Roundabouts (Again!!)

Rainbow Kitty

Can i just say to the woman driving the 07 Suzuki Jimmy who nearly side swiped me coming off the roundabout this morning 'you were in the wrong lane'. Do you know the rules of the road at all?????

First exit and straight through the roundabout you approach in the left lane, third and subsequent exits approaches in the right lane.

So thanks for nearly hitting me.

Oh and another thing i'm reporting you for dangerous driving.

I'm so annoyed over this, when i was learning to drive it was drilled into me what lane to use. Some people just don't care what they do on the roads!

flickarius

Same thing happened me many times. It's sickening the lack of knowledge or care taken on roundabouts.

WeirdKen

Expect the unexpected applies on roundabouts more than anywhere.

Just assume that -

You will be cut across
They wont indicate
They are indicating incorrectly
They are in the wrong lane
Etc, etc...

You will rarely be wrong.

The Suzuki probably didn't even see you...

paulmclaughlin

Rainbow Kitty wrote: »

Can i just say to the woman driving the 07 Suzuki Jimmy who nearly side swiped me coming off the roundabout this morning 'you were in the wrong lane'. Do you know the rules of the road at all?????

First exit and straight through the roundabout you approach in the left lane, third and subsequent exits approaches in the right lane.

So thanks for nearly hitting me.

Oh and another thing i'm reporting you for dangerous driving.

I'm so annoyed over this, when i was learning to drive it was drilled into me what lane to use. Some people just don't care what they do on the roads!

She probably doesn't post here. And also, not every roundabout is the same. At a roundabout in my town, first exit is the left lane. Straight through and 3rd exit are the right lane. Are you sure you read the road markings correctly?

Rainbow Kitty

paulmclaughlin wrote: »

She probably doesn't post here. And also, not every roundabout is the same. At a roundabout in my town, first exit is the left lane. Straight through and 3rd exit are the right lane. Are you sure you read the road markings correctly?

Whether she posts here or not is irrelevant, i was venting which is allowed (no?).

This roundabout is the one before the turn into the Baldoyle industrial estate, i was coming from clarehall heading for the ind est, anybody going right to Donaghmede stayed in the right lane, anyone turning left or going straight uses the left lane so i know she was wrong. (She was in the right lane)

Weirdken: she saw me alright, although she didn't look at me but she definitely heard me.

We had stopped for the traffic light after the roundabout and she came off the roundabout on my outside and kept inching forward even though there was nowhere for her to go, and when the lights went green she ploughed forward, if i hadn't braked we would have collided. Maybe i should have, she was obviously in the wrong, might have taught her a lesson!

I have an L plate on cos my son is learning to drive so i think she thought she wasn't being upstaged by a learner driver!!

Iwannahurl

Rainbow Kitty wrote: »

First exit and straight through the roundabout you approach in the left lane, third and subsequent exits approaches in the right lane.

Before this thread is locked/merged, can I ask you (a) where you learned the First/Second/Third & Subsequent Exit rule, and (b) whether you can point to any written source for it?

I'd like to see it written down somewhere.

giant_midget

Rainbow Kitty wrote: »

Whether she posts here or not is irrelevant, i was venting which is allowed (no?).

This roundabout is the one before the turn into the Baldoyle industrial estate, i was coming from clarehall heading for the ind est, anybody going right to Donaghmede stayed in the right lane, anyone turning left or going straight uses the left lane so i know she was wrong. (She was in the right lane)

Weirdken: she saw me alright, although she didn't look at me but she definitely heard me.

We had stopped for the traffic light after the roundabout and she came off the roundabout on my outside and kept inching forward even though there was nowhere for her to go, and when the lights went green she ploughed forward, if i hadn't braked we would have collided. Maybe i should have, she was obviously in the wrong, might have taught her a lesson!

I have an L plate on cos my son is learning to drive so i think she thought she wasn't being upstaged by a learner driver!!

**shakes fist *** thick bloody women :mad: :pac:

fryup

Rainbow Kitty wrote: »

I'm so annoyed over this, when i was learning to drive it was drilled into me what lane to use. Some people just don't care what they do on the roads!

are learner drivers tutored on roundabouts??

cause years ago i didn't get any tution on them and i confess as a young driver i was clueless when it came to roundabouts completely ignorant to what lane i should be in

GoodisonPark

The "first and second exit - left lane , third & subsequent exits right lane" thing is only advisory , no rules about it whatsoever.
Actually there's nothing stopping me entering on the left lane and driving around the roundabout all day in it. A bit like the Fr. Ted milk-float episode.

beazee

Rainbow Kitty wrote: »

First exit and straight through the roundabout you approach in the left lane

Unless road markings say different.

RootX

Iwannahurl wrote: »

Before this thread is locked/merged, can I ask you (b) whether you can point to any written source for it?

I'd like to see it written down somewhere.

http://www.rulesoftheroad.ie/rules-for-driving/junctions-roundabouts/roundabouts.html

Unless I didn't understand your question

fryup wrote: »

are learner drivers tutored on roundabouts??

It's now part of the EDT lessons.

LordSutch

Rainbow Kitty wrote: »

Can i just say to the woman driving the 07 Suzuki Jimmy who nearly side swiped me coming off the roundabout this morning 'you were in the wrong lane'. Do you know the rules of the road at all?????

First exit and straight through the roundabout you approach in the left lane, third and subsequent exits approaches in the right lane.

So thanks for nearly hitting me.

Oh and another thing i'm reporting you for dangerous driving.

I'm so annoyed over this, when i was learning to drive it was drilled into me what lane to use. Some people just don't care what they do on the roads!

Would be nice to see either a picture or a sketch of that ^ particular roundabout.

Talking of roundabouts, if anybody is familiar with Shankill in South Dublin you will know the mini roundabout just past the village going south towards Bray. This roundabout seems to give rise to indecisiveness & confusion more than many a roundabout twice the size )

I go through this 'mini' roundabout several times a week, and it never ceases to amaze me the confusion it causes to some other drivers. Many approach it with the intention of going straight through, but they indicate left as they approach, then they indicate right as they exit while going straight! (pedestrians beware), some indicate left as they go straight through, others indicate right and go straight through, some dont indicate at all, and some just then turn left or right without indicating at all. Its a piddly little roundabout which the buses only just squeeze past, but for drivers and pedestrians alike it seems to cause total confusion for some . . . . .

Personally when I drive straight through that tiny roundabout on the way to Bray I don't indicate at all, and if I do happen to turn left or right I will indicate well in advance.

Iwannahurl

RootX wrote: »

http://www.rulesoftheroad.ie/rules-for-driving/junctions-roundabouts/roundabouts.html

Unless I didn't understand your question

You didn't.

This is a recurring theme on Boards/Motors, and there's a particular thread somewhere in this forum that discusses the subject at great length.

You linked to the RoTR, but can you quote the exact text that specifically uses the term "Third and subsequent"?

SlightlyRandom

That roundabout has a bus lane until about 20 yards before the roundabout which can make getting into the left lane tricky when it's busy. There are two lanes at the exit, but they almost immediately merge. Many drivers have no idea how to use roundabouts, but stupid planning like that doesn't help. The bus lane really needs to end as soon as the roundabout is signed. After all, you are supposed to get into lane as early as you can rather than trying to push in at the last minute.

Unfortunately, the only option at most roundabouts (and roads in general) is to assume every else is trying to crash into you and make it your business to ensure they don't!

RootX

Iwannahurl wrote: »

You didn't.

This is a recurring theme on Boards/Motors, and there's a particular thread somewhere in this forum that discusses the subject at great length.

You linked to the RoTR, but can you quote the exact text that specifically uses the terms "First" and "Third and subsequent"?

Qood question, from the RoTR the only text that comes close, I believe, is:

On or leaving the roundabout

Unless road signs or road markings indicate otherwise, follow the steps below, when taking the first exit, going straight ahead or taking later exits off a roundabout.

DBK

Going straight ahead:
Approach in the left-hand lane but do not signal yet.
Signal left after you have passed the exit before the one you want.
You may follow the course shown in the illustration by the broken red line in situations where: ◦ the left-hand lane is only for turning left or is blocked or closed, or
◦ when directed by a Garda.


Going straight ahead
Stay in the left-hand lane, but do not indicate "left" until you have passed the first exit. Where conditions dictate otherwise, you may follow the course shown by the broken red line.

Iwannahurl

RootX wrote: »

Qood question, from the RoTR the only text that comes close, I believe, is:

Roundabout threads threads go round and round.

The "third and subsequent exits" rule is obsolete, but it still persists. That's why I was interested in knowing the OP's source.

Here are two Motors threads on the subject:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056163797

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056663225

Andy Magic

This happens to me so much that I've simply given up caring.. I used to get so mad but then one day an elderly woman in a punto did it to me in front of the guards and they did nothing, so I have now given up all hope and concentrate on avoiding these idiots instead, I've stopped beeping at them too because it seemed to annoy me more than it did them..

That incident happened in Mullingar at the hospital roundabout which is clearly road marked and marked correctly also. I truly feel that an awful lot of people in this country think if there not speeding while driving they are doing nothing wrong.

DBK

I think at the end of the day you might be better off thinking about the person to the right of you may be in the wrong lane (either because they don't know the rules or they don't care about the rules) so just keep an eye on them and be safe. Best to avoid an accident if possible.

ofcork

They probably would be better off marking all roundabouts,at least it might clear up some confusion.

TheChizler

Iwannahurl wrote: »

RootX wrote: »

http://www.rulesoftheroad.ie/rules-for-driving/junctions-roundabouts/roundabouts.html

Unless I didn't understand your question

You didn't.

This is a recurring theme on Boards/Motors, and there's a particular thread somewhere in this forum that discusses the subject at great length.

You linked to the RoTR, but can you quote the exact text that specifically uses the term "Third and subsequent"?

It says "taking later exits" after explaining second so unless you're nitpicking that would cover it.

This is the situation for the default roundabout, and is what you should expect until markings say different.

TheChizler

We need more spiral roundabouts, a la page 14 of this document: [LINK]http://www.dft.gov.uk/ha/standards/dmrb/vol6/section2/ta7897.pdf[/LINK]

You enter and join a lane, and that lane brings you to your desired lane without having to ever change lanes and merge.

mooonpie

TheChizler wrote: »

It says "taking later exits" after explaining second so unless you're nitpicking that would cover it.

This is the situation for the default roundabout, and is what you should expect until markings say different.

Actually, it says "taking later exits" after explaining straight through, there's no mention of second. You could have multiple exits between the first and straight through, or you may have none.

I think the point Iwannahurl is making is that the number of exits is irrelevant, it's their position on the roundabout. So anything up to and including straight through use the left lane, anything after straight through use the right lane.

For example, let's say we take the usual 4 road roundabout and modify it slightly so that the 2nd exit is to the right of straight through, one should now approach the 2nd exit from the right lane - that'd mean the 1st and 2nd in the left lane rule is now incorrect.

Yes it's nitpicking in that most roundabouts are 4 roads intersecting at 90 degrees, but not all are. Using 2nd exit to refer to straight through is the issue at these 'unusual' roundabouts.

Now if you really want nitpicking, at what point does straight through become after straight through (and therefore use the right lane instead of the left)? 181 degrees? A bit later? That is definitely nitpicking

This also opens up the question of what to do if all the exits are to the right of straight through? Should there even be a left lane? Or does the 1st exit rule (also referred to as turning left in the RotR) trump the after straight through rule?

Anyhu, sorry for dragging off topic and sorry to Iwannahurl if I'm misunderstanding them

Voodoomelon

Bad practice to dictate which lane to take by the number of exits. Use the 12 o clock rule as confirmed by the RSA this time last year and you won't go wrong.

alias no.9

TheChizler wrote: »

We need more spiral roundabouts, a la page 14 of this document: [LINK]http://www.dft.gov.uk/ha/standards/dmrb/vol6/section2/ta7897.pdf[/LINK]

You enter and join a lane, and that lane brings you to your desired lane without having to ever change lanes and merge.

You overestimate the ability of Irish drivers to
a. know which lane they need to be in
b. get in that lane before entering the roundabout
c. follow the lane through to their desired exit
Other than that, it's a perfect solution.

Iwannahurl

The number-of-exits rule is obsolete -- and ambiguous IMO -- and it has been replaced by the clock method, as described in the new RSA guide.

Here's hoping the next edition of the RoTR, whenever that's due, solely and explicitly refers to the clock method.

TheChizler

alias no.9 wrote: »

You overestimate the ability of Irish drivers to
a. know which lane they need to be in
b. get in that lane before entering the roundabout
c. follow the lane through to their desired exit
Other than that, it's a perfect solution.

Good point(s). However it would solve the problem where on concentric roundabouts you are in the correct lane, which says "Road X Only", then turns into "Road Y Only" without any warning and you suddenly have to change lanes and merge left. This problem exists for people who do get into the correct lane in advance, but are thrown off by disappearing lanes.