses to be honest. Sounds like more outrage for the sake of outrage.

Pottler wrote: »

Thinly veiled " The HSE are crap and incompetent" thread. Considering we're in Ireland, the home base of paedo priests, magdalene laundries and child-welfare catastrophies, just how surprising is this, really? I learn't somthing else today, by accident. Our good Govt, carers of our welfare, use Aluminium Sulphate to clarify our drinking water. As in the stuff that pretty much causes Altzheimers. They use it by the thousands of tonnes. So, if they add sh1te to our water that drives us mad, what exactly causes you to think they might actually care for children in need Biggins? Seriously???

You might want to report your findings there, last I heard they hadn't found a cause for 95% of Alzeimhers cases.

Pottler

token101 wrote: »

You might want to report your findings there, last I heard they hadn't found a cause for 95% of Alzeimhers cases.

It's aluminium, long known old son, has been blamed on aluminium cooking utensils for a long while. When I initially questioned the use of this chemical, I suddenly ran into a rehearsed spiel that made me severly suspicious - this is Ireland, no-one has a rehearsed spiel for anything, but they had one for this. BTW, I am reporting it, to you and anyone reading this.:) This has bugged the sh1te out of me all day, it's a bit like finding out your neighbour was p1ssing in your attic tank.

Millicent

At one point in our history (not very long ago either), it was HSE practice to put asylum seeking minors in hostels. On their own. Without any supervision. Wrap your heads around that one and then look at how many children went missing from state care in those years.

token101

Pottler wrote: »

It's aluminium, long known old son, has been blamed on aluminium cooking utensils for a long while. When I initially questioned the use of this chemical, I suddenly ran into a rehearsed spiel that made me severly suspicious - this is Ireland, no-one has a rehearsed spiel for anything, but they had one for this. BTW, I am reporting it, to you and anyone reading this.:) This has bugged the sh1te out of me all day, it's a bit like finding out your neighbour was p1ssing in your attic tank.

Jesus. He's also been pissing into most synthetic foods, and plenty of other things as well. Maybe you're right, it would explain why the tin foil hat brigade are so damaged.

Pottler

Millicent wrote: »

At one point in our history (not very long ago either), it was HSE practice to put asylum seeking minors in hostels. On their own. Without any supervision. Wrap your heads around that one and then look at how many children went missing from state care in those years.

Where they were expected to vacate the premises from 9am to 5pm - ie walk the street. Sure what could go wrong with that??:mad: Jasus.

Millicent

Pottler wrote: »

Where they were expected to vacate the premises from 9am to 5pm - ie walk the street. Sure what could go wrong with that??:mad: Jasus.

They were left on their own overnight with no adult supervision. Went missing in their droves and it didn't occur to anyone that it might be a bad idea to leave vulnerable children under the age of 18 in a hostel in a foreign country unattended.

Giselle

Millicent wrote: »

They were left on their own overnight with no adult supervision. Went missing in their droves and it didn't occur to anyone that it might be a bad idea to leave vulnerable children under the age of 18 in a hostel in a foreign country unattended.

And at the same time you'll find many people insisting that there are no trafficked or coerced persons working in the Irish sex trade, or that the numbers are so low as to be almost negligible.

Chuck Stone

I doubt this is unique to Ireland. What we need here is a comparison to other jurisdictions to see if we're worse or even better at protecting children.

Failing a cross-nation tabulation of the numbers the wikileaks cable is effectively meaningless chatter*.




*I'm not trying to downplay the heinous crime of using children as sex slaves - the people who do this should be tortured face long prison sentences.

Dwellingdweller

Giselle wrote: »

And at the same time you'll find many people insisting that there are no trafficked or coerced persons working in the Irish sex trade, or that the numbers are so low as to be almost negligible.

Evidently they are "almost negligible" if no one really gives a shíte. Everyone can pretend like they care so much if they want to, but the majority of people, honestly, don't care. I'm not saying that's good, it's just the truth.

Chuck Stone

Giselle wrote: »

And at the same time you'll find many people insisting that there are no trafficked or coerced persons working in the Irish sex trade, or that the numbers are so low as to be almost negligible.

No you won't.

What you will find is loads of people who will conflate prostitution with sex slavery.

Varied

Pottler wrote: »

Where they were expected to vacate the premises from 9am to 5pm - ie walk the street. Sure what could go wrong with that??:mad: Jasus.

You aren't funny. Give up already.

My name is URL

It's not really surprising that kids in state care are more likely to end up living in those circumstances tbh. I'd be shocked if the leak was that no kids in state care end up employed in vice industries.

Toshchiy Imperatritsy Vselennoy

token101 wrote: »

I'd say there's a lot more to the story than what's there. They went missing? As in they ran away? How exactly is the HSE supposed to stop that really other than locking kids up? I'd very much doubt that there were HSE staff dropping them to the door of whorehouses to be honest. Sounds like more outrage for the sake of outrage.



You might want to report your findings there, last I heard they hadn't found a cause for 95% of Alzeimhers cases.

Children do not run away to brothels they are taken.

And consider this question. How many child brothels are in this country? And don't conflate adult prostitution with child brothels. The two rarely go together. That is a very dangerous niche that only a few will dare and there is only a psyhotic particular customer. Abduction is not uncommon.

And these crimminals are clever they know where to find minors.

If it was th church doing it there would be uproar. But because it is the people we have to give tax to pay their wages no one will stand up just incase there is a bill.

Plus we do not value the lives of foreign children....well we don't value the lifes of Irish children ..but anyway.

Our nation should be ashamed..AGAIN!

Wee Willy Harris

wouldn't surprise me.

with the levels of corporal punishment back then, it may have been the case kids had to just lump being in the care of what were clearly dodgy bleeders

Capt'n Midnight

Has anyone who used a brothel where these children were been convicted of statutory rape ?

This has nothing to do with wikileaks - this was public knowledge back in 2006 it was on national radio and national newspaper.

When I posted this back in 2006, 250 children had gone missing https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=71526436 The number unaccounted for is now over 440. :mad:

http://www.integrationcentre.ie/Media/E-News-2012/Sep-2012-E-News.aspx

CEO of The Integration Centre Killian Forde appears on Ireland AM
Author Emma Jane Dempsey has recently written a book entitled ‘In a holding house’ to highlight the plight of Ireland’s missing children. 440 children have gone missing from state care and remain unaccounted for since 2000. An Oireachtas Committee hearing in March were told by the Gardai that these are largely migrant children, who reunite with their families once they arrive in Ireland, while others simply pose as minors to gain entry to the country. However, TIC CEO, Killian Forde, who joined the author for an interview on Ireland AM last month said, ‘We simply don’t know; we can’t be sure. Authorities state with a wink and a nod, “we’re confident that nothing malign has happened to them.” That’s not good enough!

Glenn_Flinn

This is meant to be a bad thing?

Brothel workers (female prostitutes) rake up in this country. €200 an hour. Well over 20 times minimum wage ffs.

Halloran springs

Now jokes and light hearted humour about innocent children being sold into the sex trade, boards.ie is becoming gutter media

Edit I'm referring mostly to ethos post with all the thanks

Giselle

Glenn_Flinn wrote: »

This is meant to be a bad thing?

Brothel workers (female prostitutes) rake up in this country. €200 an hour. Well over 20 times minimum wage ffs.

Yes, the country is crawling with rich, carefree, Bentley-driving prostitutes who love servicing any old sleaze who forks over the money, and they never have pimps or madams to relieve them of the lions share, never face violence, and never risk their health. They don't know how lucky they are, do they?

Those women pay a price for the work they do, to pimps, to madams, to their heath, and in the stigma. You can also talk about choice all you like, but its usually a career decision made out of greatly reduced opportunities to make other choices.

The senario you outline is highly simplistic, and highly unlikely to be the norm.

And the subject here is abused kids. That will ALWAYS be a bad thing.

Glenn_Flinn

Giselle wrote: »

And the subject here is abused kids. That will ALWAYS be a bad thing.

Not if you're a priest with a little one who's willing to keep a secret.

Millicent

Glenn_Flinn wrote: »

Not if you're a priest with a little one who's willing to keep a secret.

If you're not trolling, I'd recommend you take a good long look at your views on life. You have some disturbing world views.

Glenn_Flinn

Millicent wrote: »

If you're not trolling, I'd recommend you take a good long look at your views on life. You have some disturbing world views.

I'd recommend you take a good look at your sense of humor or lack thereof. You view the world disturbingly seriously.

WoollyRedHat

Those responsible should be trialed for incompetence and negilence. And why should we have to compare how we fare in our treatment of children to other countries? They had a responsbility and they reneged on it, it's unacceptable. What does it matter if France or whoever has a worse record than us. We let vunerable children suffer through mismanagement. That's the end issue. A human life is a human life.

ETA: When will the HSE be reformed? No one is accountable in this country, and the consesus of apathy is disheartening at best.

Glenn_Flinn

WoollyRedHat wrote: »

Those responsible should be trialed for incompetence and negilence. And why should we have to compare how we fare in our treatment of children to other countries? They had a responsbility and they reneged on it, it's unacceptable. What does it matter if France or whoever has a worse record than us. We let vunerable children suffer through mismanagement. That's the end issue. A human life is a human life.

ETA: When will the HSE be reformed? No one is accountable in this country, and the consesus of apathy is disheartening at best.

Many children under care of the Irish government are unjustly snatched from their parents in the first place. That's an issue that needs to be sorted out before looking at the competence of the care givers.

WoollyRedHat

Glenn_Flinn wrote: »

Many children under care of the Irish government are unjustly snatched from their parents in the first place. That's an issue that needs to be sorted out before looking at the competence of the care givers.

They're all complicit either way.

Pottler

Varied wrote: »

You aren't funny. Give up already.

Are you deliberatly being dumb there? I was stating that the HSE lodges/lodged minors into B&Bs that don't allow the "lodgers" stay on the premises so they are turfed out to walk the streets all day, and get preyed on by the scum. Who the feck was being funny??????

Nettle

Many children under care of the Irish government are unjustly snatched from their parents in the first place. That's an issue that needs to be sorted out before looking at the competence of the care givers.[/Quote]

Please tell me you are joking when you say this?

Madam_X

Glenn_Flinn wrote: »

I'd recommend you take a good look at your sense of humor or lack thereof. You view the world disturbingly seriously.

Says the guy who believes the Jews are running the world.
Hard to see any humour in anything you'd write, in fairness.

token101

Toshchiy Imperatritsy Vselennoy wrote: »

Children do not run away to brothels they are taken.

And consider this question. How many child brothels are in this country? And don't conflate adult prostitution with child brothels. The two rarely go together. That is a very dangerous niche that only a few will dare and there is only a psyhotic particular customer. Abduction is not uncommon.

And these crimminals are clever they know where to find minors.

If it was th church doing it there would be uproar. But because it is the people we have to give tax to pay their wages no one will stand up just incase there is a bill.

Plus we do not value the lives of foreign children....well we don't value the lifes of Irish children ..but anyway.

Our nation should be ashamed..AGAIN!

I would doubt that many of these are abductions to be honest. I would guess that many are runaways that just run into some bad, bad people and get seriously exploited. But to suggest that foreign children are just being snatched off the street as the HSE do nothing is a bit ridiculous. The reality is foster kids run away a lot. If kids are running away, there's not a whole lot any foster parent, social worker or HSE staff member can do other than lock them up, and that's hardly an alternative.

Millicent

token101 wrote: »

I would doubt that many of these are abductions to be honest. I would guess that many are runaways that just run into some bad, bad people and get seriously exploited. But to suggest that foreign children are just being snatched off the street as the HSE do nothing is a bit ridiculous. The reality is foster kids run away a lot. If kids are running away, there's not a whole lot any foster parent, social worker or HSE staff member can do other than lock them up, and that's hardly an alternative.

Leaving them in hostels doesn't exactly help. It's been suggested that the country has acted as a drop-off point for trafficked kids in the past. The HSE was even unhappy about this situation but was lacking in resources. The kids that went missing weren't often foster kids. They were more likely to be asylum seeking.

end of the road

Glenn_Flinn wrote: »

I'd recommend you take a good look at your sense of humor or lack thereof. You view the world disturbingly seriously.

look, children being abused is never funny, end of.