question from rte firefighters

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just watching last weeks show there. there was a bogus call on gardiner street with someone pulling the "break glass" button and calling into 999 to say people trapped and that they can see flames.

so dfb dispatch a number of units. they point out this is a waste of dfb time and puts other lives at risk as they are now further from other calls in the district etc. i accept this.

they confirmed it was a hoax call and a number of units left the scene. the gardai were contacted to report this and to view cctv.

what i dont get is why a dfb engine needed to hang around waiting for the gardai along with the district officier? the d.o. has his own vehicle and surely does not need the support of the fire engine to speak to a garda?

taking this at face value it seems like they just kept a fire engine there for no good reason?

what have i missed here? thanks

Resceu247

The fact that both the D/O and the S/O's appliance remained at the scene to co-ordinate efforts with the Gardai does not mean they are not availible for another Callout, that appliance was from Tara St, HQ and Gardner Street is within their district hence they would be classed as "MAV" or Mobile And Availible, the appliance will always have the driver manning the radio and the District Officer is on both a pager and mobile phone, if at any stage while they where there another call came in they would respond, and continue with the Gardai at a later stage.

Hope this answers your question

wicklaman83

Hope you dont mind me hijacking this thread op but as the other thread is about over kill i'll put my question in this one.

In the apartment block fire when the lads put the doors in with the sledge who would be responsible for paying for repairs.
Would it be the person whose apartment went on fire, the individual property owner,the management company,dfb or would it be covered by an insurance.

Resceu247

wicklaman83, more than often it comes down to either the insurance company or a management company, its up to them to decide if they want to persue the individual whose house went on fire or the property owner themselfs, at the end of the day thats why you pay for insurance to cover these eventualities. It wouldnt however go back to the DFB, under the Fire Services Act they have the right to enter any premises if they deem it nessesary in the course of their duties be it Fire, Rescue, Ambulance or any breaches of that act

Does that make any sense to yea ?

apc

Resceu247 wrote: »

The fact that both the D/O and the S/O's appliance remained at the scene to co-ordinate efforts with the Gardai does not mean they are not availible for another Callout, that appliance was from Tara St, HQ and Gardner Street is within their district hence they would be classed as "MAV" or Mobile And Availible, the appliance will always have the driver manning the radio and the District Officer is on both a pager and mobile phone, if at any stage while they where there another call came in they would respond, and continue with the Gardai at a later stage.

Hope this answers your question

Also from the point of view of the Programme. The D/Os car is the car that carries the camera crew and that is why D/Os are attending so many calls on the programme.

seamus

wicklaman83 wrote: »

In the apartment block fire when the lads put the doors in with the sledge who would be responsible for paying for repairs.
Would it be the person whose apartment went on fire, the individual property owner,the management company,dfb or would it be covered by an insurance.

The front doors of the apartments would be covered by the block insurance policy taken out by the management company.

The individual apartments generally wouldn't have their own fire insurance, it would all be covered by the block policy, however renters/owners would still need contents insurance to cover the non-structural elements inside their apartment.

civdef

Section 28 Fire Services Act 1981-2003

28.—(1) The person in control at a fire or other emergency may, either personally or by a member of a fire brigade present at the incident or by a member of the Garda Síochána, or by such other person as he authorises, do (if necessary, by force) all such things as are, in his opinion, necessary or expedient for the purpose of extinguishing the fire or for protecting or rescuing persons or property and, in particular, may—

(a) enter any land or building in which there is reason to believe fire has broken out or the emergency exists or any other land or building;

(b) cause any land or building to be vacated by the occupants;

(c) pull down or demolish any building or part of a building;

(d) use any water supply, whether public or private;

(e) take water from any watercourse, lake, pond or other source, whether natural or artificial;

(f) remove anything from the vicinity of the fire or other emergency.

(2) (a) The person in control at a fire or other emergency may require that any available water supply be controlled from the main pipes in any way that he directs in order to give a greater supply and pressure of water.

(b) He may, if he considers it necessary for the protection of other property, cause water or other extinguishing agent to be directed against that property.

(c) No action shall lie against a fire authority, the person in control at the fire or other emergency or any person acting under his powers under this subsection.

(3) Any person who wilfully obstructs or impedes the exercise by the person in control at a fire or other emergency or by any person under his authority or by any member of the Garda Síochána of the powers conferred on that person or member by this section shall be guilty of an offence.

(4) Where damage to any property is caused by the exercise of a power conferred by this section, the damage shall, for all purposes and in particular for the purpose of any contract of insurance, be deemed to have been caused by the fire or emergency.

(5) Any clause or condition inserted in a contract of insurance purporting to exclude or having the effect of excluding the risk of damage caused by the exercise of a power conferred by this section shall be void where the risk of damage caused directly by the fire or emergency in relation to which the power is exercised would be covered by the contract.