Xk Jag - tempting

mickdw

Is it just me or are these quite tempting at this kind of price?
My mileage is down significantly from when I last bought. Im down to under 10k miles per year now and lots of bigger engines are now in my sights.

http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/Jaguar/Xk/4.2-COUPE/30213482392608860/

Pottler

Tempting indeed. Chat a mechanic, be untempted. Lovely looking cars though, but the adage of "if you can't afford it new, you definitly can't afford it second-hand" really, really applies here.

MuppetCheck

Wow that looks mint for the mileage. Always a deeply impressive looking car, I'd say go for it if you're happy with the figures!

Voodoomelon

Pottler wrote: »

"if you can't afford it new, you definitly can't afford it second-hand" really, really applies here.

Come again?

deandean

What a cracker of a car mickdw. I have always admired that model; and it's predecessor, it just looks 'right'.

You'll get a great car for the money (price of a new Focus?), dare I mention the D-word (depreciation) as long as that doesn't rile you, go for it.

Take it for a test drive in the first instance.

Pottler

Voodoomelon wrote: »

Come again?

As in the parts are very expensive, frequently needed and complex. Stuff you'd never need to buy when it's new/nearly new starts being needed and being an expensive car, it all gets expensive very quickly. Have a goo at a few XK buying guides (I love the look of them btw) and as you read down, suddenly the list of common and hugely dear faults suddenly gets a bit depressing and it goes on the "look but don't touch" list.

BenEadir

It looks really good and seriously tempting but before making an impulsive buy make sure you figure out what major servicing is required over the next 50,000 KM (assuming you hold onto it for 5 years at 10,000 km per year) and then add in annual running costs of tax (must be pretty hefty), insurance, petrol (heavy on juice) and tyres which I'm guessing it will be fairly hard on and they will be expensive. You ain't gonna put a set of cheap Chinese tryres on this baby

Man I hate being an Accountant, it can really get in the way of just going for it

Ben

colm_mcm

Wow, that looks awesome for the money

Pottler

Twin Cats, €1600. Main Dealer front discs €400 each... Front wing €900.. Possibility of nikasil not done.... timing chain issues dear electrical problems with the auto gearboxes... €300 for a door latch.. €800 for a window reg.. Its a complex car and has complex bits, so not exactly a cheap buy, no matter the purchase price.

Ones of the vintage of the car in the OP are Nikasil issue free me thinks. Cats can no doubt be gotten spurious. You could run one handy enough if the mpg and tax didn't bother you.

keithclancy

Pottler wrote: »

Twin Cats, €1600. Main Dealer front discs €400 each... Front wing €900.. Possibility of nikasil not done.... timing chain issues dear electrical problems with the auto gearboxes... €300 for a door latch.. €800 for a window reg.. Its a complex car and has complex bits, so not exactly a cheap buy, no matter the purchase price.

Twin Cats .. they don't go that often

Front Discs:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/FRONT-Ferodo-Brake-Discs-Jaguar-XK-4-2-XKR-2006-2012-/330764657898?forcev4exp=true&forceRpt=true

120 Quid Sterling. (Cheaper than the Discs on my Volvo)

Floating discs too .. so its pretty much a doddle to swap over.

What the fock is going to happen to the front wing.


Gahh .. i'm going to stop there .. long story short .. if you go to a main dealer you will get raped, but i think everyone knows this already

Pottler

RoverJames wrote: »

Ones of the vintage of the car in the OP are Nikasil issue free me thinks. Cats can no doubt be gotten spurious. You could run one handy enough if the mpg and tax didn't bother you.

I don't think it's possible with a Jag, RoverJ, not being a downer, they are just a very dear car to own after 3 years, they tend to become driveway ornaments.. and front wings get dents btw. Beautiful car, if you've budgeted for running it and maintaining it I couldn't see a nicer car to buy looks wise, but just go in eyes wide open.

keithclancy

Pottler wrote: »

I don't think it's possible with a Jag, RoverJ, not being a downer, they are just a very dear car to own after 3 years, they tend to become driveway ornaments.. and front wings get dents btw. Beautiful car, if you've budgeted for running it and maintaining it I couldn't see a nicer car to buy looks wise, but just go in eyes wide open.

I've had my car for 3 years .. there are no dents on the front wings.

Do these Jaguar wings self dent or something

Cat at the end of a day is in a tube in a metal pipe .. of course it can be gotten spurious.

Pottler

keithclancy wrote: »

I've had my car for 3 years .. there are no dents on the front wings.

Do these Jaguar wings self dent or something

Cat at the end of a day is in a tube in a metal pipe .. of course it can be gotten spurious.

Nah, just if you crash it you've to fix it. That tends to need parts, but sure you know that anyway. You looking to buy one? Or just have a row? BTW the exhaust is stainless from the factory and not renowned as long lasting despite that - replacement is a custom job as the Jag one is a mortgage. Owners reviews all tend to say the same, stunning but unreliable and pricey. Jasus, just buy it so keith.

unkel

The naysayers were against me too when I was thinking of buying a car that once cost €130k new

Mine was way older and cheaper and with a much higher mileage and did I suffer any of the expensive things they said? Nope, none.

All I can say is: buy with a bit of sense then smile and enjoy

Especially when you are in traffic beside an equally shiny '12 Hyundai i40 sportswagon that cost more

Pottler

Pottler wrote: »

I don't think it's possible with a Jag, RoverJ.........

I can defo see where you're coming from

Pottler

unkel wrote: »

The naysayers were against me too when I was thinking of buying a car that once cost €130k new

Mine was way older and cheaper and with a much higher mileage and did I suffer any of the expensive things they said? Nope, none.

All I can say is: buy with a bit of sense then smile and enjoy

Especially when you are in traffic beside an equally shiny '12 Hyundai i40 sportswagon that cost more

I'm not naysaying Unkel, I'm just pointing out that if the price is anything of a stretch, just budget for repairs. If the price is no bother, fire ahead and wear well an absolutely beautiful car that looks to me nicer than any econobox on the road. Given a budget of 23k to spend on this or a Focus, I'd be rolling in an XK, but I'd also be aware of what a fix might cost, worse case etc.

unkel

Pottler wrote: »

I'm not naysaying Unkel

I'm glad

Pottler wrote: »

I'm just pointing out that if the price is anything of a stretch, just budget for repairs.

What I'm saying though is that none of the expensive repairs people mention, are likely to ever happen. And of course anyone buying a high end older second hand €20k car will not struggle to fuel it or worry about the next motor tax bill coming up. Of course you can not run a XK on the same budget as a second hand 10 year old 1.0l Micra

From my own experience, it is quite possible though to run a high end car for similar total cost of ownership as say a nearly new Corolla

rebel.ranter

If it got damaged then surely that's what you pay fully comprehensive insurance for?
Of course these cars are more expensive to run than your average Ford Focus/Mondeo but if you're savvy you can get some great fun for a fraction of the price of something like this. It helps if you can tackle some of the jobs yourself, sourcing spurious parts where sensible can make it a real prospect.
as for Motor tax the most it is at the minute is ~€1,600 for. Pre-2008 car, it doesn't get any higher than that until you het to a 2008 car. Big tyees these days can be fitted to Mondeos these days, some come with 18' wheels so the step up might not be as mich as you think. I love hearing these stories of "look but don't touch" scare mongering people away from nice second hand cars, more (& cheaper deals) for me!
If you're currently running a Micra without proper maintenance (& the ability to some of it yourself) or care then yes buying something like this is not for you. But this is the Motors forum, in theory there should be some concentration of enthusiasts that do fit the bracket of being a potential owner of this beast. The world would be a dull place if we were all the type that wet ourselves with excitement when the new Octavia Diesel comes out.
OP scratch that itch & buy it!

MuppetCheck

I agree. For work reasons I drive a mid-sized diesel and 4 tyres aren't far off 800. I can't see the jag being a wallet breaker in that department! 18s on a 140 brake car are for aesthetic reasons only. I'd imagine if you went the route of decent part worns it would outlast mine and be cheaper even if you bought two sets.

Swampy

You would be a fool not to!! Go for it. I would in a heartbeat if I could/had the money.

Voodoomelon

Pottler wrote: »

As in the parts are very expensive, frequently needed and complex. Stuff you'd never need to buy when it's new/nearly new starts being needed and being an expensive car, it all gets expensive very quickly. Have a goo at a few XK buying guides (I love the look of them btw) and as you read down, suddenly the list of common and hugely dear faults suddenly gets a bit depressing and it goes on the "look but don't touch" list.

Pottler wrote: »

Twin Cats, €1600. Main Dealer front discs €400 each... Front wing €900.. Possibility of nikasil not done.... timing chain issues dear electrical problems with the auto gearboxes... €300 for a door latch.. €800 for a window reg.. Its a complex car and has complex bits, so not exactly a cheap buy, no matter the purchase price.

Pottler wrote: »

I don't think it's possible with a Jag, RoverJ, not being a downer, they are just a very dear car to own after 3 years, they tend to become driveway ornaments.. and front wings get dents btw. Beautiful car, if you've budgeted for running it and maintaining it I couldn't see a nicer car to buy looks wise, but just go in eyes wide open.

Just a bit baffled by why you're so intent on stating the obvious. It's a €100k car new, second hand buyers are aware of this, as are all the owners on here that own cars that were once in the same price bracket, but are two or three times older than this XK.

If you were to read every bad report you saw on a forum, you'd never buy anything.

Fact is the XKs represent unbelievable value for money, and the quality of modern Jaguars is fine. Budget for it like any other car of the same status and you'll be set.

Stheno

It's a gorgeous looking car, I passed one in Swords last week

mickdw

Jesus, bigger response to this than I expected. Im coming to this after having spent over €50k on an audi in 08. The depreciation wont be a patch on that tbh.
Of course main dealer parts and servicing would be mad money but one would hope that you would only occasionally get snookered into going to the main dealer.
Tax would be 1700 approx I guess which is big money.
Fuel at low mileage wouldnt be mad.
There are a few for reasonable money there and they do not seem to be moving at all so no demand for them I guess given the nice, large petrol engine.
I feel you would be married to it though - not a good thing if it did turn out to be a nightmare with complex faults etc.

MuppetCheck

I'd imagine the cost to change would be small coming from a 2008 Audi too!

unkel

mickdw wrote: »

Of course main dealer parts and servicing would be mad money but one would hope that you would only occasionally get snookered into going to the main dealer.

Most important trick here is to find and cherish an excellent independent specialist before you buy (who will check out the car before purchase and) who will service your car. I can't think of any reason why you would ever need to go into a main dealer.

.... Doing the basics yourself would be an idea as rebelranter mentioned, oil change is an oil change etc etc.

mickdw

RoverJames wrote: »

.... Doing the basics yourself would be an idea as rebelranter mentioned, oil change is an oil change etc etc.

Absolutely. Even with my own car, Genuine front discs and pads cost me €140 fitting myself. Main dealer would be nearer €400 fitted I think.
Ive done pretty much everything out of warranty on this car myself.

Marcusm

mickdw wrote: »

Jesus, bigger response to this than I expected. Im coming to this after having spent over €50k on an audi in 08. The depreciation wont be a patch on that tbh.
Of course main dealer parts and servicing would be mad money but one would hope that you would only occasionally get snookered into going to the main dealer.
Tax would be 1700 approx I guess which is big money.
Fuel at low mileage wouldnt be mad.
There are a few for reasonable money there and they do not seem to be moving at all so no demand for them I guess given the nice, large petrol engine.
I feel you would be married to it though - not a good thing if it did turn out to be a nightmare with complex faults etc.

The smiles per euro on the Jag will be much higher than they have been on a 50k audi, I think you should go for it.

thecomedian

It looks lovely, just go for it!

mickdw

Im only thinking out loud at this stage but as I say - tempting

Voodoomelon

Its in my list of five replacement possibilities.

Scortho

Ive fallen in love with the old xk8.
Being 20 and still in college though has its limitations however!:(
And the fact that I want to own at least one alfa before I have a Jag (think Id find it hard to go from a jag to an alfa)


But OP if you can afford to run one then go for it. They are a gorgeous car and unreal to drive. And if you look at the tax the way I do on one of these yokes, its the same as smoking 10 cigs a day!

mickdw

Yep, I don't smoke and what I spend on drink is not worth counting.

-Corkie-

mickdw wrote: »

Yep, I don't smoke and what I spend on drink is not worth counting.

Mick go way and buy it and then enjoy it. One more thing fcuk the begrudgers..

I LMFAO at the self harming wings...:-D:-D:-D:-D

Tommyboy40

I'd say go for it. After 4 years I get as much pleasure fron the SL as I did when I bought it. Of course servicing is more expensive but not outrageous. My last service was €1320, for that I got front discs and pads, alternator, v belt, fully synthetic 0w30 oil, airbag fault traced, air filter etc and all genuine parts. A good specialist is a must and I think it pays to have them serviced every 6000 miles. A set of continental tyres, 275/35/18 rear and 245/40/18 front costs €900 delivered from camskill. Everyone should own a V8 in their life

galwaytt

mickdw wrote: »

Is it just me or are these quite tempting at this kind of price?
My mileage is down significantly from when I last bought. Im down to under 10k miles per year now and lots of bigger engines are now in my sights. http://www.driving.ie/used-cars/Jaguar/Xk/4.2-COUPE/30213482392608860/

When I saw this title, I thought this was the older model......but this is the newer one: wow.

I say go for it. A work colleague of mine just went from an 09 A6 2.0tdi to a 99 XK8 and is way, way ahead, money-wise. Bought it for 4.5k. The engine in that one could calf tomorrow, and it'd still be worth fixing.

Mick, as for being married to it, a car like that, well kept, would still have a market in the UK. Thats where my 968's went.

Bloody fabulous car for the money, that XK....

Scortho

mickdw wrote: »

Yep, I don't smoke and what I spend on drink is not worth counting.

Ah definitely then! And when you go overtake some chap in a boring new skoda (couldn't resist!) you can have great fun knowing that yours was cheaper:D

166man

You must be crazy going for a big V8 these days with it's big tax and enormous petrol bills!?!?! Why not go for an '09 Skoda Fabia Greenline TDI. Low tax and is a miser on diesel...:pac::pac::pac:

I joke obviously, it's simply an amazing amount of car for the money. Not massively powerful 300bhp AFAIK but still a beautiful machine in so many ways and as others have said there would be a market for it in the UK.

I'd have a sit down and crunch the numbers and go from there. Be realistic..:)

SniperSight

Go for it, so that we might alp be blessed to see and hear it on the road!!!:-D
Have loved that style Jag since seeing it in GT guise at Le Mans a few years ago.

V Eight

This Jag even when new was never a senisble buy - sensible has nothing to do with it; It's a purchase made with the heart not the head........

fortyplus

Hello all
Like the OP, I am considering a 2006 XK. For me this is the proverbial mid-life crisis car, and looking at the prices, it's interesting to see that 2006 XK is cheaper Ireland than UK! As low as mid 20's Euro, around 20K sterling for a pristine 2006 with 30k miles ( + ~8k VRT) making a total cost of 30k landed.

Unbelievable value for money for what you are getting. I looked at DB9 but these all appeared a bit fragile: lovely to look at and a beautiful noise but it is probably a step too for

1) Any suggestions for a decent independent Jaguar service point in Dublin?
2) Any thoughts on something like this
Or this
3) Did the OP purchase?

goochy

Yomac cars in glasnevin always have the older. Xk models in stk they are service specialist so might be good option

franksm

+1 on Yomac

The XK is great, and with a bit of man-maths, running a V8 car can be less expensive than running a newer small-engine car.

exador

Jaguar mechanic in Walkinstown area.. If you want the number PM me as I have it somewhere..

mickdw

fortyplus wrote: »

3) Did the OP purchase?

No I didn't. Very interesting prospect though the xk.
My current car is nearing 5 years old and after having it since new, it's certainly time for a change.
The question now...... do I go reasonably new fuel efficient low tax warrantied something like an A6 or E class that will kill me on depreciation.
Or
Go for something that's a bit older and a bit mad that will kill me with day to day running costs and alittle depreciation.
The sensible thing would be to sit tight of course.